USA Boxing New Age Determination and Ranking system

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USA Boxing Age Determination
USA Boxing is implementing the AIBA age determination rules so that our athletes will meet the requirements for
International Competition.
Therefore, for 2013 the following age division will need to meet the below age determination requirements:
Junior (15‐16 years old): Athletes must be 15‐16 years old in the year of 2013 to compete in the Junior
Division. This means they must be born in 1997‐1998 to be eligible. Athletes cannot turn 17 anytime
during the year of 2013.
Youth (17‐18 years old): Athletes must be 17‐18 years old in the year of 2013 to compete in the Youth
Division. This means they must be born in 1995‐1996 to be eligible. Athletes cannot turn 19 anytime
during the year of 2013.
Elite (19‐34 years old): Athletes must be 19‐34 years old in the year of 2013 to compete in the Elite Division.
This means they must be born in 1994‐1979 to be eligible. Athletes cannot turn 35 anytime during
the year of 2013.
The year of 2013 will be a transitional year, as some athletes may only have been able to compete in the Junior
Olympic Tournament for one year. This also means that athletes who are 16 and turning 17 in 2013 will be eligible
for the USA Boxing National Championships.
USA Boxing Amateur Rankings
USA Boxing will launch a new Ranking
System in 2013. Over a three‐day period, a
working group composed of coaches, officials,
athletes, USOC representatives and USA Boxing
staff members developed a ranking model
based with the foundation of objective data
that is strictly performance‐based. Within this
new system, athletes may earn points from
both national and international competitions,
which will be grouped into tiers according to
the competitive nature of the event.
The USA Boxing Amateur Rankings will
be used to serve multiple purposes, however
the principle idea behind this program is to
create a vehicle to identify and track the
progress of athletes within the Elite, Youth and
Junior divisions of USA Boxing. This ranking
system will maintain a close eye on which
athletes are potential candidates for national
team opportunities, as well as provide a founda
tion from which seeding for national events
will be based upon.
USA Boxing would like to send a special
thanks to Carrie Barry, Robert Brant, Beau
Campbell, Christy Halbert, Eddie Liddie, Steve
Powderly and Al Simpson for their hard work
and contributions to this new ranking system.
More information on the details of this program
is yet to come and will be made available on the
USA Boxing website.

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This is disheartening for my son cause he was looking forward to 2016 Olympics he would be just turning 18. I don't see why they just don't let the best fighters go To Olympics regardless if age . So if this rule was I. Effect in 2012 , the 17 yr old Clarrissa would not have been able to win Gold. Some fighters are ready at 17 . This just basically creates an unnecessary 17- 18 age group. At 17 you can go die for you country in war but not old enough to box adults.

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[Slythex]

Here's what I don't get:

Youth (17‐18 years old): Athletes must be 17‐18 years old in the year of 2013 to compete in the Youth
Division. This means they must be born in 1995‐1996 to be eligible. Athletes cannot turn 19 anytime
during the year of 2013.

Elite (19‐34 years old): Athletes must be 19‐34 years old in the year of 2013 to compete in the Elite Division.
This means they must be born in 1994‐1979 to be eligible. Athletes cannot turn 35 anytime during
the year of 2013.

The year of 2013 will be a transitional year, as some athletes may only have been able to compete in the Junior
Olympic Tournament for one year. This also means that athletes who are 16 and turning 17 in 2013 will be eligible
for the USA Boxing National Championships.

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So why would a 'Youth' be boxing in the 'Elite' National Championships? This isn't clear at all. Or with Nationals now have a Youth division and an Elite division?

[JMac]

I think what is happening is that the IOC is going to start having Youth Olympics every 4 years just like the regular Olympics every 4 years but the youth olympics will be an U-19 Olympics. It will be for all sports. What will be interesting is do all sports have to conform to the age rules for the regular (Elite) Olympics meaning that only 19 and up athletes can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, there won't be very young gymnast and swimmers for example in the Elite Olympics. Or will the IOC let each sport governing body decide who can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, AIBA needs to back down.
I guess the IOC needs more money and bribes hence going forward with the Youth Olympics.

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I think what is happening is that the IOC is going to start having Youth Olympics every 4 years just like the regular Olympics every 4 years but the youth olympics will be an U-19 Olympics. It will be for all sports. What will be interesting is do all sports have to confirm to the age rules for the regular (Elite) Olympics meaning that only 19 and up athletes can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, there won't be very young gymnast and swimmers for example in the Elite Olympics. Or will the IOC let each sport governing body decide who can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, AIBA needs to back down.
I guess the IOC needs more money and bribes hence going forward with the Youth Olympics.

Ok that sounds a little better but imo once a kid becomes 17 some are good enough to.compete n beat anyone. They should not be handicapped if they are advanced for their age. They will tire of facing The.same guys in only their age groups form 8-19

[JMac]

I think what is happening is that the IOC is going to start having Youth Olympics every 4 years just like the regular Olympics every 4 years but the youth olympics will be an U-19 Olympics. It will be for all sports. What will be interesting is do all sports have to confirm to the age rules for the regular (Elite) Olympics meaning that only 19 and up athletes can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, there won't be very young gymnast and swimmers for example in the Elite Olympics. Or will the IOC let each sport governing body decide who can compete in the Elite Olympics. If that is the case, AIBA needs to back down.
I guess the IOC needs more money and bribes hence going forward with the Youth Olympics.

Ok that sounds a little better but imo once a kid becomes 17 some are good enough to.compete n beat anyone. They should not be handicapped if they are advanced for their age. They will tire of facing The.same guys in only their age groups form 8-19

I do know that somebody from USAB went and checked how many US boxers competed in the Olympics at 17 or 18 and how well did they did. I don't know the full results but it was a very small number and only Meldrick Taylor had success in '84 but that was a boycotted Olympics with no Cubans or communist east European countries participating.

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There have been some youth boxers competing well in the Olympics and a few won medals.
I remember Amir Khan and Atagun Yalcincaya both won silver in 2004 before their 18th birthday. Hector Lopez was only 17 when he won silver for Mexico in 1984. Faustino Reyes was 18 when he won silver for Spain in 1992. In London Jeyvier Cintron reached the quarter-finals and he´s only 17. I think there is no reason to increase the age limit. A youth boxer should be allowed to box Elite if he/she wishes.

[mike222]

All this is, is bringing the US in line with the rest of the world.

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All this is, is bringing the US in line with the rest of the world.

I guess its cool but I just find it weird how 17 yr olds are fit to go die in wars with men but not box 3 rds of boxing with men. They should be given the chance to at least make the Olympic team . It's rare that a person so young could make it but we thought we probably would've had a great shot at making it in 2016, been training 12 yrs for it but life goes on.

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There have been some youth boxers competing well in the Olympics and a few won medals.
I remember Amir Khan and Atagun Yalcincaya both won silver in 2004 before their 18th birthday. Hector Lopez was only 17 when he won silver for Mexico in 1984. Faustino Reyes was 18 when he won silver for Spain in 1992. In London Jeyvier Cintron reached the quarter-finals and he´s only 17. I think there is no reason to increase the age limit. A youth boxer should be allowed to box Elite if he/she wishes.

IClarrisa Shields was 17 n won Gold

[T Duquette]

I think they have made this change because they will be taking the headgear away and they know it will be less socially acceptable to make 17 year olds box without headgear.

[JMac]

I received an email from a R/J friend in Australia. He likes to read boxrec but not post.
His comment on the age rule is this:

I noted on the Boxrec site a discussion about the new age determinations for boxers. I thought I'd bring AIBA Rule 1.1.2.1 to yours and possibly everyone's attention - 1.1.2.1. Youth Boxers are permitted to participate in Elite Boxers’ competitions as per Rules applicable to Elite Boxers. So, unless USAB go a different path or AIBA has made changes that I am unaware of, 17 and 18 year olds can still box as Elite boxers.

As T Duquette has observed, AIBA or USAB may have made a change to this because of the headgear coming off. The funny thing is headgear has only been mandatory since 1984. There have been lots of Olympics and national and world level tournaments for years without headgear and 17 years old could box then.

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I received an email from a R/J friend in Australia. He likes to read boxrec but not post.
His comment on the age rule is this:

I noted on the Boxrec site a discussion about the new age determinations for boxers. I thought I'd bring AIBA Rule 1.1.2.1 to yours and possibly everyone's attention - 1.1.2.1. Youth Boxers are permitted to participate in Elite Boxers’ competitions as per Rules applicable to Elite Boxers. So, unless USAB go a different path or AIBA has made changes that I am unaware of, 17 and 18 year olds can still box as Elite boxers.

As T Duquette has observed, AIBA or USAB may have made a change to this because of the headgear coming off. The funny thing is headgear has only been mandatory since 1984. There have been lots of Olympics and national and world level tournaments for years without headgear and 17 years old could box then.

The age has been raised to 19 because if a 17 or 18 year old sign a contract to turn pro under AIBA it will not be a legal binding contract. It is great that AIBA has professional inspirations to create opportunities. I just hate that we will let it effect our programs in a detrimental way. A lot of kids in my LBC are turning pro at an earlier age now because of this. It does not look good for the home team.

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I received an email from a R/J friend in Australia. He likes to read boxrec but not post.
His comment on the age rule is this:

I noted on the Boxrec site a discussion about the new age determinations for boxers. I thought I'd bring AIBA Rule 1.1.2.1 to yours and possibly everyone's attention - 1.1.2.1. Youth Boxers are permitted to participate in Elite Boxers’ competitions as per Rules applicable to Elite Boxers. So, unless USAB go a different path or AIBA has made changes that I am unaware of, 17 and 18 year olds can still box as Elite boxers.

As T Duquette has observed, AIBA or USAB may have made a change to this because of the headgear coming off. The funny thing is headgear has only been mandatory since 1984. There have been lots of Olympics and national and world level tournaments for years without headgear and 17 years old could box then.

The age has been raised to 19 because if a 17 or 18 year old sign a contract to turn pro under AIBA it will not be a legal binding contract. It is great that AIBA has professional inspirations to create opportunities. I just hate that we will let it effect our programs in a detrimental way. A lot of kids in my LBC are turning pro at an earlier age now because of this. It does not look good for the home team.

That can't be the reason is it? 17 yrs olds can sign up to die in military but can't sign up.for boxing?

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I received an email from a R/J friend in Australia. He likes to read boxrec but not post.
His comment on the age rule is this:

I noted on the Boxrec site a discussion about the new age determinations for boxers. I thought I'd bring AIBA Rule 1.1.2.1 to yours and possibly everyone's attention - 1.1.2.1. Youth Boxers are permitted to participate in Elite Boxers’ competitions as per Rules applicable to Elite Boxers. So, unless USAB go a different path or AIBA has made changes that I am unaware of, 17 and 18 year olds can still box as Elite boxers.

As T Duquette has observed, AIBA or USAB may have made a change to this because of the headgear coming off. The funny thing is headgear has only been mandatory since 1984. There have been lots of Olympics and national and world level tournaments for years without headgear and 17 years old could box then.

The age has been raised to 19 because if a 17 or 18 year old sign a contract to turn pro under AIBA it will not be a legal binding contract. It is great that AIBA has professional inspirations to create opportunities. I just hate that we will let it effect our programs in a detrimental way. A lot of kids in my LBC are turning pro at an earlier age now because of this. It does not look good for the home team.

That can't be the reason is it? 17 yrs olds can sign up to die in military but can't sign up.for boxing?

A 17 year old's parent or legal guardian must sign for them to go into the military in the United States.