The Sugar Ray Leonard FORMULA

[scallum]

I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

A vicious Heavyweight Champion in the vein of a Mike Tyson would bring the fans back around. As long as he was from the States. For the most part the sport is doing fine though, it has a relatively small fanbase compared to other sports, but a very passionate one.

At this point we just need a Very good big man from the states imo he dosent have to be a monster like Tyson. If we could get a Riddic Bowe type with much better defense The Fans , interest would peak again

[SaadOffTheDeck]

We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ray took on all comers because that was how you got paid then. He'd have been more than willing to dance around Carlos baldomir for 8 million.

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I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

Are you being sarcastic?

[Ezzard]

We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ray took on all comers because that was how you got paid then. He'd have been more than willing to dance around Carlos baldomir for 8 million.

No doubt...but he could have done a Holmes and put layer after layer of cheap pasta between the sauce... I think we should give him credit for what he did do and not offer excuses for what goes on today.

I do appreciate different eras etc...

[Ezzard]

We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Erm ,I think you will find he admitted he did exactly that. Juanita I believe was the lady's name. Something about cocaine abuse I recall.

Careful not to sprain your wrist when you pat yourself on the back...

Sorry, just one of my fave Jim Thompson quotes...

Just that everybody knows this. But any bad behaviour by Ray has been trumped in recent times...

[SaadOffTheDeck]

We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Erm ,I think you will find he admitted he did exactly that. Juanita I believe was the lady's name. Something about cocaine abuse I recall.

Careful not to sprain your wrist when you pat yourself on the back...

Sorry, just one of my fave Jim Thompson quotes...

Just that everybody knows this. But any bad behaviour by Ray has been trumped in recent times...

Don't mind that rancid troll, he's found a new playground. Ignore it and it will go away.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

We live in poorer times… If Ray were around today he’d have to beat up his wife in front of his kids, avoid any real challenges in his career, mouth off to old bloke commentators and racially abuse his biggest rival in order to be as commercially successful…

If he did all that he could fight in many of the weakest spectacles in boxing history and still make shit loads…

Ray might have liked things his way. And the favouritism stuck in my throat later in his career. but he fought in a crowd-pleasing style and took on everyone, in the end. He was foie gras compared to the eyeballs and testicles they put in the burgers today…

Ray took on all comers because that was how you got paid then. He'd have been more than willing to dance around Carlos baldomir for 8 million.

No doubt...but he could have done a Holmes and put layer after layer of cheap pasta between the sauce... I think we should give him credit for what he did do and not offer excuses for what goes on today.

I do appreciate different eras etc...

I definitely give him credit for it, his top 4 wins are the greatest of any fighter imo. I just find it hard to believe he'd be much different than Mayweather if given the opportunity.

[Ezzard]

Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

Floyd could never beat Hearns, but he'd fight who he needed to fight to make money. I think they're a lot alike. Both of them put on tremendously fake facades in the media to generate money, Floyd the villain and Leonard the hero when neither has a personality that fits the role.

I don't see any era where mayweather isn't a great fighter.

[Ezzard]

Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

Floyd could never beat Hearns, but he'd fight who he needed to fight to make money. I think they're a lot alike. Both of them put on tremendously fake facades in the media to generate money, Floyd the villain and Leonard the hero when neither has a personality that fits the role.

I don't see any era where mayweather isn't a great fighter.

Back then he's Benitez great. But I agree.

[Jaywheel]

At this point we just need a Very good big man from the states imo he dosent have to be a monster like Tyson. If we could get a Riddic Bowe type with much better defense The Fans , interest would peak again

you think that's all that we'd need?

[Ezzard]

Surely a super talented Chinese HW makes more sense… Bigger population, more fans…

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Maybe, but I wouldn't credit Floyd with doing the Leonard thing if he'd been around in the 80s.

To be honest I don't think his style would garner him much support back then, or as much success.

- I hate this triple embed rule... can't it just be set to do it for me?

Floyd could never beat Hearns, but he'd fight who he needed to fight to make money. I think they're a lot alike. Both of them put on tremendously fake facades in the media to generate money, Floyd the villain and Leonard the hero when neither has a personality that fits the role.

I don't see any era where mayweather isn't a great fighter.

Back then he's Benitez great. But I agree.

Absolutely, he's not Leonard's equal in the ring. Just a better person outside of it.

[MEISINGER]

saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

[SaadOffTheDeck]

saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

I've despised him since I was 11 years old. 32 years and the hate grows exponentially by the hour.

[MEISINGER]

saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

I've despised him since I was 11 years old. 32 years and the hate grows exponentially by the hour.

we are the same exact age with the same exact story
i think the guy was an unreal talent but so over rated as a fighter and a human being

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At this point we just need a Very good big man from the states imo he dosent have to be a monster like Tyson. If we could get a Riddic Bowe type with much better defense The Fans , interest would peak again[/quo

you think that's all that we'd need?

Gots to start somewhere. A very good / great heavy would do wonders for the sport

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saad i thought i was the biggest leonard basher on here

I've despised him since I was 11 years old. 32 years and the hate grows exponentially by the hour.

That is true dislike of the man.

[Ambling Alp II]

I think the sport is way past the point where one big superstar can bring it back to anywhere near where it once was. Most people have absolutely no idea who Mayweather or Pac is.

Are you being sarcastic?

No, not all. I am being dead serious. Approach 10 random people. Ask them if they know who Floyd Mayweather is. See how many respond that he is a boxer. Doubt if more than 3 could tell you that.
Or hold a picture of him (without boxing gear on) and ask them to name this person.
Than ask if any if they had ever seen him fight. You may not get any.

[elmersalsa]

The Complete Book of Formula's, by Dr. Gerhard Schweitzer

The Ray Leonard Formula

1 Part = Talent
1 Part = Luck
1 Part = Timing
1 Part = Charisma
1 Part = Management
1 Part = Trainer
1 Part = Financial Backing
1 Part = Television Network Exposure
1 Part = Publicist/Marketing Team
1 Part = Sugar

That is a great formula. Leonard catched on the opportunity. But, man, he was a TERRIFIC GREAT that could have been a greater fighter if not because of the detached retina.