Former Pro in Serious Trouble

[Superheavy]

its amazing how many off these stories take place in a Kebab / Takeaway place

Maybe Frank-Warren should look to hire the Spicy chicken for one off his next Big shows

Topping the bill - Well known boxer / local celeb v TBA!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

its amazing how many off these stories take place in a Kebab / Takeaway place

Maybe Frank-Warren should look to hire the Spicy chicken for one off his next Big shows

Topping the bill - Well known boxer / local celeb v TBA!

The fights are all at catchweight too.

[binipop]

I haven't been out in my local town for about a year and I have only been out once or twice in the last 3 years. I don't drink anymore hangovers hurt a lot and effect my training too much.

Unlucky, but if you build a public profile and people 'know you' locally as a boxer then nights in are mandatory.

Reminds me of a story of Mark Owen when he was in Take That who thought because he was from around there he could still go out nightclubbing in Oldham, only for some nobhead to hit him (in a kebab shop/Chinese chippy) and shout 'take that' Mark Owen hasn't done anything to anyone but that won't stop the idiots.

Gary Stetch got KO'd in the spicy chicken in St Helens but that was thoroughly deserved by all accounts - what is it about kebab shops and violence?

Yep, Dean Francis and Martin Murray also been in the wrong place at the wrong time (i.e. Kebab shop late on). Curtis Woodhouse had more money, of course. His was in a sit-down Indian.

I've never met him but from what i've heard a few people have been in the wrong place as Martin Murray at the wrong time. That's not a comment on what he's like as a person now and i'm not suggesting he deserved whatever happened to him in the kebab shop incident as he's obviously turned his life right round but not everybody in St Helens is totally enamoured with him.

[Wales]

First time I Interviewed Martin he said himself he'd been a dick and prison was the kick up the arse he needed.

Old cliche, but you'll struggle to meet a nicer lad in boxing at the moment.

Not sure of many boxers that have had a completley faultless run through life, as someone said previous, theyre a target for the wannabee hardmen.

[bripez]

First time I Interviewed Martin he said himself he'd been a dick and prison was the kick up the arse he needed.

Hasn't Murray been in prison more than once ?

It wasn't for fighting in kebab shops was it ?

[Counter-puncher]

chipshop taxi rank what's the difference?

[dondada]

I've never met him but from what i've heard a few people have been in the wrong place as Martin Murray at the wrong time. That's not a comment on what he's like as a person now and i'm not suggesting he deserved whatever happened to him in the kebab shop incident as he's obviously turned his life right round but not everybody in St Helens is totally enamoured with him.

Oh aye, can quite believe it. When I say 'wrong place, wrong time' I'm not absolving him of responsibility - in fact, he wouldn't do that himself. As you say, he certainly has turned his life around so that's good, at least.

[Wales]

It wasn't for fighting in kebab shops was it ?

No.

As you say, he certainly has turned his life around so that's good, at least.

Indeed, and considering I first spoke to him around 2006 it just goes to show how mud sticks.

[bripez]

I've never met him but from what i've heard a few people have been in the wrong place as Martin Murray at the wrong time. That's not a comment on what he's like as a person now and i'm not suggesting he deserved whatever happened to him in the kebab shop incident as he's obviously turned his life right round but not everybody in St Helens is totally enamoured with him.

Oh aye, can quite believe it. When I say 'wrong place, wrong time' I'm not absolving him of responsibility - in fact, he wouldn't do that himself. As you say, he certainly has turned his life around so that's good, at least.

Like most people I only know what I read - eg. Murray was refused a visa to the USA.

There are a couple of vague comments on this thread which led me to a quick google search.

I found an interview that Murray did with Boxing News a couple of years ago and he said that he has been inside 4 times - that is some serious "wrong place, wrong time" situation.

[Old bones Ian]

Was it Darren Barker that went to help someone who was being done by a group of lads, only for the group to turn on him.
Something i've had the mispleasure of happening to me as well, or my time i went to stop a lad shoving his girl about in the street, only to get a shoe round the head from her!

wonderful times we live in

[dondada]

Like most people I only know what I read - eg. Murray was refused a visa to the USA.

There are a couple of vague comments on this thread which led me to a quick google search.

I found an interview that Murray did with Boxing News a couple of years ago and he said that he has been inside 4 times - that is some serious "wrong place, wrong time" situation.

Let me have another go

The thread turned towards takeaways as a place of boxers in bother. I merely pointed out that Dean Francis and Martin Murray were two boxers who had such bother and perhaps, on that occasion, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (unless he actually wanted a brawl).

There have been other occasions where he has been in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', quite literally, through self-determination as opposed to my previous use of the phrase which was more euphemistic.

What I'm saying is that a lot of his previous trouble was entirely down to him and he'd tell you that himself.

[bripez]

Like most people I only know what I read - eg. Murray was refused a visa to the USA.

There are a couple of vague comments on this thread which led me to a quick google search.

I found an interview that Murray did with Boxing News a couple of years ago and he said that he has been inside 4 times - that is some serious "wrong place, wrong time" situation.

Let me have another go

The thread turned towards takeaways as a place of boxers in bother. I merely pointed out that Dean Francis and Martin Murray were two boxers who had such bother and perhaps, on that occasion, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (unless he actually wanted a brawl).

There have been other occasions where he has been in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', quite literally, through self-determination as opposed to my previous use of the phrase which was more euphemistic.

What I'm saying is that a lot of his previous trouble was entirely down to him and he'd tell you that himself.

Have another go at what ?

I understand that most people could find themselves "in the wrong place at the wrong time", but to find yourself actually sent down 4 times would suggest that there is a trend developing (whether this is Murray or anybody else).

[dondada]

Like most people I only know what I read - eg. Murray was refused a visa to the USA.

There are a couple of vague comments on this thread which led me to a quick google search.

I found an interview that Murray did with Boxing News a couple of years ago and he said that he has been inside 4 times - that is some serious "wrong place, wrong time" situation.

Let me have another go

The thread turned towards takeaways as a place of boxers in bother. I merely pointed out that Dean Francis and Martin Murray were two boxers who had such bother and perhaps, on that occasion, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time (unless he actually wanted a brawl).

There have been other occasions where he has been in the 'wrong place at the wrong time', quite literally, through self-determination as opposed to my previous use of the phrase which was more euphemistic.

What I'm saying is that a lot of his previous trouble was entirely down to him and he'd tell you that himself.

Have another go at what ?

I understand that most people could find themselves "in the wrong place at the wrong time", but to find yourself actually sent down 4 times would suggest that there is a trend developing (whether this is Murray or anybody else).

Jesus. I was having another go at trying to say I agree with you.

[saturday_kid]

Just read that Peter Nightingale (Midlands area champ and fought some quality guys) has got eight years for Manslaughter

The Nightingale's as a family are hardly whiter than white tbh - but in this case apparently it was the other fella that started the trouble

[Wales]

Just read that Peter Nightingale (Midlands area champ and fought some quality guys) has got eight years for Manslaughter

The Nightingale's as a family are hardly whiter than white tbh - but in this case apparently it was the other fella that started the trouble

Although the other guy isnt around to disagree

[bripez]

Just read that Peter Nightingale (Midlands area champ and fought some quality guys) has got eight years for Manslaughter

The Nightingale's as a family are hardly whiter than white tbh - but in this case apparently it was the other fella that started the trouble

Isn't it always ? ..........

[saturday_kid]

I'm just saying whats going around by people who were there/people from that area.

Also I think a lot of you see boxers as bloody angels who get started on by pissed up louts - I know of lots of incidents round the west mids where the boxers have been the pissed up louts/or just bullies.

[dondada]

Brett just got seven years. I think three will be on tag or something. He pleaded guilty - he'd quite clearly have got longer if convicted with a not guilty plea and it sounds like he was banged to rights.

Looking at his record, the first of his two defeats in a 2-2 career was to one Charlie Coke. Ironic as he'd been taking cocaine on the evening in question.

[SteveDow]

The punishment for this sort of thing entirely depends on the facts of the case.

In Woody's situation, it seems clear that a self defence argument could be put forward as he was forced into punching his assailants to protect himself and did so in response to being attacked. He would then be unlucky to be convicted of any offence unless the jury was convinced he used excessive force which seems unlikely given the facts and the number of people attacking him.

The situation is obviously entirely different if a person attacks another without provocation or reason and as a result of that the person they have attacked dies. In that case, even if the intention is not to kill you can still be convicted of murder if you have the intention to cause the other person really serious harm or manslaughter if no intention exists.

It's a very grey area.