Ezzard Charles Record Discrepancy
Ezzard Charles Record Discrepancy
The record of Ezzard Charles is listed at 87-25-1 (49 KOs). By reading the entry on Charles, I can see you think each and every fight should have a verifiable news source so you can make sure the fight happened, but it is not conceivable to use this research method for fights happening prior to the 1970s. For one, most of these people involved in the fights before this time are now dead and not available for comment (which would make it impossible to find out whether or not a fight was fabricated to pad Charles' record), and also happened prior to the "information age" where the Internet and cable television made news a verifiable thing capable of being cross referenced easily. Just because you can't find an article covering a fight in a newspaper did not mean a fight did not happen, given that if a newspaper was not aware of the card happening or did not send someone to report it (or just did not consider it newsworthy), they wouldn't publish anything. I think for this reason, the record of Ezzard Charles should be listed as it is historically remembered (96-25-1, 58 KOs), and not by some research that quite possibly could be incorrect.
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The record that has been listed throughout the years is incorrect and as current newspaper research proves many bouts in fact did not happen so the record is currently being corrected from the errors that have for many years been passed incorrectly down from one to another. Of course it now drops Charles out of my "fighters with 50+ knockouts" in their career list, and rightly so, but no way should anyone list it as it use to be just because it use to be...it's wrong!
In going by what you are stating, most of the older records found on Boxrec should not be listed. Many bouts from the "golden age" (Pre-1960) cannot be fully verified via newspaper or other news sources. Ezzard Charles' record of 96-25-1 (58 KOs) has been the accepted truthful record, and one also accepted by FightFax (the official record keepers).
Also, going by what Boxrec is doing now by verifying with the Commissions (which I agree with), how can any fight not verified with a state boxing commission be listed then, if I were to use your arguement. Fights can be accepted without full verification and should be UNLESS factual evidence can be provided and defended that would prove otherwise.
Heresay from one person and not a direct source cannot be justified or utilized if Boxrec should choose to keep the most accurate records.
Also, going by what Boxrec is doing now by verifying with the Commissions (which I agree with), how can any fight not verified with a state boxing commission be listed then, if I were to use your arguement. Fights can be accepted without full verification and should be UNLESS factual evidence can be provided and defended that would prove otherwise.
Heresay from one person and not a direct source cannot be justified or utilized if Boxrec should choose to keep the most accurate records.
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The biggest percentage of older results being entered into the database are directly from newspaper accounts, either microfilm, or online newspaper archives. The old records in fight fax books are so incorrect that it's not even funny and I would be willing to bet mucho dollars that maybe 5% of pre-1950 records in fax are correct. You seem to be very, very clueless to the term of newspaper research.
As to your statement "cannot be fully verified via newspaper or other news sources" I don't know what in the hell you are trying to get at there, but here's a little sample of actual newspaper research that I have done...which there have been years upon year upon years of the exact same kind of research done by many boxing historians, so as to what you are trying to claim...I have no idea, but there is no validity to it. Below is January 1898 results from a few various 1898 newspapers that I have persoanlly researched and bout that I have personally verified, which I have the rest of the year, but I'm just presenting a sample, although the format is different than in word...I have files of results from 1895 thru 1950 of nothing but newspaper results and the Ezzard Charles record, well the fellow who is researching it now is using newspapers. I've done a lot of research on Charles myself using nothing but newspapers!
1898 Brooklyn Daily Eagle Boxing Results
Compiled by Barry Deskins
SOURCES
BDE= Brooklyn Daily Eagle
TAC= The Atlanta Constitution
TET= Trenton Evening Times
TT= The Trenton Times
BDG= Boston Daily Globe (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
BSU=Brooklyn Standard Union (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
PI- Philadelphia Item (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
CT= Chicago Tribune (Results compiled by Fred Simmerlein)
FWN= Fort Wayne News
TSS= The Sandusky Star (Ohio)
TAC= The Atlanta Constitution
NDN= Naugatuck Daily News
PNC= Philadelphia Newspaper Clip
TAR= The Arizona Republican
FWR= Fresno Weekly Republican
WDD= Woodland Daily Democrat
MDA= Middletown Daily Argus
DDR= Decatur Daily Review (Decatur, IL)
DNO= Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, WI)
DDL= Davenport Daily Leader (Davenport, IA)
LNSJ=Nebraska State Journal (Lincoln, NE)
SHS= Steubenville Herald Star (Steubenville, OH)
Saturday, January 1
--In Rochester, NY (Rienzi AC) on Jan. 1:
Mike Leonard, New York [D 20] Johnny Laughlin, Buffalo (TET)
Midget Patterson, Rochester [D 10] Eddie Daly, Baltimore (TET)
--In Marysville, CA on Jan. 2:
Theodore Vanbuskirk [W 8] Joe Goddard, Australia (TET)
--In Milwaukee, WI on Jan. 1:
Jake Magmer [W 4] Harry Fails (CT)
Sunday, January 2
--
Monday, January 3
--In Baltimore, MD (Eureka AC) on Jan. 3:
Joe Gans, Baltimore [TKO 2] Billy Young (TET)
--In New York, NY (Greenpoint SC) on Jan. 3:
Austin Rice, New London [KO 3] Jack Burke, New York (BDE)
Johnny Martin [TKO 1] Joe Burke (BDE)
--Time: (2:50)
Max Kane [KO 3] Charlie Hildt (BDE)
--In (Oshkosh, WI?) (Pabst Exchange) on Jan. 3:
Scherck [W 4] Hanes (DNO)
Dolan [D 5] Thom (DNO)
Tuesday, January 4
--In Chester, PA (Tuxedo AC; Opera House) on Jan. 4:
Harry Smith [W 6] Kentucky Rosebud (TET)
Eddie Lenny [D 4] “Midget” McGlynn, Wilmington (TET)
Traub, Chester [W --] Jack Ward, Wilmington (TET)
Wednesday, January 5
--
Thursday, January 6
--
Friday, January 7
--
Saturday, January 8
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 8:
Billy Stift, Chicago [TKO 2] Con Doyle (TET)
Frank Childs [W 6] John “Klondike” Haynes (CT)
Barney McCall [D 5] Harry Forbes (CT)
--Probably D 6; five-rounders came later
Sunday, January 9
--
Monday, January 10
--In Athens, PA (Olympic AC) on Jan. 10:
Young Mahoney, Manyunk [W (12?)] Crockey Boyle, Germantown (TET)
Danny Dougherty [D 15] Steve Flannigan (BDE)
--In Louisville, KY on Jan. 10:
Kid McCoy [KO 4] James “Doc” Payne (TET)
Tuesday, January 11
--In Wheeling, WVA (Metropolitan AC) on Jan. 11:
Oscar Gardner, Omaha [W (KO?) 21] Eugene Bezenah, Cincinnati (BDE)
Nick Burley [W 10] Professor Donaldson (BDG)
--In Trenton, NJ (Palace SC) on Jan. 11:
Casper Leon, New York [D 15] Jack Ward, Newark (TET)
Patsy Corrigan, Trenton [W 6] Dave O’Connor, Paterson (TET)
--BSU lists Dave O’Connell.
Jack Waldron, Trenton [D 6] Joe Cain, Brooklyn (TET)
Wednesday, January 12
--In Vallejo, CA on Jan. 12:
Young Griffo, Australia [W 15] Billy Lewis (TET)
--In New Haven, CT (Hyperion Theater: Franklin AC) on Jan. 11:
George Monroe [W PTS --] Jack Ward, Newark (BDE)
Charlie Kelly-125, New York [TKO 3] Jim Canfield-125, Philadelphia (BDE)
Dan Murphy, Waterbury [W 4] Jack Coston, New Haven (BDE)
--January 12th issue of the Fort Wayne News has a list of ring deaths from 1832 to current time.
Thursday, January 13
--In Pittsburgh, PA on Jan. 13:
Jack McClelland [TKO 9] James Kennard (BDG)
Friday, January 14
--In Philadelphia, PA (Arena AC) on Jan. 14:
Jack O’Brien [vs] Isadore Strauss --
--In Cincinnati, OH on Jan. 14:
Larry McDonald-148 [KO 9] George Campbell-155 (BDG)
--In Fort Wayne, IN (Fort Wayne AC) on Jan. 14:
Johnny Cramer vs Andrew Yates
Saturday, January 15
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 15:
Jack Bonner, Summit Hill [TKO 3] “Australian” Billy Smith (CT)
George Kerwin [WF 6] Jimmy Murphy (CT)
Young Sprague [TKO 3] Johnny Ritchie (CT)
Harry Forbes [TKO 2] Tom Cooney (CT)
--In Wilkes-Barre, PA on Jan. 15:
Paddy Sheehan [W 4] Bobby Dobbs (BDG)
Sunday, January 16
--
Monday, January 17
--In Trenton, NJ (Active AC: Turner Hall) on Jan. 17:
Jack Waldron, Trenton [W 20] Young Sykes (TET)
Patsy Corrigan [-- 3] Kid Henry (TET)
Tom Slater [-- 3] Billy Bulow (TET)
Professor Murray [-- 3] Johnny O’Donovan (TET)
John Cannon [D 4] Billy Anderson (TET)
Spider Kelley [-- 3] Johnny Hagen (TET)
--In Pittsburgh, PA (Allegheny AC) on Jan. 17:
Elwood McCloskey, Philadelphia [W 4] Yock Henninger, Pittsburgh (TET)
--In Cleveland, OH on Jan. 17:
Joe Gans, Baltimore [TKO 15] Frank Garrard (TET)
Jim Janey [KO 1] Tom Kelly, Hoboken (BDE)
Tuesday, January 18
--In Reading, PA on Jan. 18:
Jack O’Brien, Philadelphia [W (TKO) 6] Paddy Sheehan, South Bethlehem (TET)
--Most sources list the results as “W 6” for O’Brien, but the article states that the last round was cut short one minute to save Sheehan from being knocked out, so should this be a “TKO” win for O’Brien.
--In Troy, NY (Manhattan AC) on Jan. 18:
Charley Goff, San Francisco [W 20] Tom “Stockings” Conroy (TET)
--In Bridgeport, CT on Jan. 18:
George Siddons [W 10] Walter Burgo (BSU)
Wednesday, January 19
--In Fort Wayne, IN (Jackson’s Hall) on Jan. 19:
Kid Cramer [D 6] Bickness (FWN)
--This match was one of the events for a benefit given for wrestler, Joe Acton.
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 19:
Billy Stift, Chicago [TKO 3] F.A. Brown (CT)
--Stift outweighed Brown by around 30 pounds.
Thursday, January 20
--In Waterbury, CT (Auditorium) on Jan. 20:
Tommy West, New York [D 20] Dan Murphy, Waterbury (BDE)
Charley Kelly [KO 1] Willie Barrett, New York (BDE)
--Time: (2:22)
Jack O’Brien, New York [W 10] Jack Hannigan, Pittsburgh (BDE)
--In McKeesport, PA on Jan. 20:
Jack McClelland, Pittsburgh [KO 4] Mike Tunney, Pittsburgh (BDE)
--In New London, CT (Gymnasium) on Jan. 20:
George Bolles [W 8] Fred White (BDE)
Jack Lawler-128 [KO 11] Timothy Carroll-128 (BDE)
--Time: (1:10)
Friday, January 21
--In Portland, OR on Jan. 21:
Dick Case [TKO 2] Billy Elmer (CT)
Saturday, January 22
--In Hot Springs, AR on Jan. 22:
Jack Ehrhart [KO 6] Eddie Donnelly (LNSJ)
--Jack Everhardt?
Sunday, January 23
--
Monday, January 24
--In Trenton, NJ (Palace SC) on Jan. 24:
Bobby Dobbs [TKO 7] Jack Fox (TET)
Kid Murphy, Cincinnati [D --] Tim McDermott, Trenton (TET)
Jack Waldron, Trenton [W 6] Eddie Hayes, New York (TET)
--In Baltimore, MD (Eureka AC) on Jan. 24:
Gus Ruhlin-190, Akron [TKO 2] Wolf Bendoff-190, England (TET)
--In Wheeling, WVA (Beobout Club) on Jan. 24:
Joe Bruner, Cincinnati [KO 9] Al Ducose (BDE)
--In Milwaukee, WI on Jan. 24:
Jake “Joe” Magmer [TKO 3] Dick Green (CT)
George Ryan [D 8] Jack Hammond (BDG)
Tuesday, January 25
--In Rochester, NY (Rienzi AC) on Jan. 25:
Jack Bonner, Summit Hill [D 19] Tom McCarthy (BDE)
Doc Kennedy, Rochester [W (KO?) 3] Bobby Morrison, Duluth (BDE)
--In McKeesport, PA on Jan. 25:
Jack Kinlaw [W 10] Jim Kennard (BDG)
--In Wheeling, WV (Bridgeport AC) on Jan. 25:
Buck Stelzer, Columbus [D 20] Mike Farragher, Youngstown (SHS)
Wednesday, January 26
--
Thursday, January 27
--
Friday, January 28
--In Niagara Falls, NY (Power City AC) on Jan. 28:
Kid McPartland [TKO 10] Harry Lemons, Niagara Falls (BDE)
--In Philadelphia, PA (Arena AC) on Jan. 28:
Charley Johnson [W DQ 1] “Mysterious” Billy Smith (BDE)
Tim Callahan,Camden [W 6] Cal McCarthy, Philadelphia (TET)
--In Birmingham, England (Olympic AC) on Jan. 28:
Charley Simpson, England [KO 14] Joe Elms, Boston (Colored) (TET)
--Brooklyn Daily Eagle and Boston Daily Globe list “Johnny Simpson.”
--In Louisville, KY (Kentucky AC) on Jan. 28:
Jim Watts, Louisville [D 10] Louis Slecker (BDE)
--Watts landed three successive uppercuts and with the feeling that a knockout was imminent, police stopped the bout and the referee declared it a “draw.”
Saturday, January 29
--In Chicago, IL (Chicago AA) on Jan. 29:
Frank Childs [TKO 2] Bob Armstrong (TET)
George Kerwin [KO 1] Curly McHale (BDG)
Shorty Ahearn [D 6] Jim Dewar (BDG)
John Ritchie [W 3] Reddy Dwyer-115 (CT)
John Ritchie [W 6] Harry Forbes-115 (CT)
--In Philadelphia, PA (Nonpareil AC) on Jan. 29:
Joe Bernstein, New York [ND-- 6] Joe Fairburn (TET)
Dan McConnell [ND-W 6] Kid Murphy, Cincinnati (TET)
Sunday, January 30
--
Monday, January 31
--In Trenton, NJ (Trenton AC) on Jan. 31:
Dan McConnell, Camden [WF 7] Matty Matthews, New York (TET)
Moore [D 4] Farley (TET)
Harry Bell-125 [D 4] “Blacksmith” Smith-125 (TET)
--In Lynn, MA on Jan. 31:
Mike Sears-125 [W 12] Jack Frazier-125 (BDG)
As to your statement "cannot be fully verified via newspaper or other news sources" I don't know what in the hell you are trying to get at there, but here's a little sample of actual newspaper research that I have done...which there have been years upon year upon years of the exact same kind of research done by many boxing historians, so as to what you are trying to claim...I have no idea, but there is no validity to it. Below is January 1898 results from a few various 1898 newspapers that I have persoanlly researched and bout that I have personally verified, which I have the rest of the year, but I'm just presenting a sample, although the format is different than in word...I have files of results from 1895 thru 1950 of nothing but newspaper results and the Ezzard Charles record, well the fellow who is researching it now is using newspapers. I've done a lot of research on Charles myself using nothing but newspapers!
1898 Brooklyn Daily Eagle Boxing Results
Compiled by Barry Deskins
SOURCES
BDE= Brooklyn Daily Eagle
TAC= The Atlanta Constitution
TET= Trenton Evening Times
TT= The Trenton Times
BDG= Boston Daily Globe (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
BSU=Brooklyn Standard Union (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
PI- Philadelphia Item (Courtesy of Luckett Davis)
CT= Chicago Tribune (Results compiled by Fred Simmerlein)
FWN= Fort Wayne News
TSS= The Sandusky Star (Ohio)
TAC= The Atlanta Constitution
NDN= Naugatuck Daily News
PNC= Philadelphia Newspaper Clip
TAR= The Arizona Republican
FWR= Fresno Weekly Republican
WDD= Woodland Daily Democrat
MDA= Middletown Daily Argus
DDR= Decatur Daily Review (Decatur, IL)
DNO= Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, WI)
DDL= Davenport Daily Leader (Davenport, IA)
LNSJ=Nebraska State Journal (Lincoln, NE)
SHS= Steubenville Herald Star (Steubenville, OH)
Saturday, January 1
--In Rochester, NY (Rienzi AC) on Jan. 1:
Mike Leonard, New York [D 20] Johnny Laughlin, Buffalo (TET)
Midget Patterson, Rochester [D 10] Eddie Daly, Baltimore (TET)
--In Marysville, CA on Jan. 2:
Theodore Vanbuskirk [W 8] Joe Goddard, Australia (TET)
--In Milwaukee, WI on Jan. 1:
Jake Magmer [W 4] Harry Fails (CT)
Sunday, January 2
--
Monday, January 3
--In Baltimore, MD (Eureka AC) on Jan. 3:
Joe Gans, Baltimore [TKO 2] Billy Young (TET)
--In New York, NY (Greenpoint SC) on Jan. 3:
Austin Rice, New London [KO 3] Jack Burke, New York (BDE)
Johnny Martin [TKO 1] Joe Burke (BDE)
--Time: (2:50)
Max Kane [KO 3] Charlie Hildt (BDE)
--In (Oshkosh, WI?) (Pabst Exchange) on Jan. 3:
Scherck [W 4] Hanes (DNO)
Dolan [D 5] Thom (DNO)
Tuesday, January 4
--In Chester, PA (Tuxedo AC; Opera House) on Jan. 4:
Harry Smith [W 6] Kentucky Rosebud (TET)
Eddie Lenny [D 4] “Midget” McGlynn, Wilmington (TET)
Traub, Chester [W --] Jack Ward, Wilmington (TET)
Wednesday, January 5
--
Thursday, January 6
--
Friday, January 7
--
Saturday, January 8
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 8:
Billy Stift, Chicago [TKO 2] Con Doyle (TET)
Frank Childs [W 6] John “Klondike” Haynes (CT)
Barney McCall [D 5] Harry Forbes (CT)
--Probably D 6; five-rounders came later
Sunday, January 9
--
Monday, January 10
--In Athens, PA (Olympic AC) on Jan. 10:
Young Mahoney, Manyunk [W (12?)] Crockey Boyle, Germantown (TET)
Danny Dougherty [D 15] Steve Flannigan (BDE)
--In Louisville, KY on Jan. 10:
Kid McCoy [KO 4] James “Doc” Payne (TET)
Tuesday, January 11
--In Wheeling, WVA (Metropolitan AC) on Jan. 11:
Oscar Gardner, Omaha [W (KO?) 21] Eugene Bezenah, Cincinnati (BDE)
Nick Burley [W 10] Professor Donaldson (BDG)
--In Trenton, NJ (Palace SC) on Jan. 11:
Casper Leon, New York [D 15] Jack Ward, Newark (TET)
Patsy Corrigan, Trenton [W 6] Dave O’Connor, Paterson (TET)
--BSU lists Dave O’Connell.
Jack Waldron, Trenton [D 6] Joe Cain, Brooklyn (TET)
Wednesday, January 12
--In Vallejo, CA on Jan. 12:
Young Griffo, Australia [W 15] Billy Lewis (TET)
--In New Haven, CT (Hyperion Theater: Franklin AC) on Jan. 11:
George Monroe [W PTS --] Jack Ward, Newark (BDE)
Charlie Kelly-125, New York [TKO 3] Jim Canfield-125, Philadelphia (BDE)
Dan Murphy, Waterbury [W 4] Jack Coston, New Haven (BDE)
--January 12th issue of the Fort Wayne News has a list of ring deaths from 1832 to current time.
Thursday, January 13
--In Pittsburgh, PA on Jan. 13:
Jack McClelland [TKO 9] James Kennard (BDG)
Friday, January 14
--In Philadelphia, PA (Arena AC) on Jan. 14:
Jack O’Brien [vs] Isadore Strauss --
--In Cincinnati, OH on Jan. 14:
Larry McDonald-148 [KO 9] George Campbell-155 (BDG)
--In Fort Wayne, IN (Fort Wayne AC) on Jan. 14:
Johnny Cramer vs Andrew Yates
Saturday, January 15
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 15:
Jack Bonner, Summit Hill [TKO 3] “Australian” Billy Smith (CT)
George Kerwin [WF 6] Jimmy Murphy (CT)
Young Sprague [TKO 3] Johnny Ritchie (CT)
Harry Forbes [TKO 2] Tom Cooney (CT)
--In Wilkes-Barre, PA on Jan. 15:
Paddy Sheehan [W 4] Bobby Dobbs (BDG)
Sunday, January 16
--
Monday, January 17
--In Trenton, NJ (Active AC: Turner Hall) on Jan. 17:
Jack Waldron, Trenton [W 20] Young Sykes (TET)
Patsy Corrigan [-- 3] Kid Henry (TET)
Tom Slater [-- 3] Billy Bulow (TET)
Professor Murray [-- 3] Johnny O’Donovan (TET)
John Cannon [D 4] Billy Anderson (TET)
Spider Kelley [-- 3] Johnny Hagen (TET)
--In Pittsburgh, PA (Allegheny AC) on Jan. 17:
Elwood McCloskey, Philadelphia [W 4] Yock Henninger, Pittsburgh (TET)
--In Cleveland, OH on Jan. 17:
Joe Gans, Baltimore [TKO 15] Frank Garrard (TET)
Jim Janey [KO 1] Tom Kelly, Hoboken (BDE)
Tuesday, January 18
--In Reading, PA on Jan. 18:
Jack O’Brien, Philadelphia [W (TKO) 6] Paddy Sheehan, South Bethlehem (TET)
--Most sources list the results as “W 6” for O’Brien, but the article states that the last round was cut short one minute to save Sheehan from being knocked out, so should this be a “TKO” win for O’Brien.
--In Troy, NY (Manhattan AC) on Jan. 18:
Charley Goff, San Francisco [W 20] Tom “Stockings” Conroy (TET)
--In Bridgeport, CT on Jan. 18:
George Siddons [W 10] Walter Burgo (BSU)
Wednesday, January 19
--In Fort Wayne, IN (Jackson’s Hall) on Jan. 19:
Kid Cramer [D 6] Bickness (FWN)
--This match was one of the events for a benefit given for wrestler, Joe Acton.
--In Chicago, IL on Jan. 19:
Billy Stift, Chicago [TKO 3] F.A. Brown (CT)
--Stift outweighed Brown by around 30 pounds.
Thursday, January 20
--In Waterbury, CT (Auditorium) on Jan. 20:
Tommy West, New York [D 20] Dan Murphy, Waterbury (BDE)
Charley Kelly [KO 1] Willie Barrett, New York (BDE)
--Time: (2:22)
Jack O’Brien, New York [W 10] Jack Hannigan, Pittsburgh (BDE)
--In McKeesport, PA on Jan. 20:
Jack McClelland, Pittsburgh [KO 4] Mike Tunney, Pittsburgh (BDE)
--In New London, CT (Gymnasium) on Jan. 20:
George Bolles [W 8] Fred White (BDE)
Jack Lawler-128 [KO 11] Timothy Carroll-128 (BDE)
--Time: (1:10)
Friday, January 21
--In Portland, OR on Jan. 21:
Dick Case [TKO 2] Billy Elmer (CT)
Saturday, January 22
--In Hot Springs, AR on Jan. 22:
Jack Ehrhart [KO 6] Eddie Donnelly (LNSJ)
--Jack Everhardt?
Sunday, January 23
--
Monday, January 24
--In Trenton, NJ (Palace SC) on Jan. 24:
Bobby Dobbs [TKO 7] Jack Fox (TET)
Kid Murphy, Cincinnati [D --] Tim McDermott, Trenton (TET)
Jack Waldron, Trenton [W 6] Eddie Hayes, New York (TET)
--In Baltimore, MD (Eureka AC) on Jan. 24:
Gus Ruhlin-190, Akron [TKO 2] Wolf Bendoff-190, England (TET)
--In Wheeling, WVA (Beobout Club) on Jan. 24:
Joe Bruner, Cincinnati [KO 9] Al Ducose (BDE)
--In Milwaukee, WI on Jan. 24:
Jake “Joe” Magmer [TKO 3] Dick Green (CT)
George Ryan [D 8] Jack Hammond (BDG)
Tuesday, January 25
--In Rochester, NY (Rienzi AC) on Jan. 25:
Jack Bonner, Summit Hill [D 19] Tom McCarthy (BDE)
Doc Kennedy, Rochester [W (KO?) 3] Bobby Morrison, Duluth (BDE)
--In McKeesport, PA on Jan. 25:
Jack Kinlaw [W 10] Jim Kennard (BDG)
--In Wheeling, WV (Bridgeport AC) on Jan. 25:
Buck Stelzer, Columbus [D 20] Mike Farragher, Youngstown (SHS)
Wednesday, January 26
--
Thursday, January 27
--
Friday, January 28
--In Niagara Falls, NY (Power City AC) on Jan. 28:
Kid McPartland [TKO 10] Harry Lemons, Niagara Falls (BDE)
--In Philadelphia, PA (Arena AC) on Jan. 28:
Charley Johnson [W DQ 1] “Mysterious” Billy Smith (BDE)
Tim Callahan,Camden [W 6] Cal McCarthy, Philadelphia (TET)
--In Birmingham, England (Olympic AC) on Jan. 28:
Charley Simpson, England [KO 14] Joe Elms, Boston (Colored) (TET)
--Brooklyn Daily Eagle and Boston Daily Globe list “Johnny Simpson.”
--In Louisville, KY (Kentucky AC) on Jan. 28:
Jim Watts, Louisville [D 10] Louis Slecker (BDE)
--Watts landed three successive uppercuts and with the feeling that a knockout was imminent, police stopped the bout and the referee declared it a “draw.”
Saturday, January 29
--In Chicago, IL (Chicago AA) on Jan. 29:
Frank Childs [TKO 2] Bob Armstrong (TET)
George Kerwin [KO 1] Curly McHale (BDG)
Shorty Ahearn [D 6] Jim Dewar (BDG)
John Ritchie [W 3] Reddy Dwyer-115 (CT)
John Ritchie [W 6] Harry Forbes-115 (CT)
--In Philadelphia, PA (Nonpareil AC) on Jan. 29:
Joe Bernstein, New York [ND-- 6] Joe Fairburn (TET)
Dan McConnell [ND-W 6] Kid Murphy, Cincinnati (TET)
Sunday, January 30
--
Monday, January 31
--In Trenton, NJ (Trenton AC) on Jan. 31:
Dan McConnell, Camden [WF 7] Matty Matthews, New York (TET)
Moore [D 4] Farley (TET)
Harry Bell-125 [D 4] “Blacksmith” Smith-125 (TET)
--In Lynn, MA on Jan. 31:
Mike Sears-125 [W 12] Jack Frazier-125 (BDG)
Every record here is an open book, and we are always trying to improve and confirm things. Ezzard Charles was not a nobody fighting on shows in barns in the sticks, he was a former national AAU Champion, who fought in big cities, where the cards were usually covered.
Back when Charles fought, boxing was covered very well in most newspapers. Most papers would hype the card all week, unless it was in a big city with more than one show a week. You would have a very good idea about who was appearing, and what happened.
Regarding FightFax, it is not highly accepted amongst real boxing historians. For current records, that's a different story.
Back when Charles fought, boxing was covered very well in most newspapers. Most papers would hype the card all week, unless it was in a big city with more than one show a week. You would have a very good idea about who was appearing, and what happened.
Regarding FightFax, it is not highly accepted amongst real boxing historians. For current records, that's a different story.
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Yup, birthplace and hometown are both houston, tx on his official site.
Yup, birthplace and hometown are both houston, tx on his official site.
If you have changes that need to be made, start a new thread, don't put it under an existing topic that is completely off-subject. I was only able to make two connections between Reggie Johnson and Ezzard Charles: Both had Cincinnati listed as a city and both were light heavyweights. Otherwise, it has nothing to do with a discrepancy in Charles' record.
Now he's 88-25-1evndrbsn wrote:So now Ezzard Charles' record has been changed again? No longer 87-25-1 (49 KOs)? So now one of the previously falsified fights by his manager has been dug up in the records and found to be legit? Hahaha. Too funny.
Give it a little more time. He will be back to 96-25-1 (58 KOs) in no time.
Exactly.jcs83md wrote:Now he's 88-25-1evndrbsn wrote:So now Ezzard Charles' record has been changed again? No longer 87-25-1 (49 KOs)? So now one of the previously falsified fights by his manager has been dug up in the records and found to be legit? Hahaha. Too funny.
Give it a little more time. He will be back to 96-25-1 (58 KOs) in no time.
People actually took the time to verify these bouts, and look in Ohio papers to do this. Should we just include bouts because someone put them in a record book erroneously, or in an attempt to lie, as is theorized. At what point do we discount these bouts?
By your logic we would never discount these bouts, because there is no burden of proof that suffices. All bouts should be proveable whether in magazine or newspaper. I think that is something that record compilers agree upon.
By your logic we would never discount these bouts, because there is no burden of proof that suffices. All bouts should be proveable whether in magazine or newspaper. I think that is something that record compilers agree upon.
So his original record will be back real soon then!tegenm wrote:People actually took the time to verify these bouts, and look in Ohio papers to do this. Should we just include bouts because someone put them in a record book erroneously, or in an attempt to lie, as is theorized. At what point do we discount these bouts?
By your logic we would never discount these bouts, because there is no burden of proof that suffices. All bouts should be proveable whether in magazine or newspaper. I think that is something that record compilers agree upon.