Too Much Experience
Too Much Experience
When do you think an amateurs career runs too long. like if a fighter by the time theyve turned pro theyve seen there best days as amateurs when do you cross the line from ready to turn pro --to-- already a has been?
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locoxelbox
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Logically if you had some 300 amateur bouts and you are near 30 years old you'll probably be beyond your peak when you reach an opportunity to fight for the world title. Some Germans have had long amateur carreers and made it in the pros anyway. Sven Ottke, a three-time olympian was 29 when he turned pro and retired undefeated with 21 defences of his IBF title. Henry Maske was 26 when he turned pro, Joel Casamayor was also 26.
If you start boxing at an early age and get valuable international experience you should turn pro before 24 years.
Many boxers who turn pro at 17-18 are washed up by the time they are 26.
If you start boxing at an early age and get valuable international experience you should turn pro before 24 years.
Many boxers who turn pro at 17-18 are washed up by the time they are 26.
I believe that you can be proficient for the pros with less than 40 amateur fights.
Many- not all- who turn pro with a ton of amateur fights are either burnt out from too much constant competition or have developed "bad" amateur habits that are tough to erase. Bobbing and weavin for example -so important for a pro- is not used in the amateurs.
There are exceptions to all rules of course.
Many- not all- who turn pro with a ton of amateur fights are either burnt out from too much constant competition or have developed "bad" amateur habits that are tough to erase. Bobbing and weavin for example -so important for a pro- is not used in the amateurs.
There are exceptions to all rules of course.
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like mike tyson only had 27 amateur fights and look at how he turned out as a pro. i think its good to have enough amatuer fights to be a good fighter but once you start reaching the ages of 25 + i think thats when you should make the decision on whether to go pro or ...
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On the flip side, you have Jimmy Clark, who probably stayed too long.prcotto1 wrote:like mike tyson only had 27 amateur fights and look at how he turned out as a pro. i think its good to have enough amatuer fights to be a good fighter but once you start reaching the ages of 25 + i think thats when you should make the decision on whether to go pro or ...
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locoxelbox
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Mike Tyson had some 54 amateur fights http://www.geocities.com/pedrinet/tyson.html
here you can see 41 of them.
The question was when it was too late to turn pro. Of course not everyone needs 100s of amateur fights. But the fact remains, the top amateurs go to dominate the pro ranks very quickly.
here you can see 41 of them.
The question was when it was too late to turn pro. Of course not everyone needs 100s of amateur fights. But the fact remains, the top amateurs go to dominate the pro ranks very quickly.
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actually mike tyson was 24-3 as an amateur check the quote and the site.
quoted from- http://www.michaeltyson.com/Iron-Mike-Tyson.html
"At the tender age of 13, Mike went to work in a gym in Catskills with the trainer of champions, Cus D'Amato,... he racked up an impressive 24-3 amateur record"
y trust a geocities site when you can trust iron mikes offical site?
plus if by your words all/most great amateurs do well in the pro's wut about the never ending list of busts including
Vince Shomo
Forest Ward
Roberto Vinas
Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Robert Shannon
Kelcie Banks
Davey Lee Armstrong
Ed Sanders
Kenny Gould
Vernon McGriff
Pete Rademacher
Andrew Maynard
Kenny Gould
etc.....etc....etc...
quoted from- http://www.michaeltyson.com/Iron-Mike-Tyson.html
"At the tender age of 13, Mike went to work in a gym in Catskills with the trainer of champions, Cus D'Amato,... he racked up an impressive 24-3 amateur record"
y trust a geocities site when you can trust iron mikes offical site?
plus if by your words all/most great amateurs do well in the pro's wut about the never ending list of busts including
Vince Shomo
Forest Ward
Roberto Vinas
Jorge Luis Gonzalez
Robert Shannon
Kelcie Banks
Davey Lee Armstrong
Ed Sanders
Kenny Gould
Vernon McGriff
Pete Rademacher
Andrew Maynard
Kenny Gould
etc.....etc....etc...
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locoxelbox
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The amateur losses of Tyson are well recorded. I have seen his losses to Henry Tillman and there are many out here on the forum who have seen his losses to Al Evans, Kimmuel Odum and Craig Payne. You can actually buy some of them on the net.
Most pros tend to "forget" some losses when they tell their amateur records.
Most of the guys you mention weren't expected to make big things in the pro ranks. Banks was knocked out could in the first round in the Olympics, Gould was a dissapointment, Shannon was stopped in the Olympics too, Rademacher was 29 and made his debut against Floyd Patterson for the heavyweight title (very serious), Gonzalez hadn't won anything in over three years...
Most pros tend to "forget" some losses when they tell their amateur records.
Most of the guys you mention weren't expected to make big things in the pro ranks. Banks was knocked out could in the first round in the Olympics, Gould was a dissapointment, Shannon was stopped in the Olympics too, Rademacher was 29 and made his debut against Floyd Patterson for the heavyweight title (very serious), Gonzalez hadn't won anything in over three years...
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He was an amateur heavyweight star of the 1970's who fought several well-known professional and beat several.prcotto1 wrote:jimmy clark? call me an idiot but im not too sure who youre talking about. and which jimmy clark? the one that has that tribute saying he had a 100 year career?