Jimmy Braddock vs Frank Bruno

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:54

Both managed to meet up with a fairly disinterested 'champ' and became heroes for a while.

I think Braddock could win this one late, a bit like the night Bruno completely fell apart after winning the first 9 rounds against Bonecrusher Smith.

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 06 Oct 2005, 18:53

I'm not trying to pretend Jim Braddock was a great fighter; he was an average fighter...maybe even a below average fighter...that had the fight of his life against a champ past his prime.

However, Frank Bruno is just bad. He was bad. There's no other way to put it. He never, ever came through in big fights.

He was KO'd by Bonecrusher Smith, KO'd by Tim Witherspoon, KO'd by Mike Tyson twice and KO'd by Lennox Lewis. On the one night where he didn't completely implode he won the WBC title off of Oliver McCall, the first incarnation of Hasim Rahman, then promptly lost it to Tyson.

The difference between Bruno and Braddock is that on the biggest nights of their respective careers, Braddock came up big, and Bruno fucked up.

So, without hesitation, and even though Rory knows I'm not a huge fan of Braddock, I will say that Braddock would win this fight by UD.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 06 Oct 2005, 19:27

Rubio, get out of this this thread, you nasty little pinhead!

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 06 Oct 2005, 19:31

I agree with Braddock by UD if not KO.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 06 Oct 2005, 19:43

I think if he got by Baer he gets by Bruno's power even easier. Bruno was slower.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 06 Oct 2005, 20:22

iceman wrote

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I'm not trying to pretend Jim Braddock was a great fighter; he was an average fighter...maybe even a below average fighter...that had the fight of his life against a champ past his prime.

baer was not past his prime. baer was only 25. fact is baer fougt a terrible fight by clowning around the whole fight, and braddock fought the best fight of his life. baer was defintely not past his prime, he simply just clowned around. if baer had tried he would have probably won. not to take away anything from jimmy, who fought an incredible fight and the way he fought he might have always beat baer on that night, the man was on a mission.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 06 Oct 2005, 21:11

iceman21287 wrote:I'm not trying to pretend Jim Braddock was a great fighter; he was an average fighter...maybe even a below average fighter...that had the fight of his life against a champ past his prime.

However, Frank Bruno is just bad. He was bad. There's no other way to put it. He never, ever came through in big fights.

He was KO'd by Bonecrusher Smith, KO'd by Tim Witherspoon, KO'd by Mike Tyson twice and KO'd by Lennox Lewis. On the one night where he didn't completely implode he won the WBC title off of Oliver McCall, the first incarnation of Hasim Rahman, then promptly lost it to Tyson.

The difference between Bruno and Braddock is that on the biggest nights of their respective careers, Braddock came up big, and Bruno fucked up.

So, without hesitation, and even though Rory knows I'm not a huge fan of Braddock, I will say that Braddock would win this fight by UD.

i would hardly call braddock a below average figher.. hes not great but he was at least above average.. anyway..iceman your correct here.. bruno never came through in the big fights, and braddock almost always did... with the exception of tommy loughran.. (joe louis- there was never any hope, he did the best he could lets be honest)

anyway, i think that a 1935 braddock def. has enough power to KO bruno... and i definatley do not think bruno would be able to ko one of the best heavyweight chins ever.. ill take braddock by KO somewhere in between round 9-12... i think braddock slowly wears him down and gets some body punches..

i think one of the advantages, which was rare for JJB who was a notoriously slow fighter, would be his speed... i think he would be able to get to the punch first..

So thats my answer.. braddock has enough power and is smart enough to fight the right fight, and of course his heart and his chin will show up like ALWAYS... Braddock By KO 9-12 rounds.

(thanks for the thread collins..always nice to see one of jjb)

theone · Post by **theone** » 06 Oct 2005, 22:55

Braddock didnt hit anywhere near as hard as the guys that knocked Bruno out. Bruno too big too strong for Braddock, wins a close decision.

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 07 Oct 2005, 05:15

bruno might eke out a decision over 12(might)but he could hardly stand after 10.over 15 braddock would probably stop an exhausted frank in 13/14 rounds.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 07 Oct 2005, 06:42

Even when Bruno won the title, he was clinging for dear life at the end......

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 07 Oct 2005, 07:49

hmmm after giving this one much consideration I've come to the following conclusion..........I have no bollocking idea

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 07 Oct 2005, 12:03

iceman, calling Braddock 'below average' just demonstrates pure stupidy and ignorance.

And Bruno . . 'bad?" I never knew 'bad' fighters would become top 10 HWs for a decade and win a portion of the HW title . . .

tennessee · Post by **tennessee** » 07 Oct 2005, 19:25

bruno's corner should tell him before the fight that this guy is just a bum, and if he believes that then he would outbox and stop braddock. i think fear was what beat frank in some of his fights

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 07 Oct 2005, 20:54

dempseyfire wrote:iceman, calling Braddock 'below average' just demonstrates pure stupidy and ignorance.

And Bruno . . 'bad?" I never knew 'bad' fighters would become top 10 HWs for a decade and win a portion of the HW title . . .

I have to agree, we get to talking in "relative" terms. Anyone who has made it to top ten status at anytime has probably been through trial by fire in life and deserves respect.

There are no bums with any of the names we banter about, I know I wouldnt want to pick a disagreement with any of them. But when we get goin the language basicaly disentegrates. Sort of human so no big deal as long as we can snap back to reality now and then. All these guys are pretty well tuned hurting machines. Probably wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of any of them.

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 07 Oct 2005, 23:01

BoxBuzz wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:iceman, calling Braddock 'below average' just demonstrates pure stupidy and ignorance.

And Bruno . . 'bad?" I never knew 'bad' fighters would become top 10 HWs for a decade and win a portion of the HW title . . .
I have to agree, we get to talking in "relative" terms. Anyone who has made it to top ten status at anytime has probably been through trial by fire in life and deserves respect.

There are no bums with any of the names we banter about, I know I wouldnt want to pick a disagreement with any of them. But when we get goin the language basicaly disentegrates. Sort of human so no big deal as long as we can snap back to reality now and then. All these guys are pretty well tuned hurting machines. Probably wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of any of them.

Listen I'm well aware that neither Bruno nor Braddock were "bad" in the sense that they were bad fighters. Relatively speaking they were, but I failed to mention that so yeah I deserve to get blasted for that. As far as top fighters go neither was very good, but of course in comparison to the boxing world as a whole they were top notch fighters.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 07 Oct 2005, 23:13

gotcha I don't think we need to grouch about that though, it's sort of a given I would think.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 08 Oct 2005, 02:26

rory one thing about braddock.

- i always thought he was around 6' and im guessing most people do, or perhaps even shorter. but braddock was actually around 6'3!!! he was in fact very tall for a heavyweight. he was a skinny mother, weighing in 180s and being 6'3. ANOTHER BIG THING, his reach was 78" which is pretty long.

many people think braddock was just a short rocky balboa guy who plouded in with no skill and won on heart. but actually brradock was a tall heavyweight with a long reach, great chin, and braddock was a boxer not slugger or swarmer. braddock had decent boxing skills.

i pick braddock over bruno TKO 13 . bruno had terrible stamina and much like his other fights, i think braddock will box with him and tire him out late in the fight and go in for the kill. braddock had a great chin so it will be tough for bruno to KO him.

braddock was only really knocked out once in his career. the other time was in his younger days when he was stopped on his feet. but braddock had a great chin, and it goes to show u how much power joe louis really had. braddock hadnt been counted out ever, and with one right hand joe louis knocked braddock out cold with perhaps the most powerful punch of joe louis's career. i cant see many other heavyweights doing that to braddock with one punch.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 08 Oct 2005, 11:26

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:rory one thing about braddock.

- i always thought he was around 6' and im guessing most people do, or perhaps even shorter. but braddock was actually around 6'3!!! he was in fact very tall for a heavyweight. he was a skinny mother, weighing in 180s and being 6'3. ANOTHER BIG THING, his reach was 78" which is pretty long.

braddock was just a short rocky balboa guy who plouded in with no skill and won on heart. brradock was a tall heavyweight with a long reach, great chin, and braddock was a boxer not slugger or swarmer. braddock had decent boxing skills.

i pick braddock over bruno TKO 13 . bruno had terrible stamina and much like his other fights, i think braddock will box with him and tire him out late in the fight and go in for the kill. braddock had a great chin so it will be tough for bruno to KO him.

braddock was only really knocked out once in his career. the other time was in his younger days when he was stopped on his feet. but braddock had a great chin, and it goes to show u how much power joe louis really had. braddock hadnt been counted out ever, and with one right hand joe louis knocked braddock out cold with perhaps the most powerful punch of joe louis's career. i cant see many other heavyweights doing that to braddock with one punch.

especially...frank bruno..

thanks for the input BB, always interesting.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 09 Oct 2005, 10:27

Collins2000 wrote:Both managed to meet up with a fairly disinterested 'champ' and became heroes for a while.

I think Braddock could win this one late, a bit like the night Bruno completely fell apart after winning the first 9 rounds against Bonecrusher Smith.

I'll give you 10 out of 10 for originality for your mythical battle!!!

I doubt that this one has been done before.

Bruno wins by KO. He's far too big & powerful.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 09 Oct 2005, 14:05

syntax, braddock has a great chin, and bruno has terrible stamina.

i see braddock stopping bruno late. braddock had a long reach was very tall 6'3, and had decent boxing skills. i think he could survive brunos onsluaght and stop bruno late like witherspoon did

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 09 Oct 2005, 14:17

Bruno outweighed Braddock by a considerable margin.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 09 Oct 2005, 14:32

yeah but that doesnt mean much in the heavyweight division

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 09 Oct 2005, 19:11

Cojimar 1945 wrote:Bruno outweighed Braddock by a considerable margin.

braddock often found himself being outweighed..in the heavyweight division it doesnt mean as much.. big is big.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 10 Oct 2005, 04:52

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:syntax, braddock has a great chin, and bruno has terrible stamina.

i see braddock stopping bruno late. braddock had a long reach was very tall 6'3, and had decent boxing skills. i think he could survive brunos onsluaght and stop bruno late like witherspoon did

Good call, I can see your point of view.

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