The Fighter...Ward v Mungin

[thepocketrocket]

Just watching for the first time and they are had a scene where Micky is in a mismatch against Mike Mungin.

I checked and Micky only lost by a round on two cards. Hollywood do like to change history

[winkveron]

Dreadful film full of potholes

[banjo]

Never seen an accurate boxing film.

[dberry]

It is a Hollywood film, it's not a documentary, I remember watching the acclaimed 'Raging Bull' and being very disappointed, as I was told, from fighters none the less, that it was very real. I watched the footage of some of those fights after the reenactments and was really underwhelmed by the film.

[Looking On]

Never seen an accurate boxing film.

always best to keep to fictional stories like Rocky , otherwise people will always manage to pick holes

[banjo]

Never seen an accurate boxing film.

always best to keep to fictional stories like Rocky , otherwise people will always manage to pick holes

I don't mind it as long as it's not completely stupid or offensive ie. Max Baers depiction in Cinderella Man.

[Old bones Ian]

It is a Hollywood film, it's not a documentary, I remember watching the acclaimed 'Raging Bull' and being very disappointed, as I was told, from fighters none the less, that it was very real. I watched the footage of some of those fights after the reenactments and was really underwhelmed by the film.

After watching the film LaMotta asked the real Vickie "Was I really like that?" Her response? "You were worse.”

[Deno1986]

Just watching for the first time and they are had a scene where Micky is in a mismatch against Mike Mungin.

I checked and Micky only lost by a round on two cards. Hollywood do like to change history

How did the movie portray that fight? I've only seen it once in the movies and I didn't like it then so doubt I'd like it now. I'm a huge Ward fan by the way.

I watched the real fight a while back and can remember thinking that Mungin looked two weight divisions above Ward in the ring. Micky suffered somewhat of a beating despite how the cards read. 96-93 was a fairer reflection imo. He boxed well for a few rounds but Mungins size and power started to take over.

[matko]

Didnt this happen in the "Hurricane" Ruben Carter getting portrayed to be robbed blind vs Joey Giardello but in reality he lost fairly? Was a good film but like some said earlier they gotta spice it up for Hollywood!! Ward is warrior full stop but would love to see a film about Jerry Quarry this guy went toe 2 toe with Ali twice, Frazier twice, Shavers, Foster, Lyle, Patterson ( think twice? ) etc etc unbelievable!! Book is good to "Hard Luck"

[Lenny]

Hurricane was pretty much all fiction

Plus this is the book that needs to be made into a film
http://www.amazon.com/Seconds-From-Glor ... 0615282245

[thepocketrocket]

Just watching for the first time and they are had a scene where Micky is in a mismatch against Mike Mungin.

I checked and Micky only lost by a round on two cards. Hollywood do like to change history

How did the movie portray that fight? I've only seen it once in the movies and I didn't like it then so doubt I'd like it now. I'm a huge Ward fan by the way.

I watched the real fight a while back and can remember thinking that Mungin looked two weight divisions above Ward in the ring. Micky suffered somewhat of a beating despite how the cards read. 96-93 was a fairer reflection imo. He boxed well for a few rounds but Mungins size and power started to take over.

It had Mungin 20lbs heavier, flooring and bashing up Ward from the word go.

Yes, the Baer representation was disgraceful....and the Carter representation is incredibly offensive to Giardello>..(didn't his estate sue?)

[orbtastic]

Hurricane was pretty much all fiction

Plus this is the book that needs to be made into a film
http://www.amazon.com/Seconds-From-Glor ... 0615282245

It would make an amazing Ralph Bakshiesque cartoon

[mahatma]

i actually enjoyed the fighter although i no there is inaccuracies in it one of them being that shea neary dropped ward in the early round s of their fight which he didnt- thought the actors and fight scenes were good as well

[Old bones Ian]

The depiction of Giardello in 'The Hurricane' is nothing but a disgrace to a decent man.

From Wiki this is what Giardello did after retiring from boxing.

After retirement, he went into private business and went back to his real name. He was an insurance salesman and later joined the Misco International Chemical Company as their New York-Philadelphia-New Jersey distributor. He had married his wife Rosalie, in 1950 with whom he had four children. He did a lot of work with the mentally handicapped, particularly for St. John of God School Community Services in Westville Grove New Jersey, where his son, Carman, afflicted with Down's Syndrome stayed for ten years. He met the Pope and was invited to President John F. Kennedy's Inaugertion. With his celebrity and title he participated in countless fundraising events for the mentally retarded and contributed his time and talent to the Special Olympics founded by Eunice Kennedy Shriver. At one event he taught the Special Olympians to jump rope.

Giardello himself sued the film makers and won in court .

[jameswilson]

I always use this film to highlight the difference between a genuinely good actor (Christian Bale, who won numerous awards for his performance) and someone who just has a good reputation in Mark Wahlberg.

Bale in the film was immaciated just like a drug addict would be and I thought he did a superb job of immitating Dick Ecklund. Wahlberg looked like a supermodel still, when he was weighing in during the film he could pass for a bodybuilder which we know is nothing like Mickey Ward, and also he just spoke in the same accent that he talks in in nearly all his films, didn't even try and sound like Mickey Ward. I'm not a Wahlberg hater at all, I thought he was great in The Departed. But thats about the only film I have watched of him and thought 'good job.'

[Dixonian]

i actually enjoyed the fighter although i no there is inaccuracies in it one of them being that shea neary dropped ward in the early round s of their fight which he didnt- thought the actors and fight scenes were good as well

Yeah you do expect inaccuracies even if some of them do jar boxing nuts like us. But the actual climax of that fight looked like a punch by punch reenactment of the real thing.

[manno]

I think it was as much about the brothers relationship as it was actual ring action. Thought Bale was excellent as the crackhead and MW did ok as Ward, nice touch to have the actual cop who trained him doing a little more than a cameo. Also they worked the 'tap to the head then go to the body' combo in which satisfied the puritan in me Good film

[thepocketrocket]

The depiction of Giardello in 'The Hurricane' is nothing but a disgrace to a decent man.

From Wiki this is what Giardello did after retiring from boxing.

After retirement, he went into private business and went back to his real name. He was an insurance salesman and later joined the Misco International Chemical Company as their New York-Philadelphia-New Jersey distributor. He had married his wife Rosalie, in 1950 with whom he had four children. He did a lot of work with the mentally handicapped, particularly for St. John of God School Community Services in Westville Grove New Jersey, where his son, Carman, afflicted with Down's Syndrome stayed for ten years. He met the Pope and was invited to President John F. Kennedy's Inaugertion. With his celebrity and title he participated in countless fundraising events for the mentally retarded and contributed his time and talent to the Special Olympics founded by Eunice Kennedy Shriver. At one event he taught the Special Olympians to jump rope.

Giardello himself sued the film makers and won in court .

Cheers Ian...knew there was legal action

[Coco]

It is a Hollywood film, it's not a documentary, I remember watching the acclaimed 'Raging Bull' and being very disappointed, as I was told, from fighters none the less, that it was very real. I watched the footage of some of those fights after the reenactments and was really underwhelmed by the film.

I read the book before seeing the film and found the film to be very disappointing. However it seems most people who only saw the film loved it!
Shea Neary's Irish accent made me laugh too!

[lillywhite14]

Neary's accent had me chucking too!

[banjo]

That was typical hollywood ignorance, Irish name? Must speak with an Irish accent. Surprised they didn't throw in a "top o the mornin ta ya" to top it off.

[Final round]

It was a decent film but the best is Raging Bull by far. Seen it many times over the years and I'm sure will see it plenty more.
Never been a Rocky fan, never seen each one more than once.

[matko]

Hurricane was pretty much all fiction

Plus this is the book that needs to be made into a film
http://www.amazon.com/Seconds-From-Glor ... 0615282245

Yea was a great fight and fighter Chavez showed great determination and heavy hands vs Taylor awesome hand speed and skills similar to sugar ray but burnt out early in his career

[thepocketrocket]

Steele is stopping it with about seven or eight seconds left. More than enough time for JCC to run over and detonate a left hook

[bynino]

That was typical hollywood ignorance, Irish name? Must speak with an Irish accent. Surprised they didn't throw in a "top o the mornin ta ya" to top it off.

he spoke with a scottish accent in that haha
was funny