Haye: the defining fight for Vitali?

[lillywhite14]

Adamek didn't make a splash in the cruisers until 2008 and Haye moved up the heavyweight that year.
Mormeck was the man when Haye beat him. Cunningham held the IBF strap but that was taken away from Bell ( and subsequently Mormeck and Haye ) OUT of the ring. Cunningham was a paper champion, like Enzo was. Enzo bought Haye a massive pay day and people have short memories...a lot of punters and experts were tipping Enzo against Haye! Crazy at it seems! Haye destroyed Enzo's career.

As for Haye not being a credible heavy. By British standards, he is a great heavyweight. He achieved more than any of our current hopefuls ever will I believe.

Fair enough, people don't like him and the way he acts etc, but its all show. He is in the game to earn big money. Something I think he has done.

[JLP]

I can see how some people think Haye is the business and my criticisms may seem harsh but I'm judging him on high standards. He was a tremendous amateur who has barely improved from the day he turned pro. Even the one think he put right (pacing a fight) has long since gone from one extreme to the other. Fair play to him, he's earned well but I think he could've done that and built a lasting legacy if he'd gone about things in a different fashion. I maintain that, in my view, his achievements at both cruiserweight and heavyweight are overrated by some. I expected more from him. Maybe there's still time.

Being able to earn 2 million quid for fighting a guy who has never beaten anyone decent and had lost three of his last four fights, his one win coming against a guy with a 19-43-3 record is quite some achievement, though, I'll give him that.

[Final round]

Haye has been granted his licence back barring pending medical results.

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

Haye is what is wrong with Boxing. Fight, don't talk!

[Finn]

Haye is what is wrong with Boxing. Fight, don't talk!

Another person who only watched the wlad fight from hayes entire career - was he demolition of Chisora lacklustre was it?

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

Haye is what is wrong with Boxing. Fight, don't talk!

Another person who only watched the wlad fight from hayes entire career - was he demolition of Chisora lacklustre was it?

Chisora was a good win.

Not at all. I acknowledge his stance and achievements BUT since he became a 'Heavyweight' he talked like a peak TYSON and delivered nothing of the sort.

Chisora fights ANYONE, the same can not be said for HAYE.

With HAYE its the money or nothing. Its just about the cash. His choice, but I don't have to admire him for it.

[Finn]

Haye is what is wrong with Boxing. Fight, don't talk!

Another person who only watched the wlad fight from hayes entire career - was he demolition of Chisora lacklustre was it?

Chisora was a good win.

Not at all. I acknowledge his stance and achievements BUT since he became a 'Heavyweight' he talked like a peak TYSON and delivered nothing of the sort.

Chisora fights ANYONE, the same can not be said for HAYE.

With HAYE its the money or nothing. Its just about the cash. His choice, but I don't have to admire him for it.

Thats fair enough but who in the heavy weight has walked the walk? Povetkins not fought anyone, vitali has only managed a loss to lewis whilst not managing to get any of the recent big names (belt holders) into the ring - Valuev, povetkin, haye, theres got to be something wrong when your best win is sam peters. And Wlad has managed byrd, haye, ibragimov and chag which is better but he still couldnt get valuev and povetkin, 2 of the 3 fighters people thought might stand a chance, into the ring. Haye is also the best name on his CV.

Big fights havent been made with the Klits because they are obsessed with money and dont seem interested in match making unless it fits into their business model. IMO haye has brought fans into the sport and delivered (on the whole) exciting fights and lots of media attention - the klits before haye moved up were turning fans off in droves, everytime they have a fight all anyone cares about is if haye is going to fight vitali. RTL did a poll on their site and the vast majority of Germans who voted want vitali to fight haye next. Why wont he deliver the fights people want. People wanted valuev so they offered him peanuts, i should imagine povetkin gets offered the same.

[TJ77]

Sorry, Haye is no more defining than Samuel Peter on Vitali's comeback.

Don't apologise, I concur 100%. Haye is hugely overrated.

haye will never go down as the greatest but you have to give the guy more credit. He is not a natural heavyweight, but has acheived a lot in very few fights. The guy can bang and nobody can deny that.

Im no Haye fan but i would agree with everything you have said.
Good post.

[tonyevs]

I have never been able to forget how Haye promised fire-work displays at heavyweight and then ran all night trying to steal rnds.
How he talked of him being the real fighter willing to go out on his shield against Wlad ... and ran from him too.

Haye could probably run from Vitali for 12rnds nowadays. With same tactics as against Valuev he could steal the verdict.
But who would want to watch that?
A Haye fan maybe - certainly not a boxing fan though.

Vitali should retire ASAP.
Haye should just disapear ASAP ...

[Bard of Boxrec]

Haye would be the second biggest win of Vitali's career.

That pretty much says everything about the level of the guys Vit has beaten.

[Finn]

I have never been able to forget how Haye promised fire-work displays at heavyweight and then ran all night trying to steal rnds.
How he talked of him being the real fighter willing to go out on his shield against Wlad ... and ran from him too.

Haye could probably run from Vitali for 12rnds nowadays. With same tactics as against Valuev he could steal the verdict.
But who would want to watch that?
A Haye fan maybe - certainly not a boxing fan though.

Vitali should retire ASAP.
Haye should just disapear ASAP ...

I dont think thats true - the bit about promising fireworks and giving us a lacklustre performance bit is - but im not convinced he would do the same a second time. He got the tactics wrong, the occassion got to him a bit, he underestimated how quick wlad could move out of range and i also think he expected wlad to be more wreckless and maybe want to trade after all the bad mouthing. Haye wouldnt want to damage his reputation further by not going out and letting the leather fly, he's not audley harrison he hasnt (other than that fight) shown he loses his bottle in the ring and cant deliver exciting fights.

The valuev fight was fairly boring but you have to take into consideration - the tactics worked, he broke his hand fairly early on, and he had to be cautious because he had so much riding on the fight - what does haye have to risk now other than ridicule for not going out and giving it everything. The guys shown himself to be a warrior in the past people have written him off as a bit of a fancy dan gobshite prematurely imo.

[Finn]

Haye would be the second biggest win of Vitali's career.

That pretty much says everything about the level of the guys Vit has beaten.

if haye had a belt he would be the biggest win in vitali's career, if he won of course. I just wish haye would fight povetkin.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I have never been able to forget how Haye promised fire-work displays at heavyweight and then ran all night trying to steal rnds.
How he talked of him being the real fighter willing to go out on his shield against Wlad ... and ran from him too.

Haye could probably run from Vitali for 12rnds nowadays. With same tactics as against Valuev he could steal the verdict.
But who would want to watch that?
A Haye fan maybe - certainly not a boxing fan though.

Vitali should retire ASAP.
Haye should just disapear ASAP ...

I dont think thats true - the bit about promising fireworks and giving us a lacklustre performance bit is - but im not convinced he would do the same a second time. He got the tactics wrong, the occassion got to him a bit, he underestimated how quick wlad could move out of range and i also think he expected wlad to be more wreckless and maybe want to trade after all the bad mouthing. Haye wouldnt want to damage his reputation further by not going out and letting the leather fly, he's not audley harrison he hasnt (other than that fight) shown he loses his bottle in the ring and cant deliver exciting fights.

The valuev fight was fairly boring but you have to take into consideration - the tactics worked, he broke his hand fairly early on, and he had to be cautious because he had so much riding on the fight - what does haye have to risk now other than ridicule for not going out and giving it everything. The guys shown himself to be a warrior in the past people have written him off as a bit of a fancy dan gobshite prematurely imo.

It's not that the occasion got to Haye, it's that he's always been the type of fighter to be economical with his punches, look for openings and use his speed to exploit them. He just couldn't find a way in vs Wlad due to the huge size and reach deficit and it isn't like his style was to plough in and wing away with short hooks, Haye has always been effective throwing shots from distance and catching slightly defensively-dubious guys with his superior skills. |So vs Wlad his main advantages were taken away from him.