Rocky marciono vs Gene tunney

Bradley001 · Post by **Bradley001** » 03 Oct 2005, 17:30

Who would win

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 03 Oct 2005, 18:03

I would go with Tunney. He was a master technician who packed good power and a solid chin. Marciano would make it close with his agression but would eat too many clean punches and lose a decision, somewhere around 9-6 in rounds.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 03 Oct 2005, 18:39

I see it as a Tunney win in much the same manner.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 03 Oct 2005, 20:47

I agrere as well; Tunney too mobile to get caught and worn down for the finish

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Oct 2005, 21:02

look i know i am bais but marciano swarmer style would beat tunney's boxing style. do any of u think tunney would beat prime dempsey???

marciano would beat tunney similary to what he did to roland la starza and ezzard charles. i might add marciano outpointed a master boxer over 15 rounds in charles.

marciano would pressure tunney the whole fight with effective aggresion. tunney will land some crisp jabs and hooks but ultimately marciano would be non stop throwing punches and wouldnt give tunney any room. tunney would be battered to the arms and body and if marciano lands the right, its all over. marciano has underated defense, he was great at making himself an ackward and small target. he knew how to slip punches and make himself a smaller target and hard to hit with a clean punches.

- i just cant see tunney being able to outpoint marciano. rocky is very hard to outpoint over 15. marciano will be so tough in the championship rounds. marciano will land more punches, and land the harder punches, and will swarm and pressure tunney all night.

marciano 15 unanimous decision

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Oct 2005, 21:04

- first off, let me add that marciano faced some of the best master boxers in heavyweight history and beat them all including moore, walcott and charles.

- its amazing how people think so little of marcianos defense, then rock gets in there with acccure master boxers and they have trouble hitting him cleanly. hes just so underated in the defense department by many.The man was so crafty in the ring. A thinker... He wasn't just some big punching, good chinned caveman with no care for defense or strategy. He was as clever and crafty as anyone the division has seen.
His defensive skills were above average in my book. He'd slip jabs, lean away from rights and duck under hooks. Rocky had an unorthadox method of bobbing and weaving which he'd practise on his 300lb punchbag. Watch the Moore fight especially for this, when fighting close he ducks down real low in different directions, rolling his shoulders and coming up with hard punches from angles you'd think weren't possible. This made him a great inside fighter.

theone · Post by **theone** » 03 Oct 2005, 21:28

Marciano would have eventually caught up to Tunney and knocked him out late in the fight.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 03 Oct 2005, 22:46

Tunney was a much better boxer than LaStarza and very mobile; I don't know that he'd be in position to accept having his arms pounded. When he fought Charles and Walcott they each opted to fight him inside- bad choice- possibly because they were on old legs. Tunney would not be nearly 40 in this fight.
There are two other areas in which Tunney is not given his due. The first is in self-discipline and determination; it was said that he and Marciano were one anothers only competition inthose areas. So we can surmise that Tunney would enter the ring committed to fighting according to his fight plan and having prepared himself physically and mentally to do so. Also Tunney is often incorrectly thought to have minimal punching power. In fact, his staight right to the chin and the heart were both considered dangerous weapons, as was the left uppercut to the body he favored, and I read once where it was said that Liston had a great jab, but he was no Gene Tunney. I don't see him getting trapped , nor do I seer Marciano getting hammered at- rather uneventful fight, Tunney by UD

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Oct 2005, 22:53

walcott was in his prime 38 or not. charles fought one of his best fights at heavyweight in there first fight and still couldnt outpoint rocky. charles did control the early rounds but marciano simply totally wore him down. he took away charles speed until charles became flatfooted in the late rounds.

i dont see tunney being able to outpoint rocky, rocky would be too aggresive and would land more punches, hard punches. rocky would most likely dominate the championship rounds where he is most effective.
tunney wont make it an easy fight, but i cant see tunney winning more rounds than rock.

rock unanimous decision

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 04 Oct 2005, 06:57

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:walcott was in his prime 38 or not. charles fought one of his best fights at heavyweight in there first fight and still couldnt outpoint rocky. charles did control the early rounds but marciano simply totally wore him down. he took away charles speed until charles became flatfooted in the late rounds.

i dont see tunney being able to outpoint rocky, rocky would be too aggresive and would land more punches, hard punches. rocky would most likely dominate the championship rounds where he is most effective.
tunney wont make it an easy fight, but i cant see tunney winning more rounds than rock.

rock unanimous decision

Tunney went over 50 rounds with the most aggressive fighter in history Harry Greb and won about 2 of their series, losing only once. Greb makes Marciano's punch output look minimal. Tunney fought on the inside well and kept fighting. He had enough power to get Rocky's respect from coming in so aggressively. Tunney would catch Marciano coming in with two or three punch combinations.. no way does Rocky land more punches. I can't think of a time besides the 14 seconds in Dempsey II where Tunney was seriously hurt. And Tunney was about the same size as Marciano, so Marciano is not going to be able to bully him around on the inside. Tunney packed some power, he was able to battle Greb shows that and he carried that power up to heavyweight.

Overall, Tunney lands more clean punches in the rounds, winning a wide unaminous decision. Tunney never goes down.

And Tunney is a better pure boxer than Charles or Walcott.................... or LaStarza.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 04 Oct 2005, 12:21

For my money he was about the best sweet science operator until Ali came along. His potential is harder to estimate for me but I think he would give just about anyone fits along the way.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 04 Oct 2005, 13:08

Sherlock wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:walcott was in his prime 38 or not. charles fought one of his best fights at heavyweight in there first fight and still couldnt outpoint rocky. charles did control the early rounds but marciano simply totally wore him down. he took away charles speed until charles became flatfooted in the late rounds.

i dont see tunney being able to outpoint rocky, rocky would be too aggresive and would land more punches, hard punches. rocky would most likely dominate the championship rounds where he is most effective.
tunney wont make it an easy fight, but i cant see tunney winning more rounds than rock.

rock unanimous decision

Tunney went over 50 rounds with the most aggressive fighter in history Harry Greb and won about 2 of their series, losing only once. Greb makes Marciano's punch output look minimal. Tunney fought on the inside well and kept fighting. He had enough power to get Rocky's respect from coming in so aggressively. Tunney would catch Marciano coming in with two or three punch combinations.. no way does Rocky land more punches. I can't think of a time besides the 14 seconds in Dempsey II where Tunney was seriously hurt. And Tunney was about the same size as Marciano, so Marciano is not going to be able to bully him around on the inside. Tunney packed some power, he was able to battle Greb shows that and he carried that power up to heavyweight.

Overall, Tunney lands more clean punches in the rounds, winning a wide unaminous decision. Tunney never goes down.

And Tunney is a better pure boxer than Charles or Walcott.................... or LaStarza.

- marcianos punch output is incredible for a heavyweight. and IMO he would land a lot more punches than tunney. and tunney beat a past his prime dempsey, i have no doubt a prime dempsey would have got to tunney.

- harry greb beat the hell out of tunney in there first encounter sending him to bed for a week, what makes u think marciano cant do the same??

- tunney may have been a better pure boxer, but he wasnt trickier than walcott, nor as fast as charles.

and if u think marciano couldnt bully tunney around thats insane. marciano had incredible strength and anyone near his size he will easily rough up on the inside.

u gotta realize, swarmers always give boxers fits. its a trend. tunney would have a very difficult time outpointing marciano.

- whats tunney gonna do when rockys landing hard bombs on the inside?? hows tunney can deal with marcianos pressure???? even a past his dempsey showed u can knock out tunney.

- marciano will and too many punches, will land the harder punches, will work tunneys body, and will show more aggresion and bully tunney around. MARCIANO 15 UNANIMOUS DECISION

IMO both marciano and dempsey outpoints or knocks out tunney.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 04 Oct 2005, 13:34

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:- harry greb beat the hell out of tunney in there first encounter sending him to bed for a week, what makes u think marciano cant do the same??

I was wondering when you were going to comment on those last few posts.

Of course, Tunney learned a great deal from that first Greb fight, and was able to do much better in subsequent fights, so I'm not sure your observation has much bearing on a "prime" Tunney/Maciano match.

Having said that, I tend to agree with you that Rocky had a style that could beat Tunney, although I don't see it as an easy victory. In fact in a series of fights I would expect that Tunney would be able adapt his style and tactics and be able to beat Rocky in a rematch.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 04 Oct 2005, 15:16

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
- marcianos punch output is incredible for a heavyweight. and IMO he would land a lot more punches than tunney. and tunney beat a past his prime dempsey, i have no doubt a prime dempsey would have got to tunney.

- harry greb beat the hell out of tunney in there first encounter sending him to bed for a week, what makes u think marciano cant do the same??

- tunney may have been a better pure boxer, but he wasnt trickier than walcott, nor as fast as charles.

and if u think marciano couldnt bully tunney around thats insane. marciano had incredible strength and anyone near his size he will easily rough up on the inside.

u gotta realize, swarmers always give boxers fits. its a trend. tunney would have a very difficult time outpointing marciano.

hows tunney can deal with marcianos pressure???? even a past his dempsey showed u can knock out tunney.

- marciano will and too many punches, will land the harder punches, will work tunneys body, and will show more aggresion and bully tunney around. MARCIANO 15 UNANIMOUS DECISION

IMO both marciano and dempsey outpoints or knocks out tunney.

Everything I have seen of Tunney would make me disagree. Tunney was a solid 6' 190 pounds with muscle. He was not going to be bullied. He fought effectively inside with Greb.

And Dempsey landed one clean punch in 20 rounds. 59 minutes and 46 seconds Tunney dominated that bout. That bout shows Tunney could effectively outbox any swarmer.

Brockton Blockbuster49 wrote:- whats tunney gonna do when rockys landing hard bombs on the inside??

I don't know brudda. Have Marcia-mania run wild on you

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 05 Oct 2005, 01:42

I have to say that i've thought about this bout for awhile, and although I rate Marciano above Tunney, I'd say Tunney would beat Marciano. (My heavyweight ratings are weird.) Marciano and Tunney were both tough as nails but Tunney was a very gifted technical boxer only second to Ali in that department in my own opinion. It's strange but I feel, Marciano would have a better chance with Ali than with Tunney. I think Tunney would have beat Marciano for a UD. Of course, Marciano always has a puncher's chance, I just don't see it happening.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 05 Oct 2005, 08:11

Hey Vagabundo, it's not strange that some higher rated boxers could lose to lower rated boxers due to stylings. Often times average can have the key to greatness......Jones Tarver could be considered an example by some, some might say Braddock Baer, and their are likely much better examples.

So your ratings do not have to produce perfect results in terms of matchups. I would think their would be many exceptions.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 05 Oct 2005, 19:27

Wow, I used to think I was the only one who thought tunney was a great heavyweight. This is a difficult fight to pick. Tunney was hard to hit and had a good jab and underrated power. It would go down to if Marciano would be able to cut off the ring enough.
It has been pointed out that Tunney had experience fighting inside fighter like Greb and Dempsey. Still Marciano would be more difficult. He hit a lot harder than Greb and Dempsey wasn't the real Dempsey (especially in their first fight). Likewise Marciano had beaten slick fighters like Charles and Walcott, but they weren't as elusive as Tunney.
I guess if they fought 10 times each would win 5.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 05 Oct 2005, 19:36

Hey Rubio I thought you were pretty stupid but I was wrong and I now apologize to stupid people for listing you amoung them.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Oct 2005, 20:03

both are white rubio??? does that mean the fights a draw??

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 06 Oct 2005, 19:28

BoxBuzz wrote:Hey Vagabundo, it's not strange that some higher rated boxers could lose to lower rated boxers due to stylings. Often times average can have the key to greatness......Jones Tarver could be considered an example by some, some might say Braddock Baer, and their are likely much better examples.

So your ratings do not have to produce perfect results in terms of matchups. I would think their would be many exceptions.

Very true.