Il Duce wrote:Rover,
You make some good points, but you faltered at the end.
Arturu 'Cuyo' Hernandez and WBC President Jose Suliaman were very close friends, and 'Cuyo' was
going to lose Carlos Zarate after the June 3, 1979 WBC Bantamweight Championship bout.
But, 'Cuyo' was still going to be Lupe Pintor's Manager, and that is where the future money was.
The Scorecards technically meant nothing, as Jose Suliaman controlled everything anyway.
Jose Suliaman never released the scorecards to the public or press, only my connection,
Ray Clarke (Head of the WBC Grievance Committee) had access to them.
You have just been floored for a 9-Count.
Nonsense.
The NSAC was (and is) in charge of fights in Nevada.
Your claim is just as silly as your claim that the WBC was giving cues to the judges.
I'll take the word of two boxing journalists over an empty claim by you, especially since you've been shown to have been wrong time and again.
You claim Fiore *assumed* Buck had the first even and that Lurie had it for Pintor?
No, it's a published report that directly contradicts your unsubstantiated claim. The best you can do is claim some connection you had--with no way to verify this.
You claim Groves *assumed* Martin had the 4th 10-6 for Zarate?
Fiore reported exactly the same thing.
You also claimed before that Maartin had only two 10-8 rounds, the 4th and (you thought) the eleventh.
Of course, you had to retreat from that when I showed it was mathematically impossible.
Hmmm...doesn't make sense that a veteran journalist would "assume" something that specific.
Only *you* say they never saw the scorecards and were just assuming.
That is merely *your* unsubstantiated claim.
Of course, you also claimed that the Oakland Tribune had it 146-139 for Zarate, which I showed didn't add up.
You also claimed that Chris Schenkel never announced his score, yet you earlier posted a quote from an interview where he did just that.
So your reliability has already been shredded.
You've offered nothing to back this up--because you can't.
Hilarious how I've shown reports that contradict your claims.
You then claim (with nothing to back it up) that these reporters were just assuming and that Sulaiman was in charge, and he never released the cards.
The NSAC controlled fights in NV, as it does today.
Your claim that the scorecards "technically meant nothing" because Sulaiman controlled everything is just more conspiracy kook hogwash that you emptily hurled out there.
So, just to recap again, I've sourced my material.
You claim the cards were kept concealed by the WBC even though the NSAC was in charge, and you cannot provide anything to back that up.
Funny how reports of the fight contradict your claims, so you then have to revert to making a claim that you can't support. Par for the course for someone who presents arguments like the one that a judge "looked guilty" and the one that the judges were being cued.
You're the master of the unsupportable claims.
BTW, even if those judges had scored all rounds identically, that isn't evidence of corruption, but I've already shown a report by a journalist at ringside, published 13+ years ago, that blows away your claim.
And then there's International Boxing from October 1979.
You've claimed that Lurie and Buck scored each round identically.
As I said before, Buck scored round 1 even while Lurie scored it for Pintor.
In round 5, Buck scored it 10-9 for Pintor, while Lurie scored it 10-9 for Zarate.
In the seventh, Buck scored it even, while Lurie scored it 10-9 for Zarate.
In the tenth, Buck scored it 10-8 for Pintor, while Lurie had it 10-9.
In the eleventh, Buck scored it even, while Lurie had it for Zarate.
In the 15th, Buck scored it 10-9 Zarate, while Lurie scored it 10-9 Pintor.
International Boxing, October 1979
That confirms *exactly* what Fiore and Groves reported.
And oh yeah...Martin scored the 4th 10-6.
So there you have it, folks.
The only thing Il Duce has is unsubstantiated claims like the nonsense that the scorecards were never released, the WBC cued the judges, and the whopper that Lurie "looked guilty."
Il Duce can't prove corruption, so he's desperately clinging to a point which, if true, wouldn't do so anyway.
But his claim basically comes down to "don't believe the media reports, believe me because I say I was told that the two judges scored all 15 rounds identically."
To believe Il Duce, you'd have to believe that the media are wrong and that only Il Duce knows the real scorecards.
Of course, considering how Il Duce has been proven wrong again and again (even by his own words), he has no credibility anymore; he's just a pathetic conspiracy theorist who can't prove his charge of corruption and is left clinging to a claim which he can't back up and which wouldn't prove it anyway.
And notice how Il Duce resorted to the "prove a fix didn't happen" argument?
I await with alacrity Il Duce's proof that he isn't a member of a terrorist sleeper cell.
That, Il Duce, is called a lesson in logic.
