Williams goes in search of the Bedford Bear

[boxingchat]

Tszyu was Fucked with a capital F, Fucked knees, Fucked hips and couldn't run for months = Fucked. Still a great man for taking the fight but the fact is physically he was a wreck. The purse and package offered by Warren was too good for him to turn down. That is fact my friend and if you read the Aussie press before AND after the fight it is documented.

Not taking anything away from Hatton believe me, but Williams win was better in my opinion. Remember most fighters have lost to Tyson before they even get in the ring and Danny overcame that bit and then done him, remarkable.

but don't u think the loss to mcbride puts williams win into perspective.

tyson is clearly an aged, past it and out of shape fighter. tszyu has had some bad injuries, but was fit enuff to thrash sharmba mitchell and drill himself into shape for the hatton fight.

Okay, I will take your point but agree to disagree. Tyson didn't look interested agsint McBride but believe me he was against Williams. I know I was there. Yes he's gone now and is not the fighter he was but let me tell you, under Freddie Roach he was well fit and well up for it. His weight was so as Danny was so heavy, did he look fat? no he looked ion great shape that night and at the weigh-in.

As for Sharmba Mitchell, was he actually any good? In my opinion, no, very artiiculate and very knowledgeable whch appealed to the US media pack, but in the ring? No, sorry, not for me Sharmba was a product of good-matchmaking as is Ricky Hatton, Kostya came up the hard way like Chavez the real champions at Light-Welter who in their prime would have eaten the current crop, maybe with the exception of Mayweather, for breakfast.

Peak Chavez/Peak Tszyui V Hatton? two rounds and Hatton is chopped down like a tree.

[leforge]

I agree they should fight but if the title not for the British I can see Skelton reasons for not taking the fight. If Williams had flu why did he not say earlier.

[MightyWarrior]

Agreed, for that first round Tyson looked as dangerous as they come, I'm still not sure how Danny survived that blitzkrieg. But he did, and it was surely a great win.

I really hope the Vitali fight money was good, because that was some reward he got! I don't want to ever see as prolonged a hammering as that again.

But the Hatton/Tszyu will no doubt go down as the bigger win. Yes, the Sharmba win flattered him, as I said at the time, but he was still one stone cold killer, and in front of 20,000 the pressure was on Hatton big time. Thousands of fighters would've folded under that...Hatton stepped onto the world stage in style that night.

Though Honeyghan still gets my vote as best win by a Brit.

[boxingchat]

I agree they should fight but if the title not for the British I can see Skelton reasons for not taking the fight. If Williams had flu why did he not say earlier.

Only he knows that. But Skelton still fought, still got paid and if he was prepared to fight Williams that night, why not now?

It's already been said that the winner will get a World title fight so what's his issue, not principle, that is such a weak excuse. For the sort of money and incentive on the table principle means jack shit.

"Grandad, why are we so poor yet the Williams family have everything and even a swimming pool?
Aye lad principles, principles, see I never gave him a chance at my crown, you know that rusty belt I pawned to pay the bills. Aye, principles, off he went and made a fortune fighting some useless Puerto Rican for a Million quid, remember, never forget your principles son and you'll be alright. Now pass the cabbage soup over here and go and chop some more logs Lad, it getting awful nippy in here"

[boxingchat]

Agreed, for that first round Tyson looked as dangerous as they come, I'm still not sure how Danny survived that blitzkrieg. But he did, and it was surely a great win.

I really hope the Vitali fight money was good, because that was some reward he got! I don't want to ever see as prolonged a hammering as that again.

But the Hatton/Tszyu will no doubt go down as the bigger win. Yes, the Sharmba win flattered him, as I said at the time, but he was still one stone cold killer, and in front of 20,000 the pressure was on Hatton big time. Thousands of fighters would've folded under that...Hatton stepped onto the world stage in style that night.

Though Honeyghan still gets my vote as best win by a Brit.

Pressure? 20,000 fans on YOUR side? that's pressure? how about 15,000 booing you as you enterthe ring and then wait for Mike Tyson to walk to deafening cheers beofre he stares you down and twitches his neck in your face. Ummm, I see your point.

Honeyghan's win was great, agreed, but a masterful move by Mickey Duff on a par with Warren's for the Tszyu fight must not be forgotten. Duff followed Curry for ages and sussed out he was fucked at 147. He sent Honeyghan over knowing that Curry was weak and possibly was past it and Lloyd done the rest.

Anyway, for me, Randy Turpin is streets above any of these wins.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yep good call. Curry's weight making problems were well known at the time, and he was having some problems outside the ring too by all accounts. He was already looking at moving up to light middle.

Curry couldn't cope with the pace and the argie-bargie. Had they fought a year earlier, I don't think Lloyd could have done that, because Starling and Breland who had some similarities to Curry absolutely murdered him.

The timing was just right for Lloyd, but you cannot take anything away.

Turpin's win over Robinson must be taken with a pinch of salt though, as Robinson had been living pretty high off the hog and having a ball on his European tour, and was stitched up by put up in the Star and Garter in Putney which at that time was a rowdy old joint. Still a great win.

[boxingchat]

Yep good call. Curry's weight making problems were well known at the time, and he was having some problems outside the ring too by all accounts. He was already looking at moving up to light middle.

Curry couldn't cope with the pace and the argie-bargie. Had they fought a year earlier, I don't think Lloyd could have done that, because Starling and Breland who had some similarities to Curry absolutely murdered him.

The timing was just right for Lloyd, but you cannot take anything away.

Turpin's win over Robinson must be taken with a pinch of salt though, as Robinson had been living pretty high off the hog and having a ball on his European tour, and was stitched up by put up in the Star and Garter in Putney which at that time was a rowdy old joint. Still a great win.

Then, as I said, the promoter must have done his job again with Robinson. Either that or Solomans was just a cheapskate, probably both.

Timing is the all-important factor and that is the job opf the Manager/Promoter and trainer to suss out and history tells us, in most, if not all of the great wins that this has been a major , major factor. Still the guy's in suits are portrayed as the bad guys and the Boxers, who I wholeheartedly agree do the hard bit, are the superheroes with short memories afterwards.

Tszyu had problem swith his knees and other physical problems. FACT why was the lay-off, a holiday? The Aussie papers have been full of it for ages it's no secret.

[boxingchat]

By the way, I am not a bad speller but spilt coke (No not the Kate Moss type) on my keyboard and it's sticking so no Sesame Steet gags okay!

[MightyWarrior]

Pressure? 20,000 fans on YOUR side? that's pressure?

Well...yes. Most boxers, in front of their own fans, with huge expectations, would be thinking please God don't let me get cold cocked inside a round.
Or they completely lose it and go for broke ( Minter, Bruno etc )
A lot of fighters talk about the pressure of appearing in front of their home crowd...

And Danny really did have nothing to lose ( apart from his head ).

Yes Duff moved Honey perfectly - no doubt about that. But what where the odds that night? 20-1?

And agree with JMcD about the Turpin fight - turning up for a fight in a pink cadillac, with a court jester, dwarf and hair dresser makes you think he wasn't taking things too seriously!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yep good call. Curry's weight making problems were well known at the time, and he was having some problems outside the ring too by all accounts. He was already looking at moving up to light middle.

Curry couldn't cope with the pace and the argie-bargie. Had they fought a year earlier, I don't think Lloyd could have done that, because Starling and Breland who had some similarities to Curry absolutely murdered him.

The timing was just right for Lloyd, but you cannot take anything away.

Turpin's win over Robinson must be taken with a pinch of salt though, as Robinson had been living pretty high off the hog and having a ball on his European tour, and was stitched up by put up in the Star and Garter in Putney which at that time was a rowdy old joint. Still a great win.

Then, as I said, the promoter must have done his job again with Robinson. Either that or Solomans was just a cheapskate, probably both.

Timing is the all-important factor and that is the job opf the Manager/Promoter and trainer to suss out and history tells us, in most, if not all of the great wins that this has been a major , major factor. Still the guy's in suits are portrayed as the bad guys and the Boxers, who I wholeheartedly agree do the hard bit, are the superheroes with short memories afterwards.

Tszyu had problem swith his knees and other physical problems. FACT why was the lay-off, a holiday? The Aussie papers have been full of it for ages it's no secret.

People portray promoters as the guys with black hats because it's boxers who end up with broken hooters, scar tissue, brain damage and gimpy walks, it's understandable.

It's unfair, but it's a natural reaction for someone to assume that promoters use fighters.

If there was anything wrong with his knees I would have expected one of my Australian contacts to have told me, not that I'm saying I am an all-seeing all knowing eye or owt.

I know he had shoulder problems, but that is a long standing problem for which he received specialist therapy and new training regimes.

I'm sure a lot of fighters have bad knees by that age, especially if they've been pounding pavements in the mornings for years doing roadwork. I don't think he was too far gone though, not judging by the battering Mitchell got. For Tszyu movement wasn't really a big part of his game so I don't see it as a factor. I think the biggest factor was that Tszyu had so few rounds under his belt, and has never liked a fast paced fight, see fights with Phillips and ?Urkal

Yes, most wins by British fighters against big time opposition have been down to astute management/promotion. Honeyghan v Curry, McGuigan got Pedroza at the right time, Bruno and McCall, Hatton v Tszyu, etc etc etc.

Robinson did get a bit screwed and as you say, down to astute moves on Soloman's part.

[knockout]

well after a colourful start this has turned into a nice thread!!!!

I think we all agree timing is everything and that a good matchmaker is priceless.......

[boxingchat]

And I end the day without getting slagged off once!

All round things are looking good!

[Max Molyneux]

Benn's win over Mc Clellan was the best in my opinion! That was one Vicious fight!

[Max Molyneux]

Pictures of it.

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Looks like he found a bear but not the one he was looking for.

[jomothepure]

He doesn't look in too bad shape there. Little bit of a gut but no way is he over 20 stone judging by those pictures

[numpty]

I was just thinking the same Jo, he is making a bit of a prat of himself though considering that it was him that pulled out of the 1st fight!

[jomothepure]

I was just thinking the same Jo, he is making a bit of a prat of himself though considering that it was him that pulled out of the 1st fight!

Can't disagree with that at all. Skelton must feeling like Tommy Gunn at the moment! He's the f'ing champ but all the attention is on Williams.

But as you say, whatever the reason, it was Williams who pulled out the first time. He must be doing this to try to shut up those who think he shat it when he pulled out.

Looking like that though, I'd take Williams to smoke Skelton's boots if December the 3rd happens

[Max Molyneux]

He was 18 stone 12 for th Hatton undercar so maybehe's got dwon even more.

Could of been hiding weights on his legs after all.