jezzamundo wrote:lEWIS is THE SMARTEST FIGHTER OF ALL TIME, HE ALWAYS ACCEPTED TO FIGHT WHEN HIS opponents were out of shape or finished that happened with fat tyson holyfield and the guy lost with B rank boxers like rahman or mcall(former punch bag of tyson) couldn t knockout tua or an old tucker and he lost with 18 years old against tyson kevin rooney stated
that.
Ali is much better than lewis.
Bowe won by KO against holyfield lewis couldn t do the same.
Tyson didn t have oposition and what about lewis ?
Zeljko Mavrovic was that great opposition lewis had, or an old holyfield and the 38 years old tyson with 234 pounds,come on why lewis didn t fought with tyson between 86-88???? lewis is older than tyson what happened????Lewis couldn t kept the title for 3 straight years and in the last 3 years he only fought 4 times
Ali fighting against lewis would be a replay of foreman fight.
Ali hated arrogant fighters like lewis and when ali hated ali smashed
seriously don t joke with boxing you can t compare a guy with 44 fights
like lewis against others with 58 or more like Ali or tyson you know
Octopus lewis was slow didn t have any skills in the defense Ali was much faster and had great reflexes.Lewis couldn t knockout klitscko can someone imagine that
Hmm, some good points there but not very well put to be quite frank. Looking at his quality of opposition, Lewis's career looks quite impressive (IMO moreso than any other heavy since the 70s). As you pointed out though, Lewis never had a career defining win (some, including myself, thought that Tyson was that great win, before coming to the realization that Tyson was way past it). Holyfield was past his best and Lewis was not very impressive in beating him. Golota, Ruddock and Rahman were impressive wins, but certainly not ATG fighters by any means. He should have beaten Tucker more convincingly than he did, and I don't know who can seriously complain about the Tua fight. Lewis knows his chin is average and that Tua has a huge left hook, he followed his plan perfectly and beat him by a huge margin, landing several huge blows in the process.
Lewis should never have lost to McCall or Rahman, and only did so because of poor preparation and arrogance. He was very inconsistent, but usually gave good performances when he was motivated for a big fight (Holy being the big exception). He would not have underestimated Tyson, and I believe the result would have been the same had they fought in 1996, a one-sided domination and late KO. Lewis was not even a pro in 86-88 (too busy winning gold medals at an amateur level), and it's pretty obvious Tyson would have knocked him out had they fought as pros then. When they first sparred as amateurs, Tyson was 17, Lewis 18. Tyson dominated him to start with, but the more they fought the better Lewis was doing. The last time they sparred (same age) it was Lewis doing the majority of the punishment (had they fought under pro rules then Tyson would most likely KO Lewis). Prime for prime I favour Lewis, but that sort of thing is hard to determine. Tyson himself says that he could never have beaten Lewis, he was just too big and too strong.
Prime for prime, Ali certainly beats Lewis by UD or late stoppage, no way am I going to argue with that.
jezzamundo what can I say you made a great post however Tua isn t better than tyson Tua was a man without kevin rooney and cus d amato style in his corner and i think that makes a big difference and he wasn t so fast and powerfull like Tyson my point is lewis couldn t knockdown Tua so he couldn t beat a prime tyson and about the last sparring session well you said lewis was doing the majority of the punishment but that was the point of a journalist lewis fan i guess because kevin rooney said the opposite and i believe him however by pro rules tyson would be the winner so it is the same.
About tyson words you can t give him credit can you?
The man said always stupid things like ..."i want to eat lewis liver and his kids..." tyson after prison was a man under Prozac influence a powerfull anti depressive.I don t like Tyson because he betrayed Kevin Rooney Bill Cayton and all the honest people in boxing around him,however until now he was the biggest sample of a system Cus D Amato system designed for beat taller guys and Tyson did it several times and between 86-88 tyson only lost 2 rounds lewis never made it and he had all the tools, size and reach however he couldn t make it because his defense was bad and he had bad reflexes that s why he lost against rahman lewis stayed there waiting without reaction and he was winning the fight actually he cut rahman so in that fight he had everything for victory but he lost because he had bad defense and bad reflexes on other hand Ali had a good defense and great reflexes..
Lewis wasn t too strong he couldn t lift many weight in the gym you know he had problems in sustain the right weight for him between 246-250 pounds lewis during a long time was a thin boxer that s why he felt so easily the punchs from his rivals wasn t only a bad chin but also a lack of weight and a bad defense that were the two reasons for the defeat against Mcall(the sparring partner of tyson who couldn t win against tyson once).
Lewis against rahman in the 2 fight was very impressive i think was the best fight he made but that was the exception not the rule in lewis career. He made very few fights
and couldn t sustain during a long time the belt.
Finnaly Tyson was impressive more times he made a great fight against Larry Holmes and four years later holyfield fought against holmes and couldn t knock him down after the fight with Tyson Holmes said Tyson was
great but also a self destruction bomb what happened later.
I believe a lot in Kevin Rooney and he said Ali and Tyson were the two best heavyweights in their primes, so be it,however i think lewis should be in top 5.
Joe louis was very impressive too so i don t know is very hard compare different generations it is more fair say the best of the decade Tyson was the best of the 80' s in the 90's i don t know lewis holyfield and bowe are good options but lewis should have fight earlier with holy but he avoid it and that isn t good for his defense he always was waiting the right time for beat his rivals when they were finished or unprepared and that is a big point.But the biggest point was the fight with klitcsko lewis with a a longer reach was losing the fight you saw how many punchs klitschko gave him
lewis luck was the lack of power of klitschko,klitscko is very bad i think with this everybody agrees the man don know what is a hook against kirk he throwed slaps, klitschko is too bad.
.... delusional .. and Tyson had good Stamin in his prime ... Tyson was 2 times faster that Frazier.. but.. ok .. very differente opinnions..
" and never got through the 6-th round. I'd take Marciano fights over Ali's anytime. I use to respect Ali for inventing his own sting'n'float style.. but learned some time ago.. that it was done by Sugra ray Robinson a decade before.