Tyson Fury 'living in a fantasy world' says British UFC star

[johnnykayo]

yea rampage has been to the wolfslair gym many times,its now finished and it was a great gym

[SteveDow]

http://www.BS.com/tyson-fury-b ... uez--61124

He's after Bispeng now!

[SteveDow]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1472 ... -challenge

Now Bob Sapp!

[Poncey]

Why dont you explain how BJJ works when your against more than one opponent ?
BTW i have been training bjj three years,been boxing all my life .

Who's your instructor?

[Bricks]

I cant beleive some of the stuff im reading on page 1 from guys like steve dow.

The crowds at MMA shows are the most polite friendly crowds i have ever come across in any sporting event. Nothing like the drunken leery loudmouthed types we get in pro boxing. and thats a sad fact. Much may be to do with the MMA community in the UK is small and close knit.

And also a large part is the whole MMA scene evolved from traditional martial arts with their emphasis on sporting behaviour and bowing etc.

Lastly the sport is so brutal far more so than boxing that the participants and their fans naturally have more respect to each other knowing they are all in a dangerous enough game so no need for any silliness

[CiganoBoxer]

Why dont you explain how BJJ works when your against more than one opponent ?
BTW i have been training bjj three years,been boxing all my life .

Who's your instructor?

Who's yours ?
I trained under a few,I started off at (UFC ref)Mark Woodards oulaw mma in tewskbury Then i took up BJJ at jon B will Club in cheltenham, i have also trained at braulio estimas club at gloucester under Ally mason.
Next week i will start training with Ronnie Mann at his new place which i am looking forward to, After 3 years of grappling 2 years in the gi i am still only a 4 stripe white belt tho, i tend to still rely on my size and strength a bit to much and I sacrifice technique as i am 6ft 2 and 17st,i tap most blue belts tho
I have had the pleasure of rolling with ADCC 2nd degree black belt Cam Rowe for 4 weeks when he came over ,rolling with him was like trying to go jab for jab with maywether ,it was a real eye opener for me to experience that type of skill on the mat,i out weighed him by 5 stone and he tied me in knots with great ease,the mat time these guys put in to get that skilled is unprecedented.
I enjoy BJJ ,i love the challenge of it and the thought process behind it, sometimes i get back from rolling and i will be thinking should of went for this or that and i can't get to sleep thinking about it lol
That being said in the street i will still revert to what I knows best and thats punching/boxing, i would only ever use BJJ if there was only one person,he would of had to get me on the ground,but by then i would of tried punching his forehead right in for him ...hopefully

[SteveDow]

I cant beleive some of the stuff im reading on page 1 from guys like steve dow.

The crowds at MMA shows are the most polite friendly crowds i have ever come across in any sporting event. Nothing like the drunken leery loudmouthed types we get in pro boxing. and thats a sad fact. Much may be to do with the MMA community in the UK is small and close knit.

And also a large part is the whole MMA scene evolved from traditional martial arts with their emphasis on sporting behaviour and bowing etc.

Lastly the sport is so brutal far more so than boxing that the participants and their fans naturally have more respect to each other knowing they are all in a dangerous enough game so no need for any silliness

I was just asking what the crowds were like as I'd never been to a show before if you read my post. I certainly wasn't criticising the people who go and watch.

[CiganoBoxer]

I cant beleive some of the stuff im reading on page 1 from guys like steve dow.

The crowds at MMA shows are the most polite friendly crowds i have ever come across in any sporting event. Nothing like the drunken leery loudmouthed types we get in pro boxing. and thats a sad fact. Much may be to do with the MMA community in the UK is small and close knit.

And also a large part is the whole MMA scene evolved from traditional martial arts with their emphasis on sporting behaviour and bowing etc.

Lastly the sport is so brutal far more so than boxing that the participants and their fans naturally have more respect to each other knowing they are all in a dangerous enough game so no need for any silliness

I dont know mate , i have mates that fight mma and we've been to a few ufc shows to and there is always trouble in the crowd at them , my mate fought at knuckle ups last show in weston super mare and two or three fights broke out.
FFS even the women was fighting with a load of men ,the security had a job to stop it lol
I think the crowd at boxing imo is very different but both crowd types have their issues with impulse control .
You cant help but notice tho when your at an mma show that its full of Steroids,tattoos ,and tap out T-shirts
I dont think i have ever seen anyone dressed smart or in a suit at an mma show yet :)

[Poncey]

Why dont you explain how BJJ works when your against more than one opponent ?
BTW i have been training bjj three years,been boxing all my life .

Who's your instructor?

Who's yours ?
I trained under a few,I started off at (UFC ref)Mark Woodards oulaw mma in tewskbury Then i took up BJJ at jon B will Club in cheltenham, i have also trained at braulio estimas club at gloucester under Ally mason.
Next week i will start training with Ronnie Mann at his new place which i am looking forward to, After 3 years of grappling 2 years in the gi i am still only a 4 stripe white belt tho, i tend to still rely on my size and strength a bit to much and I sacrifice technique as i am 6ft 2 and 17st,i tap most blue belts tho
I have had the pleasure of rolling with ADCC 2nd degree black belt Cam Rowe for 4 weeks when he came over ,rolling with him was like trying to go jab for jab with maywether ,it was a real eye opener for me to experience that type of skill on the mat,i out weighed him by 5 stone and he tied me in knots with great ease,the mat time these guys put in to get that skilled is unprecedented.
I enjoy BJJ ,i love the challenge of it and the thought process behind it, sometimes i get back from rolling and i will be thinking should of went for this or that and i can't get to sleep thinking about it lol
That being said in the street i will still revert to what I knows best and thats punching/boxing, i would only ever use BJJ if there was only one person,he would of had to get me on the ground,but by then i would of tried punching his forehead right in for him ...hopefully

I'm under Nick Brooks, who's a first degree under Roger. I suspect you moving gyms is why you haven't made blue yet. EddieShredder had the same problem and should've been blue long before he was actually promoted.

Mark's a lovely guy.

[CiganoBoxer]

Why dont you explain how BJJ works when your against more than one opponent ?
BTW i have been training bjj three years,been boxing all my life .

Who's your instructor?

I'm under Nick Brooks, who's a first degree under Roger. I suspect you moving gyms is why you haven't made blue yet. EddieShredder had the same problem and should've been blue long before he was actually promoted.

Mark's a lovely guy.

Mark Woodard's alright,its just he was more mma based and i just wanted to concentrate more on BJJ hence why i left him.
Its not so much the moving gyms mate,sometimes gym politics can play a part in these BJJ clubs ,sometimes grading is more a case of if your face fits etc ,some of these out and out grappling clubs are like little cults

[hurlock]

So mr ped, are you saying to get good rankings at bjj you have to be good at bj's

[CiganoBoxer]

So mr ped, are you saying to get good rankings at bjj you have to be good at bj's

Well to get a blue belt in some clubs you have to suck dick ...thats why i am still white i suppose

[nfc90210]

I posted this on another forum some time back, but I don't think that I ever posted it here.

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To the best of my knowledge, there have been six (or five depending on how you look at it) boxers who have held credible world titles (for the purposes of this thread defined as WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF) that have competed in MMA. Pro wrestling double crosses don't count. Nor does whatever the eff you want to call Ali/Inoki. Also, I'm only counting male fighters as well. There have been a few female boxers who have won credible professional boxing world titles and have also competed in MMA. Elena Reid for instance is one. Jessica Rakoczy is another.

Anyway, the list...

- James Warring (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... at=boxer): Who fought in a one night tournament in 1995. He beat his first opponent (a guy called Jerome Turcan), then beat Erik Paulson before losing in the final to Renzo Gracie. It should be noted that the tournament was divided into a strikers and a grapplers bracket with the winners meeting in the final in a full MMA bout. I believe that in the strikers bracket (which Warring won) no submissions were allowed. His MMA adventure took place just over three years after he had lost the IBF Cruiserweight Title. He might be the closest thing to a prime high-level boxer competing in MMA. Before he became a pro boxer Warring had won world titles in kickboxing.

James Warring's fight with Renzo Gracie is below. I would very much like to see Warring's first two fights (especially the one with Paulson) but I couldn't find them online. Alas, I can but hope. Anyway, below is Warring/Gracie from 1995.

James Warring Vs Renzo Gracie (World Combat Championship 1- First Strike) (October 17, 1995) (Charlotte, North Carolina)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFWmQKyReQk

- Ray Mercer (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... at=boxer): Fought two MMA bouts. Lost to Kimbo in a bout that was classified an exhibition due to the New Jersey State Athletic Commission refusing to sanction it. Knocked out Tim Sylvia in eighteen seconds in his second foray into MMA.

Ray's MMA fights...

Ray Mercer Vs Kimbo Slice (Cage Fury Fighting Championships 5 - TWO WORLDS, ONE CAGE) (June 23, 2007) (Trump Taj Mahal) (Atlantic City, New Jersey) (Bout classified as an exhibition)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jjbN8N0Gko

Ray Mercer Vs Tim Sylvia (Adrenaline MMA 3: Bragging Rights) (June 13, 2009) (BJCC Arena) (Birmingham, Alabama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo

- James Toney (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... at=boxer): Jobbed to Couture.

James Toney Vs Randy Couture (UFC 118: Edgar vs. Penn 2) (August 28, 2010) (TD Garden) (Boston, Massachusetts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9tbWgXm88

- Imamu Mayfield (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=bo ... _id=5606): Mayfield was IBF cruiserweight champion for a period in 1997/1998. He fought, and got submitted by, Kazuyuki Fujita at Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 in a bout with slightly modified rules. Dave Meltzer touched on the bout in a piece he wrote for Yahoo around the time that James Toney was in the UFC. I will rip off Big Dave's description of the rules.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=d ... nmma082310

.... To make things more fair for the boxer, the rules were set up so Fujita would get only 20 seconds on the ground before he was stood up...

Imamu Mayfield Vs Kazuyuki Fujita (Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival) (December 31, 2003 (Kobe Wing Stadium) (Kobe, Japan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yt1_UO5qg

- François Botha (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... at=boxer): This is the contentious one. In October of 1995 Botha beat Axel Schulz by decision to win the vacant IBF World Heavyweight Title. He then failed the drug test for roids. He was stripped of the title and his victory over Schulz was declared a no-contest. He did win a world title in the ring though so you can count him if you want. Anyway, he fought Akiyama, and lost by submission, on New Year's Eve 2004.

François Botha Vs Yoshihiro Akiyama (K-1 PREMIUM 2004 Dynamite!!) (December 31, 2004) (Osaka Dome) (Osaka, Japan)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOSEw5C_nVM

Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai Sityodtong (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer) a Thai boxer who is a former WBA World super featherweight title is currently 1-1 in MMA.

His two fights...

Yodsanan Sityodtong Vs Daniel Mashamaite (One FC - Champion Vs Champion)(September 3, 2011) (Singapore Indoor Stadium, Kallang, Singapore)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XI1vI7gC6g

Yodsanan Sityodtong Vs Jiang Long Yun (One FC - War of the Lions) (March 31, 2012) (Singapore Indoor Stadium, Kallang, Singapore)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN_IMjuWnw

Missed former NABO WBO Cruiserweight champion Yosuke Nishijima that fought Baroni, Hunt, Yoshida and Cyborg in PRIDE FC.

I didn't include Nishijima because he never held a legitimate world title. He did actually win minor a world title (the WBF World Cruiserweight) and a couple of regional belts. When doing original list I kept it to guys who had won "major" world championships in boxing.

It might be interesting to do another list and include guys who have won any kind of title in boxing and who after winning that title competed in MMA. Off the top of my head you'd have Yosuke Nishijima, Matt Skelton, Julius Francis, Rubin Williams, Mark Potter, Butterbean and probably quite a few other names.

[stevieb_8006]

although as ive stated, i believe MMA to be more versatile, i think its worth pointing out that we have yet to see how an elite boxer IN HIS PRIME fares. Lets be honest, guys like botha/mercer/toney were just prostituting their names. Its almost like its the new route for faded boxers that arent able to hack it as decent journeymen anymore. I can understand it, they get paid and take a lot less shots.

[CiganoBoxer]

Like i said i watch and enjoy both sports ,but for sure pugilisticly boxing will always be light years ahead of mma

[liamlion]

I bet tony is finding it easier tho!
Boxing is harder to do as its a fine art & if you can't punch & don't have speed your pretty knackerd.
Mma can look more brutal but boxing is far more damaging as you rarely see mma fighters slur etc.
If truth be told I respect boxers more because stand up is the ultimate challenge.

In your opinion maybe, but I totally disagree. Punching is the most basis technique, any clown can throw a haymaker and get success. Boxing doesnt replicate a true (no-holds barred) fight where kicks, grappling and elbows are common.

Muay Thai/Wrestling/Judo/BJJ are much more sophisticated fighting systems and are much more difficult to master.

Why dont you explain how BJJ works when your against more than one opponent ?
BTW i have been training bjj three years,been boxing all my life .

Not every no-holds barred fight, whether it be a street fight or vale tudo or an organised straightner necessarily sees a 3rd party getting involved.

I agree that BJJ isnt necessarily going to work out too well if you are fighting 2 or more blokes at one time. Youre certainly likely to make yourself vulnerable to attack when engaging with one of your opponents - particularly if you opt to go to the ground. However, let gets this absolutely right, whether you are a judo master, ninja, jedi or boxer... if you are fighting more than one person, your attention is likely to be focused on one opponent at any given time, especially if youre launching an attack and so your going to be vulnerable regardless.

I personally dont think that boxing would properly prepare someone for a no-holds barred fight, whether that be organised or not, I do however think that MMA would better prepare you.

[Final round]

Been wrestled,grappled and strangled out by some tit you want to chin would be a horrible way to go.Close to been forcibly bummed.
I may have to acquire a stun gun to prevent this ever happening.

[forcefraser]

For a normal street fight/pub fight boxing is by far the best. It`s about landing and avoiding.

I hit him......he went darn!

[CiganoBoxer]

Not every no-holds barred fight, whether it be a street fight or vale tudo or an organised straightner necessarily sees a 3rd party getting involved.

I agree that BJJ isnt necessarily going to work out too well if you are fighting 2 or more blokes at one time. Youre certainly likely to make yourself vulnerable to attack when engaging with one of your opponents - particularly if you opt to go to the ground. However, let gets this absolutely right, whether you are a judo master, ninja, jedi or boxer... if you are fighting more than one person, your attention is likely to be focused on one opponent at any given time, especially if youre launching an attack and so your going to be vulnerable regardless.

I personally dont think that boxing would properly prepare someone for a no-holds barred fight, whether that be organised or not, I do however think that MMA would better prepare you.

I disagree ,if your in street fight with more than one opponent your better off staying standing standing(this favours a puncher) ,the minute you go on that floor you give the man/men watching a better chance kicking you in the head .
Like said earlier I have done BJJ for three years and the ground is the last place i would want to go with more than one opponent to take care of .
Even if they was both two idiots ,you might end up on the ground with one of them and any fool can kick you in the head.

[hurlock]

Pedigree you sound like chuck Norris's love child

[liamlion]

I disagree ,if your in street fight with more than one opponent your better off staying standing standing(this favours a puncher) ,the minute you go on that floor you give the man/men watching a better chance kicking you in the head .

Like said earlier I have done BJJ for three years and the ground is the last place i would want to go with more than one opponent to take care of .
Even if they was both two idiots ,you might end up on the ground with one of them and any fool can kick you in the head.

Yeah, agreed. But then I think I alluded to the same issue in my last post.

Correct me if im wrong, but you could use Ju-Jitsu in the form of a choke or arm lock without having the need to go to the ground.

And yes punching can be particularly effective in a street brawl, as can kicking (albeit the latter is less common than the former). In vale tudo or an organised no-holds barred fight however the limits of a puncher will often be brutally exposed. For example boxers tend to plant their feet more and are therefore more susceptible to taking leg strikes, affecting their own mobility, stability and punch power.

In addition, there's more risk of a puncher being knocked out himself attempting to deliver his strike than for example a kick boxing who's delivering leg strikes. Range is a relevant factor.

[CiganoBoxer]

I disagree ,if your in street fight with more than one opponent your better off staying standing standing(this favours a puncher) ,the minute you go on that floor you give the man/men watching a better chance kicking you in the head .

Like said earlier I have done BJJ for three years and the ground is the last place i would want to go with more than one opponent to take care of .
Even if they was both two idiots ,you might end up on the ground with one of them and any fool can kick you in the head.

Yeah, agreed. But then I think I alluded to the same issue in my last post.

Correct me if im wrong, but you could use Ju-Jitsu in the form of a choke or arm lock without having the need to go to the ground.

And yes punching can be particularly effective in a street brawl, as can kicking (albeit the latter is less common than the former). In vale tudo or an organised no-holds barred fight however the limits of a puncher will often be brutally exposed. For example boxers tend to plant their feet more and are therefore more susceptible to taking leg kicks, affecting their own mobility, stability and punch power.

Think we on the same page sort of ,what you got to think about is BJJ is a ground fighting art that yes if you was a decent level in bjj you might pull off a choke standing on one assailant ,but to pull off any sub you will have to use both your arms/hands to get it and then what you gonna fend off the other guy or guys with ?? your corey ?
You would have to be some sort of Martial Arts genius to choke a guy out could whilst knocking another out with a kick or your pr!ck

[liamlion]

I disagree ,if your in street fight with more than one opponent your better off staying standing standing(this favours a puncher) ,the minute you go on that floor you give the man/men watching a better chance kicking you in the head .

Like said earlier I have done BJJ for three years and the ground is the last place i would want to go with more than one opponent to take care of .
Even if they was both two idiots ,you might end up on the ground with one of them and any fool can kick you in the head.

Yeah, agreed. But then I think I alluded to the same issue in my last post.

Correct me if im wrong, but you could use Ju-Jitsu in the form of a choke or arm lock without having the need to go to the ground.

And yes punching can be particularly effective in a street brawl, as can kicking (albeit the latter is less common than the former). In vale tudo or an organised no-holds barred fight however the limits of a puncher will often be brutally exposed. For example boxers tend to plant their feet more and are therefore more susceptible to taking leg kicks, affecting their own mobility, stability and punch power.

Think we on the same page sort of ,what you got to think about is BJJ is a ground fighting art that yes if you was a decent level in bjj you might pull off a choke standing on one assailant ,but to pull off any sub you will have to use both your arms/hands to get it and then what you gonna fend off the other guy or guys with ?? your corey ?
You would have to be some sort of Martial Arts genius to choke a guy out could whilst knocking another out with a kick or your pr!ck

Oh yeah, id forgotten how easy it is to knockout 3 men with the one same punch!! How silly of me... lol

But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if ever in the situation I would avoid taking matters to the floor in a fight against more than one man. But then again I dont think I ever suggested that such a thing was a good idea.

[Deserter]

my mate fought at knuckle ups last show in weston super mare and two or three fights broke out.

Sadly I know that's true as some of the guys responsible were from my home town, Bridgwater. The MMA coach of the club in Bridgwater was disgusted by it - as always, wasn't the fighters themselves, just muppets who thought they were hard men after a few beers.

[palooka]

Oh yeah, id forgotten how easy it is to knockout 3 men with the one same punch!! How silly of me... lol

But yeah, hypothetically speaking, if ever in the situation I would avoid taking matters to the floor in a fight against more than one man. But then again I dont think I ever suggested that such a thing was a good idea.[/quote]

If you were at your best at grappling/ground work and you couldn't get out of it I imagine you'd be best off doing what you were good at. If you're no good stood up then you'll get a kicking anyway. If you get one of them down you may make them squeel enough that someone drags you off, or break their wrist/ankle.