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Boxing monthly BFOTY

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Matthews v Crolla
runner up
Brook/Jones
Hope v Proksa
Senchenko v Hatton
Froch v Bute
Crolla v Farrell
Welborn v Haywood
Miles v Woodhouse

Haye v Chisora was omitted strangely which was arguably the biggest domestic clash of the year as big an event as Hatton/Senchenko and it was a better fight, performance and finish but no mention at all?
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Did everyone in the office choose a fight or something?
Welborn v Haywood's last round was good but the quality in the rounds before was of poor standard to be included in FOTY.
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Did it state the criteria used in selecting fights? If the main criterion or only criterion was entertainment, I can understand why the Haye-Chisora wasn't selected.

Chisora plodded after Haye and never landed anything of note; Haye comfortably won every round boxing on the back foot and throwing conservatively; there were few, if any, good two-way exchanges; and nothing eye-catching or dramatic occurred until the stoppage, but if that qualifies the bout for fight of the year why exclude so many other bouts that end with a good knockout?

At least Hatton-Senchenko was very competitive and featured momentum shifts, with Hatton starting strong, Senchenko picking up in the middle rounds, and Hatton getting a second-wind in the final round before Senchenko, down on every card, suddenly stopped him.
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crusader wrote:Did it state the criteria used in selecting fights? If the main criterion or only criterion was entertainment, I can understand why the Haye-Chisora wasn't selected.

Chisora plodded after Haye and never landed anything of note; Haye comfortably won every round boxing on the back foot and throwing conservatively; there were few, if any, good two-way exchanges; and nothing eye-catching or dramatic occurred until the stoppage, but if that qualifies the bout for fight of the year why exclude so many other bouts that end with a good knockout?

At least Hatton-Senchenko was very competitive and featured momentum shifts, with Hatton starting strong, Senchenko picking up in the middle rounds, and Hatton getting a second-wind in the final round before Senchenko, down on every card, suddenly stopped him.

Chisora 'plodded' :roll: forward, yeah that's HW for you. He tried to get in range and when he caught Haye there was real anticipation that he might get on top. Hayes performance was skillful and showed up some lumbering palookas at the weight how to do it.
Ricky was utterly faded from his former glory , full of derring do with woeful timing and Senchenko was poor for much of the fight unitl Ricky was blowing out of his arse.
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Why must a skillful performance make a bout entertaining? Skillful performances can be very boring because one fighter is greatly superior to the other or they employ their skill such that that there are few exchanges and momentum shifts, and little competitive action and drama. These factors tend to contribute to how entertaining bouts are, and if you've noted the lack of entertainment in Wlad Klitschko, Cory Spinks, or Miguel Vasquez bouts you probably understand this. In using his skill, Haye's output was conservative and he sought to counter rather than trade, which was smart boxing, but it limited the occurence of the factors described above, and thus in my opinion it limited the entertainment that often follows from those factors.

When did Chisora catch Haye and generally have people anticipating that Chisora was going to get on top? Haye easily won every round beyond doubt and was never troubled; he never had to bounce back from an unfavorable round or even unfavorable moments in a round, so how people could anticipate that Chisora was getting on top is beyond me.

Why does Hatton's state matter? I clearly mentioned that I was addressing the bouts from an entertainment perspective, and I fail to see why being past one's best must impair how entertaining their bouts are. Hatton-Senchenko featured close rounds and competitive exchanges, both fighters gaining and losing the upper hand throughout the bout, and the underdog scoring a sudden come from behind stoppage in a round Hatton was winning. Haye-Chisora featured one-sided rounds and few competitive exchanges, no momentum shifts, and a knockout scored by a fighter who had won every round without problems.
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crusader wrote:How does a skillful performance make the bout entertaining? Some of the most skillful performances can be the most boring because one fighter is so superior to the other that there is little competitive action, drama, or momentum shifts, factors which tend to contribute to how entertaining a bout is; if you've complained about the lack of entertainment in Wlad Klitschko bouts you probably understand this. In using his skill, Haye's output was also conservative and he sought to counter rather than trade, which was smart boxing and probably wise strategy, but it limited the frequency of exchanges and the entertainment that often follows from that.

When did Chisora catch Haye and have people anticipating that Chisora was going to get on top? Haye easily won every round beyond doubt, and was never seriously troubled. Do you think the fight should be selected for fight of the year in part because people thought something that never happened might have happened?

Who cares what state Hatton was in? I clearly mentioned that I was addressing the bouts from an entertainment perspective, and I fail to see why being past one's best must impair how entertaining a bout is. That bout was far more competitive and featured far more drama and momentum shifts than Haye's invariably one-sided boxing clinic over Chisora did.
Well maybe Haye/Chisora, should have got a mention in Brit performances of the year, ..
Surely the standard of fighters achievements ,previous performances should have an impact in evaluation ala Froch v Bute getting a nomination. That was completely one-sided but the magnitude and manner of the victory raises it above a straight up throw fest. You could say Hayes KO of Chisora was as conclusive in the end and has certainly put his name in the frame with the boys at the top again.
I just think it was a performance of a high standard which didn't get recognized
BFOTY isn't just chucking leather imo
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I'm just talking about the bouts from an entertainment perspective.

If the profile of the fights, the significance of their outcomes, or the quality of a fighter's performance independent of the entertainment it provides are heavily weighted, I get your point, as I cannot see any other reason for including a bout like Froch-Bute, which was simply a drubbing characteristic of many mismatched bouts. Yet if those factors are heavily weighted, Chisora-Haye seems like it would be an appropriate selection.
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I just see Miles v Woodhouse , Welborn v Haywood have got a mention...decent scraps but Foty quality wise..nah..
I mean to watch the Hatton fight again, now I picture him falling short, timing well out.. Senchenko gaining confidence...
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