Bundrage/Smith and undercard RBR.

[Evander]

The opening round was sloppy but the 10-8 knockdown in round 2 gave Bundrage the early edge,clear hook to the body.
Rounds 3,4 and 5 were a mixture of battle jabs,occasional right hands and running.
By the end of the 6th round Smith was starting to shape up, there was a serious effort on his part.
Even though I'd noticed it previously, I thought Bundrage should have been warned with point deductions due to his behind the head shots in the 7th.
Bundrage won the 8th round after an early right hand from Smith landed, Bundrage scored with a decent right hand and left hook in the last minute,he landed the telling punches.
Bundrage was cut in the 9th, he point scored with a bodyshot and a straight right, Smith's late flurry may have won it though.
Smith won the 10th round cleaner than any other round, upstairs and downstairs with the backing of a solid jab.
Smith went to the body and Bundrage to the head,Smith's late attack may have stole the 11th but it was close.
Rounds 3-4-5 were a battle of the jabs, the 12th round was a battle of the overhand rights which Smith won.


1. Bundrage 10-9
2. Bundrage 10-8
3. Smith 10-9
4. Smith 10-9
5. Smith 10-9
6. Smith 10-9
7 .Smith 10-9
8. Bundrage 10-9
9. Smith 10-9
10.Smith 10-9
11.Smith 10-9
12.Smith 10-9

Smith 116
Bundrage 111

[Rover]

The opening round was sloppy but the 10-8 knockdown in round 2 gave Bundrage the early edge,clear hook to the body.
Rounds 3,4 and 5 were a mixture of battle jabs,occasional right hands and running.
By the end of the 6th round Smith was starting to shape up, there was a serious effort on his part.
Even though I'd noticed it previously, I thought Bundrage should have been warned with point deductions due to his behind the head shots in the 7th.
Bundrage won the 8th round after an early right hand from Smith landed, Bundrage scored with a decent right hand and left hook in the last minute,he landed the telling punches.
Bundrage was cut in the 9th, he point scored with a bodyshot and a straight right, Smith's late flurry may have won it though.
Smith won the 10th round cleaner than any other round, upstairs and downstairs with the backing of a solid jab.
Smith went to the body and Bundrage to the head,Smith's late attack may have stole the 11th but it was close.
Rounds 3-4-5 were a battle of the jabs, the 12th round was a battle of the overhand rights which Smith won.


1. Bundrage 10-9
2. Bundrage 10-8
3. Smith 10-9
4. Smith 10-9
5. Smith 10-9
6. Smith 10-9
7 .Smith 10-9
8. Bundrage 10-9
9. Smith 10-9
10.Smith 10-9
11.Smith 10-9
12.Smith 10-9

Smith 116
Bundrage 111

Bundrage could not possibly have won the second 10-8 because the ref took a point away from him. There also was no KD called.

[Evander]

The opening round was sloppy but the 10-8 knockdown in round 2 gave Bundrage the early edge,clear hook to the body.
Rounds 3,4 and 5 were a mixture of battle jabs,occasional right hands and running.
By the end of the 6th round Smith was starting to shape up, there was a serious effort on his part.
Even though I'd noticed it previously, I thought Bundrage should have been warned with point deductions due to his behind the head shots in the 7th.
Bundrage won the 8th round after an early right hand from Smith landed, Bundrage scored with a decent right hand and left hook in the last minute,he landed the telling punches.
Bundrage was cut in the 9th, he point scored with a bodyshot and a straight right, Smith's late flurry may have won it though.
Smith won the 10th round cleaner than any other round, upstairs and downstairs with the backing of a solid jab.
Smith went to the body and Bundrage to the head,Smith's late attack may have stole the 11th but it was close.
Rounds 3-4-5 were a battle of the jabs, the 12th round was a battle of the overhand rights which Smith won.


1. Bundrage 10-9
2. Bundrage 10-8
3. Smith 10-9
4. Smith 10-9
5. Smith 10-9
6. Smith 10-9
7 .Smith 10-9
8. Bundrage 10-9
9. Smith 10-9
10.Smith 10-9
11.Smith 10-9
12.Smith 10-9

Smith 116
Bundrage 111

Bundrage could not possibly have won the second 10-8 because the ref took a point away from him. There also was no KD called.

With all respect Rover you have to remember what sport we are watching here.
Judges and referees in boxing have very little if no credibility at all.
I couldn't care less what most of them say or do while a fight is going on because they have consistently shown that they are incapable of performing their duties to an acceptable standard.
I have watched the 2nd round a number of times now and that was a perfectly legitimate knockdown and the point deduction ridiculous, I firmly stand by the 10-8 score.

[Rover]

The opening round was sloppy but the 10-8 knockdown in round 2 gave Bundrage the early edge,clear hook to the body.
Rounds 3,4 and 5 were a mixture of battle jabs,occasional right hands and running.
By the end of the 6th round Smith was starting to shape up, there was a serious effort on his part.
Even though I'd noticed it previously, I thought Bundrage should have been warned with point deductions due to his behind the head shots in the 7th.
Bundrage won the 8th round after an early right hand from Smith landed, Bundrage scored with a decent right hand and left hook in the last minute,he landed the telling punches.
Bundrage was cut in the 9th, he point scored with a bodyshot and a straight right, Smith's late flurry may have won it though.
Smith won the 10th round cleaner than any other round, upstairs and downstairs with the backing of a solid jab.
Smith went to the body and Bundrage to the head,Smith's late attack may have stole the 11th but it was close.
Rounds 3-4-5 were a battle of the jabs, the 12th round was a battle of the overhand rights which Smith won.


1. Bundrage 10-9
2. Bundrage 10-8
3. Smith 10-9
4. Smith 10-9
5. Smith 10-9
6. Smith 10-9
7 .Smith 10-9
8. Bundrage 10-9
9. Smith 10-9
10.Smith 10-9
11.Smith 10-9
12.Smith 10-9

Smith 116
Bundrage 111

Bundrage could not possibly have won the second 10-8 because the ref took a point away from him. There also was no KD called.

With all respect Rover you have to remember what sport we are watching here.
Judges and referees in boxing have very little if no credibility at all.
I couldn't care less what most of them say or do while a fight is going on because they have consistently shown that they are incapable of performing their duties to an acceptable standard.
I have watched the 2nd round a number of times now and that was a perfectly legitimate knockdown and the point deduction ridiculous, I firmly stand by the 10-8 score.

When the ref deducts a point, it's automatically deducted. That's it. If you were a scoring judge, it'd have been a 9-8 round. What part of mandatory don't you understand? By your logic, why even score on the 10-point must system? Why not score on the amateur system if you want to disregard scoring rules? When the ref deducts a point, it's automatically deducted from the score. Hence it is impossible that Bundrage could've received 10 points in that round, period.
The ABC also prohibits scoring rounds below 10-6 (not including point deductions).
But in your world, you could score a round 10-5 even though that's not how the judges could possibly score it pursuant to the rules.
What's the point of scoring a fight?
To compare to the judges.
There's no point in doing that if you're going to score using different rules.

[Evander]

Perhaps you're are having some difficulty understanding.
I don't recognize many of the results in boxing like I don't recognize many of the decisions made by referee's during a bout.
I score the fight the way I see it, not the way you see it, not the way the commentary team see it or the way a referee see's it.

You ask what is the point of scoring a fight ? To compare to the judges.
No I have mentioned previously that I don't care what the judges think, they mean nothing to me most of the time.
I'm independent and call the fight the way I see it.
I'm not paid or owned by any of the organizations, I have no other agenda than to call the bout as fairly as I possibly can.
You should remember that referee's can be very partial to certain promoters and organizations, they got to eat like the rest of us if you are picking up what I'm putting down.
I think if you examine the fight and my card I believe you will be hard pressed to disagree with it.
This is my card and how I viewed the fight, it's very simple.
If you have any arguments it should be with the referee, please I urge you to take a close look at the 2nd round knockdown.
As for the point deduction all the referee did was point into the air and motion ever so slightly with his finger in Bundrage's direction,it certainly wasn't clear and the referee looked confused and appeared like he couldn't make up his mind.
I still have the fight recorded, so if at any point you wish to go over it with me I'll gladly oblige.

[Bobbyptsd]

Perhaps you're are having some difficulty understanding.
I don't recognize many of the results in boxing like I don't recognize many of the decisions made by referee's during a bout.
I score the fight the way I see it, not the way you see it, not the way the commentary team see it or the way a referee see's it.

You ask what is the point of scoring a fight ? To compare to the judges.
No I have mentioned previously that I don't care what the judges think, they mean nothing to me most of the time.
I'm independent and call the fight the way I see it.
I'm not paid or owned by any of the organizations, I have no other agenda than to call the bout as fairly as I possibly can.
You should remember that referee's can be very partial to certain promoters and organizations, they got to eat like the rest of us if you are picking up what I'm putting down.
I think if you examine the fight and my card I believe you will be hard pressed to disagree with it.
This is my card and how I viewed the fight, it's very simple.
If you have any arguments it should be with the referee, please I urge you to take a close look at the 2nd round knockdown.
As for the point deduction all the referee did was point into the air and motion ever so slightly with his finger in Bundrage's direction,it certainly wasn't clear and the referee looked confused and appeared like he couldn't make up his mind.
I still have the fight recorded, so if at any point you wish to go over it with me I'll gladly oblige.

You can't compare yourself to the judges, when you aren't even using the same scoring system as them. Mandatory point deductions are just that, mandatory. Not everything has to do with corruption. The ref saw it one way, and his call results in a point deduction. It's part of the scoring.

That's like me arguing with the result of a football match, because I don't think the ball crossed the line when the ref said it did. "team A didn't win because that goal didn't count, team B did." I mean if we are just going to make up our own alternate realities at some point...

[Rover]

Perhaps you're are having some difficulty understanding.
I don't recognize many of the results in boxing like I don't recognize many of the decisions made by referee's during a bout.
I score the fight the way I see it, not the way you see it, not the way the commentary team see it or the way a referee see's it.

You ask what is the point of scoring a fight ? To compare to the judges.
No I have mentioned previously that I don't care what the judges think, they mean nothing to me most of the time.
I'm independent and call the fight the way I see it.
I'm not paid or owned by any of the organizations, I have no other agenda than to call the bout as fairly as I possibly can.
You should remember that referee's can be very partial to certain promoters and organizations, they got to eat like the rest of us if you are picking up what I'm putting down.
I think if you examine the fight and my card I believe you will be hard pressed to disagree with it.
This is my card and how I viewed the fight, it's very simple.
If you have any arguments it should be with the referee, please I urge you to take a close look at the 2nd round knockdown.
As for the point deduction all the referee did was point into the air and motion ever so slightly with his finger in Bundrage's direction,it certainly wasn't clear and the referee looked confused and appeared like he couldn't make up his mind.
I still have the fight recorded, so if at any point you wish to go over it with me I'll gladly oblige.

You're the one who's having a hard time understanding.
Your argument is as silly as saying you scored the round 7-5. The rule mandates 10 point must except where there's a point deduction (or more). Likewise, per the ABC, rounds can't be scored lower than 10-6 except for point deductions.
And when the ref takes a point, nitwit, the judges are required to deduct it.
It doesn't matter whether or not they agree or disagree with the call.
We do unofficial scoring to compare our cards with the judges, and then we trash the judges if they err. But you can't criticize judges for having scored a round a certain way (at most 9 points for Bundrage) when they were *required* to have done so.
So your score of that round is based in Fantasy Land, not according to the applicable scoring rules under which the fight was fought.
Whether or not you agree with the ref is irrelevant to the scoring with respect to a point deduction.

[Rover]

Perhaps you're are having some difficulty understanding.
I don't recognize many of the results in boxing like I don't recognize many of the decisions made by referee's during a bout.
I score the fight the way I see it, not the way you see it, not the way the commentary team see it or the way a referee see's it.

You ask what is the point of scoring a fight ? To compare to the judges.
No I have mentioned previously that I don't care what the judges think, they mean nothing to me most of the time.
I'm independent and call the fight the way I see it.
I'm not paid or owned by any of the organizations, I have no other agenda than to call the bout as fairly as I possibly can.
You should remember that referee's can be very partial to certain promoters and organizations, they got to eat like the rest of us if you are picking up what I'm putting down.
I think if you examine the fight and my card I believe you will be hard pressed to disagree with it.
This is my card and how I viewed the fight, it's very simple.
If you have any arguments it should be with the referee, please I urge you to take a close look at the 2nd round knockdown.
As for the point deduction all the referee did was point into the air and motion ever so slightly with his finger in Bundrage's direction,it certainly wasn't clear and the referee looked confused and appeared like he couldn't make up his mind.
I still have the fight recorded, so if at any point you wish to go over it with me I'll gladly oblige.

You can't compare yourself to the judges, when you aren't even using the same scoring system as them. Mandatory point deductions are just that, mandatory. Not everything has to do with corruption. The ref saw it one way, and his call results in a point deduction. It's part of the scoring.

That's like me arguing with the result of a football match, because I don't think the ball crossed the line when the ref said it did. "team A didn't win because that goal didn't count, team B did." I mean if we are just going to make up our own alternate realities at some point...

Exactly. It's impossible to have awarded Bundrage 10 points when *scoring* that round because a point was taken away. This twit could never be a judge because he wouldn't follow the rules--like the one that says when the ref takes a point, it's mandatory. This clown's scorecards are based in Fantasy Land.

[Rover]

Let's ssee if this dunce now tells us that he's going to score on the 12-point must system.

Christ, I can't believe there's someone dumb enough to have awarded a fighter 10 points in a round where he got a point deducted.

[Rover]

I guess in Evander's world a judge should be "independent" and ignore the ref's orders. Rules? What rules? Viva anarchy!

[Rover]

19-18 K9 providing there is no 10 point must system.

See, Evander? Here's an example of someone who understands how to score a fight. Judges have nothing to do with point deductions.

[Rover]

Let's reverse the situation just to show even more how idiotic this position really is.
A clearly wins a round from B, but one judge thinks A should've been penalized for holding. Should the judge score the round 9-9? Keep in mind: there's a ten-point must system.
The answer for anyone with minimal intelligence is "no." The judges aren't the ref. The ref handles point deductions (or a lack thereof). The judges score the rounds and include separately the deductions by the ref.
Except...in Evander's alternate universe.

[Bobbyptsd]

My scorecard was 5,000-23 for Bundrage.

It would have 10,000,000 if it weren't for the second round.

Now this is reasonable.

[Rover]

My scorecard was 5,000-23 for Bundrage.

It would have 10,000,000 if it weren't for the second round.

[Rover]

My scorecard was 5,000-23 for Bundrage.

It would have 10,000,000 if it weren't for the second round.

Now this is reasonable.

[Rover]

I thought everyone made up their own scoring rules.

:??

In Fantasy Land.:)

[Rover]

Perhaps I should start scoring fights on a point must system that changes each round.
Round 1: 8
2: 4
3: 17
4: 39
5: 11
6: 43
7: 81
8: 10 (keeping a little uniformity with the real world)
9: 13
10: 29
11: 93
12: 1,000

[Bobbyptsd]

Perhaps I should start scoring fights on a point must system that changes each round.
Round 1: 8
2: 4
3: 17
4: 39
5: 11
6: 43
7: 81
8: 10 (keeping a little uniformity with the real world)
9: 13
10: 29
11: 93
12: 1,000

That reminds me of something I heard on a parody of a game show, I think it was The Simpsons:

"And now for the final round which is worth 1000 points, making all the other rounds a complete waste of time."

[Rover]

Perhaps I should start scoring fights on a point must system that changes each round.
Round 1: 8
2: 4
3: 17
4: 39
5: 11
6: 43
7: 81
8: 10 (keeping a little uniformity with the real world)
9: 13
10: 29
11: 93
12: 1,000

That reminds me of something I heard on a parody of a game show, I think it was The Simpsons:

"And now for the final round which is worth 1000 points, making all the other rounds a complete waste of time."

[Rover]

Come to think of it, I should use different point must systems not only in each round but in each fight. I'll decide as each fight goes along how many points each round will be worth.

[Rover]

So, using my new and improved scoring system:
Rd. 1:
8-3 Bundrage.

[Rover]

Rd. 2: 3-0 Bundrage (including point deduction)

[Rover]

Round 3: 17-4 Bundrage.

[Rover]

Round 4: 39-32 Smith.

[Rover]

Round 5: 11-3 Smith.