Well here we go again - live on Sky and no doubt worth getting up for. Usually rematches fail to live up to the hype, but with these two warriors, there just seems no way it wont be fireworks again.
They must be slightly mad - going for another visit to hell on earth. No doubt the money must be very good.
Corrales seems to be the pick here, according to most, just because he won. But check out his face after the last one, and he looked like he'd been run over by a truck.
15 seconds before the end of fight #1 - what would the odds on Diego winning have been then? 100-1?
This is impossible to call I reckon - who knows what they left behind last time out. I'm leaning towards Diego again - just because he never knows when he's beat.....but this could go either way.
What's the picks?
Corrales v Castillo: Unfinished business
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MightyWarrior
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I agree with States, too hard to call really.
I went for Castillo prior to match 1 and have been Castillo all throughout that build up for this one (I had him in a clearer lead than most going into the 10th). However, BM's preview has got me thinking. It takes a lot to break a mexican warrior and has Chico perminantly done this?
I went for Castillo prior to match 1 and have been Castillo all throughout that build up for this one (I had him in a clearer lead than most going into the 10th). However, BM's preview has got me thinking. It takes a lot to break a mexican warrior and has Chico perminantly done this?
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MightyWarrior
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Not everyone's favorite, but Jim is our own version of Teddy Atlas when it comes to analyzing fights - been there done it....
from Sky sports - Jim Watt -
Everyone will be hoping that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo rematch is as good as the first – and I see no reason why it can't be.
A lot of rematches don’t live up to the hype or their predecessors, but a lot of that is down to the two fighters' personalities.
They often think "that was hard, I don’t want to go through that again" and as a result we get a much cagier, tactical affair the second time round.
But in Corrales and Castillo we have two men who love fighting that way and there is every chance it could be as good again.
You always get a little carried away commentating on a fight, but I really do think that first meeting at the Mandalay Bay in May has to go up there with the very best I've seen.
We all talk about the Marvin Hagler-Thomas Hearns classic back in 1985 as the best in recent memory and I wouldn’t disagree. But even though it only lasted three rounds, and we had the cut straight away, and even though the punches were bouncing off both from the start, you always had the feeling it would go Hagler's way.
Another great fight was without doubt the Nigel Benn-Gerald McClellan WBC super-middleweight decider in 1985, which of course we all remember for the wrong reasons.
Unfortunately because of the dreadful way it ended and what happened to McClellan, no-one likes to talk about that night in south London, but before all that it was a wonderful fight that had everything.
And I have got so say I would put Corrales-Castillo I up there right alongside it. It is certainly the best fight I've seen since then. If it had been in a Rocky film, they would have had to water it down!
We had 10 rounds of amazing, toe-to-toe, shoulder-to-shoulder action which just didn't stop. They both stood their ground and there was barely a moment the referee needed to break them up. But although it was fought entirely at close-range, both fighters boxed brilliantly and hardly wasted a punch.
They were both caught and appeared to be in trouble several times and throughout the fight - certainly in that sensational 10th round - no-one knew which way it was going to go.
For Corrales to climb off the canvas not once but twice and then produce that stunning finish was one thing, but then we had all the drama of the gumshield coming out and the controversy that went with it.
Had Castillo gone down like Corrales he could have easily cleared his head and carried on and maybe even won. Strange as it sounds, had his chin not been as good, we might have had a different outcome.
As it was he took the blows but stayed up on the ropes leaving referee Tony Weeks to make the right decision and step in.
Funnily enough, I thought it would be the Mexican's chin that might tip their first meeting his way and I had him down as slight favourite heading for the Mandalay Bay.
Corrales is probably quicker, the better single puncher and certainly taller with a longer reach, and we know both men can land big punches, so I thought it would come down to who had the best chin.
The gumshield incidents certainly brought Corrales some much-needed time and added to the whole drama and I am sure that – plus the usual input from WBC president Jose Sulaiman – has plenty to do with the fact that we have the rematch.
I can't see much changing either. Although you can't take the pre-fight talk that seriously, both have said they want the same again, so we can only hope.
And if you look at the two characters involved, there's every chance.
Castillo will always fight the same. He is a good pro, very tough and has learned his trade extremely well, but he is never going to change.
For me, Corrales is the one who holds the key to how the rematch goes. It was his approach (and I actually thought he was wrong to go in so close last time!) that instigated the first classic and it will be the same here.
He could alter his tactics and use his boxing skills a bit more. He would probably have the advantage at long-range, but I just get the feeling he will do the same again, like he says. His trainer Joe Goossen has a very good reputation and he seemed more than happy for him to fight like that.
I would have been screaming at him to box more and use his reach advantage, but Goossen is clearly not the squeamish type, so I don't expect any dramatic changes.
And Chico himself loves being in those wars. We've seen it against Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas and you could see from his reaction last time, how much enjoyed it.
He is naturally adventurous and fully commits himself to every fight. I can't see him saying "that wasn't too sensible" and avoiding a repeat, because that is just the way he is. That is why we see him on the floor so many times!
Also there is the macho factor. He knows he's been in probably the best fight for the last 20 years and clearly enjoys all the accolades that go with it, so why would he want to modify his style?
Marco Antonio Barrera has managed it and probably added another two years to his career, whereas Erik Morales hasn't which is why we are seeing these defeats, like the third one with Barrera and more recently Zahir Rahmeen.
If there was one fighter who you would least expect to turn himself into a boxer, it was Arturo Gatti. But with Buddy McGirt's help he did and started showing the skills we always knew he possessed, but hadn't used consistently.
But Gatti did get some stick for that in his second fight with Micky Ward and you wonder whether the same would happen to Corrales if he does adopt a more cautious approach on Saturday night.
I think he might box slightly different this time and perhaps mix it up a bit more, but I still think because of the personalities involved we will be in for something pretty similar.
You've always got to fancy the guy that won the first meeting, especially if there have been no other fights in between, and I would make Corrales the slight favourite again.
Fortunately I have never experienced what Castillo must have gone through putting a man down twice only to lose the fight in the same round and it all depends on how he responds.
How a fighter comes back from any defeat is important and although it will not have been as devastating as the Corrales loss, we have seen Jose Luis do it before after losing to Floyd Mayweather Jr.
And it is not as if he did a long wrong against Corrales either! He knew he was so close to winning it and could easily have ended up with another world title, so it was not as if he made a complete mess of it.
All things told, a repeat performance looks likely and I have to side with Corrales. I think it could go the distance this time and I fancy Chico to edge it on points. But it will be close and it will be worth watching.
from Sky sports - Jim Watt -
Everyone will be hoping that the Diego Corrales-Jose Luis Castillo rematch is as good as the first – and I see no reason why it can't be.
A lot of rematches don’t live up to the hype or their predecessors, but a lot of that is down to the two fighters' personalities.
They often think "that was hard, I don’t want to go through that again" and as a result we get a much cagier, tactical affair the second time round.
But in Corrales and Castillo we have two men who love fighting that way and there is every chance it could be as good again.
You always get a little carried away commentating on a fight, but I really do think that first meeting at the Mandalay Bay in May has to go up there with the very best I've seen.
We all talk about the Marvin Hagler-Thomas Hearns classic back in 1985 as the best in recent memory and I wouldn’t disagree. But even though it only lasted three rounds, and we had the cut straight away, and even though the punches were bouncing off both from the start, you always had the feeling it would go Hagler's way.
Another great fight was without doubt the Nigel Benn-Gerald McClellan WBC super-middleweight decider in 1985, which of course we all remember for the wrong reasons.
Unfortunately because of the dreadful way it ended and what happened to McClellan, no-one likes to talk about that night in south London, but before all that it was a wonderful fight that had everything.
And I have got so say I would put Corrales-Castillo I up there right alongside it. It is certainly the best fight I've seen since then. If it had been in a Rocky film, they would have had to water it down!
We had 10 rounds of amazing, toe-to-toe, shoulder-to-shoulder action which just didn't stop. They both stood their ground and there was barely a moment the referee needed to break them up. But although it was fought entirely at close-range, both fighters boxed brilliantly and hardly wasted a punch.
They were both caught and appeared to be in trouble several times and throughout the fight - certainly in that sensational 10th round - no-one knew which way it was going to go.
For Corrales to climb off the canvas not once but twice and then produce that stunning finish was one thing, but then we had all the drama of the gumshield coming out and the controversy that went with it.
Had Castillo gone down like Corrales he could have easily cleared his head and carried on and maybe even won. Strange as it sounds, had his chin not been as good, we might have had a different outcome.
As it was he took the blows but stayed up on the ropes leaving referee Tony Weeks to make the right decision and step in.
Funnily enough, I thought it would be the Mexican's chin that might tip their first meeting his way and I had him down as slight favourite heading for the Mandalay Bay.
Corrales is probably quicker, the better single puncher and certainly taller with a longer reach, and we know both men can land big punches, so I thought it would come down to who had the best chin.
The gumshield incidents certainly brought Corrales some much-needed time and added to the whole drama and I am sure that – plus the usual input from WBC president Jose Sulaiman – has plenty to do with the fact that we have the rematch.
I can't see much changing either. Although you can't take the pre-fight talk that seriously, both have said they want the same again, so we can only hope.
And if you look at the two characters involved, there's every chance.
Castillo will always fight the same. He is a good pro, very tough and has learned his trade extremely well, but he is never going to change.
For me, Corrales is the one who holds the key to how the rematch goes. It was his approach (and I actually thought he was wrong to go in so close last time!) that instigated the first classic and it will be the same here.
He could alter his tactics and use his boxing skills a bit more. He would probably have the advantage at long-range, but I just get the feeling he will do the same again, like he says. His trainer Joe Goossen has a very good reputation and he seemed more than happy for him to fight like that.
I would have been screaming at him to box more and use his reach advantage, but Goossen is clearly not the squeamish type, so I don't expect any dramatic changes.
And Chico himself loves being in those wars. We've seen it against Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas and you could see from his reaction last time, how much enjoyed it.
He is naturally adventurous and fully commits himself to every fight. I can't see him saying "that wasn't too sensible" and avoiding a repeat, because that is just the way he is. That is why we see him on the floor so many times!
Also there is the macho factor. He knows he's been in probably the best fight for the last 20 years and clearly enjoys all the accolades that go with it, so why would he want to modify his style?
Marco Antonio Barrera has managed it and probably added another two years to his career, whereas Erik Morales hasn't which is why we are seeing these defeats, like the third one with Barrera and more recently Zahir Rahmeen.
If there was one fighter who you would least expect to turn himself into a boxer, it was Arturo Gatti. But with Buddy McGirt's help he did and started showing the skills we always knew he possessed, but hadn't used consistently.
But Gatti did get some stick for that in his second fight with Micky Ward and you wonder whether the same would happen to Corrales if he does adopt a more cautious approach on Saturday night.
I think he might box slightly different this time and perhaps mix it up a bit more, but I still think because of the personalities involved we will be in for something pretty similar.
You've always got to fancy the guy that won the first meeting, especially if there have been no other fights in between, and I would make Corrales the slight favourite again.
Fortunately I have never experienced what Castillo must have gone through putting a man down twice only to lose the fight in the same round and it all depends on how he responds.
How a fighter comes back from any defeat is important and although it will not have been as devastating as the Corrales loss, we have seen Jose Luis do it before after losing to Floyd Mayweather Jr.
And it is not as if he did a long wrong against Corrales either! He knew he was so close to winning it and could easily have ended up with another world title, so it was not as if he made a complete mess of it.
All things told, a repeat performance looks likely and I have to side with Corrales. I think it could go the distance this time and I fancy Chico to edge it on points. But it will be close and it will be worth watching.
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Phenomenal-Nutrition
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I am expecting Corales to adopt the tactics for that he used for the second Cassymour match and keep the fight at distance.
This should allow him to cruise to a points victory.
I would love another barn stormer like fight 1 and for spells I expect this one will get in the trenches. However I am not expecting this one to be as intense as the first one.
I am still routing for Castillo because I think he is an underappreciated fighter and a win may give him the kudos he deserves
This should allow him to cruise to a points victory.
I would love another barn stormer like fight 1 and for spells I expect this one will get in the trenches. However I am not expecting this one to be as intense as the first one.
I am still routing for Castillo because I think he is an underappreciated fighter and a win may give him the kudos he deserves
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