Anderson v Okine

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 01 Oct 2005, 12:59

Just briefly on the subject of Okine, he was a tough guy very durable but limited. Barnes was coasting against him Boxing from the outside early on and it as only when Okine hurt his man and Barnes just totally panicked and went into weird mode that things fell apart. Up until that point Barnes was in the full control and Okine looked laboured, good win all the same for Anderson don't get me wrong but that is my observation of watching the Ghanaian.

As for Anderson i can't see him going anywhere near Nuumbembe and i can't blame him, too little reward for a tough assignment. I expect him to defend his Commonwealth title a couple of times, another strong African in a 12 rounder would be a good learning experience.

chado · Post by **chado** » 01 Oct 2005, 13:09

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
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Your getting ahead of yourself, Chad my old son. Unfortunately for you, there aren't as many people around as daft as Neil Fannan who let you bring Ali to Hartlepool to beat up on (then unbeaten) Francis Jones!

Ali is in the British top five of the 'Who needs him?' club.

Anderson is still learning the game. If I was Tommy Gilmour, I wouldn't let him anywhere near the Silent Assassin. It's a compliment I'm paying, but one you probably would prefer not to hear.

Ali holds a British Boxing Licence, he is ranked number 5 in Britain by boxing news, so anyone below number 5 surely would want to fight him to improve their ranking?
He can also fight for The Commonwealth Title. (Which in my opinion is a bloody good Title.)

I thought boxing was all about how good you were?

Ali fought Francis Jones and they thought Franny was gonna paste Ali.

The same goes for when Ali fought Barnes, he was suppose to be a punch bag for the night.

On both occasions it did not quite work out as planned.

I think there are 2 ways of looking at it,

Yes, as you say: He is in the top 5 of the 'who needs him' club

But he is also in the top 5 of 'Atleast he will have a go' club.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 01 Oct 2005, 13:28

First look at Anderson and I thought he looked the real McCoy. At the very least, a fighter who can go far. He's a bit raw, but no surprise there, seeing as he hasn't had too many fights.

I thought they'd overmatched him here to be honest: going up against a tough seasoned African, who'd handled Barnes so easily, seemed too big an ask for a young prospect....but he really surprised me and showed real determination, toughness and mental strength to come through that. Plus a very good chin too.
He'll come away a much better fighter as a result, and he got the right result too. As long as they don't get too ambitious, and move him well, he can become a bit of a star I think...

JimmyJamJerusalem · Post by **JimmyJamJerusalem** » 01 Oct 2005, 14:12

It was a close fight, but I reckon Okine was hard done by. He won that fight!!

My T Sharp · Post by **My T Sharp** » 01 Oct 2005, 14:46

Well that's £50 quid done then...hopefully Tarver will win it back for me

Can't really argue with the decision, a draw would have probably been fair but home advantage is normally worth a couple of rounds in a close fight.

I thought Anderson did very well, considering it was his first 12 rounder. He's got to sort out the head movement though if he wants to step up again, he was very open to the left hook near the end.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 01 Oct 2005, 14:57

chado wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
chado wrote:[quote="states

Your getting ahead of yourself, Chad my old son. Unfortunately for you, there aren't as many people around as daft as Neil Fannan who let you bring Ali to Hartlepool to beat up on (then unbeaten) Francis Jones!

Ali is in the British top five of the 'Who needs him?' club.

Anderson is still learning the game. If I was Tommy Gilmour, I wouldn't let him anywhere near the Silent Assassin. It's a compliment I'm paying, but one you probably would prefer not to hear.
Ali holds a British Boxing Licence, he is ranked number 5 in Britain by boxing news, so anyone below number 5 surely would want to fight him to improve their ranking?
He can also fight for The Commonwealth Title. (Which in my opinion is a bloody good Title.)

I thought boxing was all about how good you were?

Ali fought Francis Jones and they thought Franny was gonna paste Ali.

The same goes for when Ali fought Barnes, he was suppose to be a punch bag for the night.

On both occasions it did not quite work out as planned.

I think there are 2 ways of looking at it,

Yes, as you say: He is in the top 5 of the 'who needs him' club

But he is also in the top 5 of 'Atleast he will have a go' club.

Totally agree, Chad. At the last minute I tried to stick a good few quid on Ali to do Barnes at very favourable odds. But despite the fight not having started, the online bookies had closed it off as it had passed its allotted time. The draw came to my rescue.

Ali is one of the best out there and old school in his attitude. I'm one of his biggest fans. This sport on the business side is a load of shite and works against the likes of Ali.

I keep meaning to pop over the hill and visit you in Glossop but never seem to get round to it...

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 01 Oct 2005, 14:59

MightyWarrior wrote:First look at Anderson and I thought he looked the real McCoy. At the very least, a fighter who can go far. He's a bit raw, but no surprise there, seeing as he hasn't had too many fights.

I thought they'd overmatched him here to be honest: going up against a tough seasoned African, who'd handled Barnes so easily, seemed too big an ask for a young prospect....but he really surprised me and showed real determination, toughness and mental strength to come through that. Plus a very good chin too.
He'll come away a much better fighter as a result, and he got the right result too. As long as they don't get too ambitious, and move him well, he can become a bit of a star I think...

Agreed. I'd seen him a few times before last night. I think he can bang too, which is always a big help. I was really impressed with the maturity beyond his years.

chado · Post by **chado** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:34

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:
chado wrote:
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Your very welcome.

Granada Television are here on Monday filming for a doccumentary about Ali, which is to be screened early next year.

The story is a good one and has a similar feel to the 'cool runnings' movie.

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:39

For all of the guys who said Anderson would get pumped, ha ha ha get it right up you. He won the fight by 2 rounds, no question. And what is all this "lets see if he has the balls to fight Numeenbe" Anderson would fight anyone, after all he just took on a tricky southpaw who murdered the golden boy David Barnes. It obviously sticks in the throats of some of you guys south of the border, if Anderson was an English guy you wouldn't be coming out with half of your pish. Well done Kev, enjoy your holiday mate you deserve it.

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:39

i will be down on monday then

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:46

b_hammersley wrote:For all of the guys who said Anderson would get pumped, ha ha ha get it right up you. He won the fight by 2 rounds, no question. And what is all this "lets see if he has the balls to fight Numeenbe" Anderson would fight anyone, after all he just took on a tricky southpaw who murdered the golden boy David Barnes. It obviously sticks in the throats of some of you guys south of the border, if Anderson was an English guy you wouldn't be coming out with half of your pish. Well done Kev, enjoy your holiday mate you deserve it.

I'm sure Anderson would fight anyone. However, after that tough step up, don't you think he deserves an easier night?

I don't think anybody on here, south of the border or not, has anything against Anderson. Almost everybody on this thread has praised him and wishes him well.

Must be difficult making it to the keyboard with that massive chip you've got on your shoulder, Braveheart.

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:50

Braveheart? chip on my shoulder, what are you talking about?? Aye very good pal. I'm sticking up for the wee man cause whenever one of our boys do something good it rarely gets the recognision it deserves.

chado · Post by **chado** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:54

REAL_DEAL wrote:i will be down on monday then

You around Monday chris?

chado · Post by **chado** » 02 Oct 2005, 05:56

b_hammersley wrote:For all of the guys who said Anderson would get pumped, ha ha ha get it right up you. He won the fight by 2 rounds, no question. And what is all this "lets see if he has the balls to fight Numeenbe" Anderson would fight anyone, after all he just took on a tricky southpaw who murdered the golden boy David Barnes. It obviously sticks in the throats of some of you guys south of the border, if Anderson was an English guy you wouldn't be coming out with half of your pish. Well done Kev, enjoy your holiday mate you deserve it.

Well lets see if he has the balls to fight Ali????????????

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:00

b_hammersley wrote:Braveheart? chip on my shoulder, what are you talking about?? Aye very good pal. I'm sticking up for the wee man cause whenever one of our boys do something good it rarely gets the recognision it deserves.

What am I talking about? You wrote: "It obviously sticks in the throats of some of you guys south of the border, if Anderson was an English guy you wouldn't be coming out with half of your pish."

This is what I'm talking about.

Go and find one post on this thread to support your ridiculously jaundiced view.

Well done Kevin Anderson from your Sassenach army!!!

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:02

Sorry to burst your bubble mate but I would think Anderson probably has bigger fish to fry.

chado · Post by **chado** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:04

b_hammersley wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble mate but I would think Anderson probably has bigger fish to fry.

Yep, Just as I thought. Shitting out already.

Ya can run but cannot hide

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:08

chado wrote:
REAL_DEAL wrote:i will be down on monday then
You around Monday chris?

no sadly not

send some fizzy pop through the post

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:08

Well, I've obviously hit a raw nerve somewhere in your body. I'm talking about posts that I've seen on the boxrec site since Anderson started out, not this link. I know Kevs got support from you guys but obviously not all, so my post post was to them hence the "ha ha ha" part. As the guy says on the telly "Calm yourself down dear, its only a commercial"

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:11

Aye Chaddo, your SOOOO right, I'm shitting myself ha ha ha ha, best laugh I've had all weekend.

chado · Post by **chado** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:32

b_hammersley wrote:Aye Chaddo, your SOOOO right, I'm shitting myself ha ha ha ha, best laugh I've had all weekend.

'SOOOO' is that Scottish for so???

Here are a few pointers.

Ali had a good 12 round fight with Barnes (Which I felt Ali won)

Barnes boxed Okine too soon after his fight with Ali,( 4 weeks) he had not recovered and regrouped properly.

Okine could not have fought Barnes at a better time.

Okine would normally get hammered by Barnes.

The win against Barnes and the way it was won made Okine look better than what he is.

Anderson had a very close fight with Okine (I had Okine as the winner)

Anderson is not as good as Barnes

If it was not for Ali doing so well against Barnes, Anderson would not be Champion now.

Ali deserves his shot at The Commonwealth Title.

Nothing against Kevin Anderson, I think he is a great lad, but this is boxing and its a horrible business.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 02 Oct 2005, 06:51

b_hammersley wrote:Well, I've obviously hit a raw nerve somewhere in your body. I'm talking about posts that I've seen on the boxrec site since Anderson started out, not this link. I know Kevs got support from you guys but obviously not all, so my post post was to them hence the "ha ha ha" part. As the guy says on the telly "Calm yourself down dear, its only a commercial"

I think the lad can go far. I'll have to ring him and do a piece on him.

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 07:11

Good idea Ian, do a piece on him, I agree he will go far

Chaddo, the "SOOO" part was due to the fact I was laughing so much at your comments. You're an Ali fan, fair enough, you think he'd beat Anderson, I think Anderson would have too much for him so we'll just need to agree to disagree. As for Anderson not being as good as Barnes, who's the Commonwealth Champ, sorry can't remember maybe you could remind me

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 02 Oct 2005, 08:50

b_hammersley your comments are strange seen as most people on this thread have praised Anderson, perhaps you are upset by some of the statements that he should keep it slow and the career is a learning process. It was a good win over Okine but he needs to keep improving and no one on here as has said anything bad about him from what i have seen we are all chuffed for him. I think you are getting a bit excited over your fellow Scottish prospect and having a go at us English folk for the sake of it.

b_hammersley · Post by **b_hammersley** » 02 Oct 2005, 11:02

Steve, don't know if you read my last reply, I wasn't talking about the guys on this thread but previous stuff that was written about Anderson, especially earlier on in his career, a lot of negative stuff. My initial post was to all of those guys, especially the guy who said and I quote "Andersons just another overhyped sweaty sock". Just to put it to rest, I've not got any kind of problem with England/English guys or anything to do with England. Even though you raped and pilaged our land for hundreds of years,

sorry mate couldn't resist having a wee laugh there. Boxrec, keep up the good work, excellent boxing site.