Ernie Roderick

robert.snell1 · Post by **robert.snell1** » 11 Oct 2005, 07:00

however it's nice to hear he spent his pocket money on something usefull. I got comics and sweets - I am 53 and going on 12 according to my wife and kids.

In a vain attempt to get this back to ERNIE - remember him...god give me strength

anybody got any film of him or photos please waving a flag of truce perhaps or labeled "what about ME !! " and up yours Thill etc

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 11 Oct 2005, 11:36

Bladder wrote:
silkov wrote:
klompton wrote:Dexribe the Thil fight Silkov, I highly doubt you have it. Its extremely rare and not likely to be in the hands of someone who hasnt spent half their life collecting films. But Im the one who doesnt know what Im talking about...
Indeed you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about!. Thats the brightest thing you've said in quite a while.
And you've been collecting films for half your life have you?... how old might you be?... 90?... 80?... 12????.... pray tell. Irrespective of age how do you know I havent spent three quarters of my life collecting fight films???.
I think Klompton is 29, so collecting films for 14.5 years doesn't seem very long to me. :P

Indeed!... the boy is just a baby!

:x .
Seems to have gone quiet about the book too!....

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silkov · Post by **silkov** » 11 Oct 2005, 11:42

robert.snell1 wrote:however it's nice to hear he spent his pocket money on something usefull. I got comics and sweets - I am 53 and going on 12 according to my wife and kids.

In a vain attempt to get this back to ERNIE - remember him...god give me strength

anybody got any film of him or photos please waving a flag of truce perhaps or labeled "what about ME !! " and up yours Thill etc

Now now, Rob, don't start getting vain on us eh!!

. SERIOUSLY THOUGH!.. :x .I dug out some Boxing News from 40s to 60s that I've been storing in my attic 8)

and if I come across any interesting stuff on Roderick (pics articles etc!) I'll email you them. I have Boxing news 46 to 49 so should be able to dig out a fair bit on Roderick from those years.

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robert.snell1 · Post by **robert.snell1** » 11 Oct 2005, 12:16

thanks my mate i shall try not to be vain. Your attic is like a shop of goodies. talk soon and cheers

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 11 Oct 2005, 14:13

silkov wrote:
Bladder wrote:
silkov wrote: Indeed you are the one who doesn't know what he's talking about!. Thats the brightest thing you've said in quite a while.
And you've been collecting films for half your life have you?... how old might you be?... 90?... 80?... 12????.... pray tell. Irrespective of age how do you know I havent spent three quarters of my life collecting fight films???.
I think Klompton is 29, so collecting films for 14.5 years doesn't seem very long to me. :P

Indeed!... the boy is just a baby! :x .
Seems to have gone quiet about the book too!.... 8)

Silkov is mad because he got caught in a lie

The book is being edited as we speak, but youve already got a copy right Silkov

Its sitting next to your copy of Thil-McAvoy.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Oct 2005, 14:39

http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1074097697.jpg

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 11 Oct 2005, 15:03

Klompton congratulations on your work on Greb... I hope it proves a success for you!

I for one would like to say that I personally believe you have a great deal of boxing knowledge 'in general' and specific with the likes of Greb... and a few others, though not as thorough as Greb!

I learned in my research from a very "silent and professional" Tracy Callus, that there are two kinds of Historians;
1) An Historian General - with a vast and broad knowledge of the Sport over years and decades, but not neccessarily "Specific"..!

2) An Historian "Specific" who looks CLOSER into a fighters career and/or Era and completes "works" on such fighters or periods... It is only the Historian "Specific" that can give us a wider "complete" knowledge of individual fighters, as you have done with Greb.

So this being said it is not always well "accepted" or appreciated to "marginalize" induvidual fighters without having complete knowledge of ALL of the Facts, as I'm sure you do on Greb, and I look forward to it!

Jock McAvoy and Ernie Roderick are World Class greats, their records and Careers speak for themselves, to say nothing of "missed" opportunities (WAR, Frozen-Out, Politics and Bullshit), NOT a handfull of losses they suffered..!

For these facts I look to the Historians "Specific" as I will you for Harry Greb and as I did myself for Bert Gilroy.

I think that's all people here are trying to say to you Klompton, with your wide range knowledge (Historian general), you should know better than most to "rule out or marginalize" great fighters until we know ALL the facts!

Good Luck and I appreciate yor 'imput', but not your arrogance.
Sincerely, Jim

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 11 Oct 2005, 17:08

Jimglen,

Still waiting for you to tell me why, if the British greats were as good as the all time greats, we don't seem to have too many like Louis, Armstrong, Robinson, Saddler on the Brit side of the ledger...

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 11 Oct 2005, 23:06

Jim, I appreciate your kind words in regards to my book and I have no problem admitting that in relation to my work on Greb and his era I am NOT an expert in men like Gilroy, McAvoy, Harvey et al. But I have an interest in them and that era and as mentioned before I have one quite a bit of research and am lucky to possess a good amount of film on these men, so I think my opinion, and it is just an opinion, is fairly relevent and valid.

robert.snell1 · Post by **robert.snell1** » 12 Oct 2005, 06:28

KOJOE90 wrote:http://www.josportsinc.com/item_images/1074097697.jpg

cheers that is a great item can you email me the image please as i would love to put it on the web site.

robert.snell1 · Post by **robert.snell1** » 12 Oct 2005, 06:39

jimglen wrote:Klompton congratulations on your work on Greb... I hope it proves a success for you!

I for one would like to say that I personally believe you have a great deal of boxing knowledge 'in general' and specific with the likes of Greb... and a few others, though not as thorough as Greb!

I learned in my research from a very "silent and professional" Tracy Callus, that there are two kinds of Historians;
1) An Historian General - with a vast and broad knowledge of the Sport over years and decades, but not neccessarily "Specific"..!

2) An Historian "Specific" who looks CLOSER into a fighters career and/or Era and completes "works" on such fighters or periods... It is only the Historian "Specific" that can give us a wider "complete" knowledge of individual fighters, as you have done with Greb.

So this being said it is not always well "accepted" or appreciated to "marginalize" induvidual fighters without having complete knowledge of ALL of the Facts, as I'm sure you do on Greb, and I look forward to it!

Jock McAvoy and Ernie Roderick are World Class greats, their records and Careers speak for themselves, to say nothing of "missed" opportunities (WAR, Frozen-Out, Politics and Bullshit), NOT a handfull of losses they suffered..!

For these facts I look to the Historians "Specific" as I will you for Harry Greb and as I did myself for Bert Gilroy.

I think that's all people here are trying to say to you Klompton, with your wide range knowledge (Historian general), you should know better than most to "rule out or marginalize" great fighters until we know ALL the facts!

Good Luck and I appreciate yor 'imput', but not your arrogance.
Sincerely, Jim

well said Jim, i will email you soon with regard to recent events about the web site

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 07:42

klompton wrote:
silkov wrote:
Bladder wrote: I think Klompton is 29, so collecting films for 14.5 years doesn't seem very long to me. :P

Indeed!... the boy is just a baby! :x .
Seems to have gone quiet about the book too!.... 8)

Silkov is mad because he got caught in a lie

The book is being edited as we speak, but youve already got a copy right Silkov Its sitting next to your copy of Thil-McAvoy.

A lie eh?... have you ever heard the one about people in glass houses throwing stones etc???. I've been coming onto this forum for a good 4 years now and youre 'editors' seem to have been taking their time as it seems your book has been at the editing stage for most of my time here!.
I know all about Thil vs Mcavoy but do not have to write a thesis on the fight to prove anything to you. For the record Mcavoy was down twice in the 14th... the first time after missing a right and then being caught by a good punch the second time after being caught by a blatantly low shot.
Mcavoy had Thil out on his feet in the 4th but hurt his right hand again in the proccess. The fight was very cometitive all the way through and your aspersions that Jock was badly beaten shows that you have not seen it or even read about it. This was Jocks first fight abroad, he was very anxious to do well. The french food made him sick and he also was suffering very badly from boils on his right arm which had to be lanced before the fight. Also he went into the fight with damaged knuckles on his right hand and after the 4th round was inagony every time he threw the hand.
If you knew anything about Jock you would know that he had chronic hand trouble and often had to have his hand 'frozen' with novocaine before fights. This would kill the pain in the hands but would leave them numb and so affect his punching power. His hand problems affected the outcome of many of Jocks fights and had a big influence on his career as a whole as he went through long periods of not being able to punch with his full power in a number of his fights.
After his defeat by Thil, Jock tried very hard to get a rematch and was willing to go to France again just to get the chance of fighting the Frenchman again but Thil did not want to know. I wonder why this is if the fight was so easy for Thil???.
The fight between Thil and Mcavoy was hailed at the time as one of the most exciting and ferocious battles ever seen in France.
If you want anymore info on Jock Mcavoy please let me know Klomp as your knowledge of him and indeed Thil is scant to say the least.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 07:47

Also I have a question for you Klomp.. :x 8)

. which should be extremely easy if you have ever bothered to read about Jock

let alone seen him on film!!!

.
Name two paticular habits

that Mcavoy used to carry out continuously

in the ring

. And why did he do it???

.
This is like I said, very easy!...

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:01

still didnt answer my questions fibber mcgee...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:14

klompton wrote:still didnt answer my questions fibber mcgee...

I see you're not answering my question!. Are you denying that it was the 14th round in which Jock was floored now?. 8)

Tell me something about this fight yourself???.

.. and answer my question, which should be easy even if you have only read a little about Mcavoy.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:18

silkov wrote:Name two paticular habits that Mcavoy used to carry out continuously in the ring

I think I know the answer to one of these, but I need to give it a little more thought.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 13:02

KOJOE90 wrote:
silkov wrote:Name two paticular habits that Mcavoy used to carry out continuously in the ring
I think I know the answer to one of these, but I need to give it a little more thought.

Ah! but we're waiting for Klomp to tell us!!!...

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 12 Oct 2005, 14:02

Typical fourth grade tactic. When hes backed into a corner and cant describe the film which he supposedly has he changes the subject and tried to turn it around. Silkov Ill answer any question you want AFTER you address those which you refuse to answer that I posted first. If you cant, or refuse, or continue to change the subject then Ill just assume your lying (which I already know you are).

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 14:43

klompton wrote:Typical fourth grade tactic. When hes backed into a corner and cant describe the film which he supposedly has he changes the subject and tried to turn it around. Silkov Ill answer any question you want AFTER you address those which you refuse to answer that I posted first. If you cant, or refuse, or continue to change the subject then Ill just assume your lying (which I already know you are).

Lying am I?.

.. I'd go back to your book if I was you.

.. you must have made a lot of mistakes

for your editors to have to spend 4 years correcting them!.

...
If anyone here is a charlatan its you. I've answered your question, why should I write a report of the whole fight for you!. Why don't you just answer the little questions

I gave you as theyre so easy you should be able to anser them even though you havent really got the film of Jock fighting!!!.....

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Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:54

Looks like Silkov was making up that story about having the fight.That's pretty sad.

Never mind, it's only fantasy anyway. Like that tosh about the British top 10 being as good as the World top 10.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 12 Oct 2005, 17:10

Collins2000 wrote:Looks like Silkov was making up that story about having the fight.That's pretty sad.

Never mind, it's only fantasy anyway. Like that tosh about the British top 10 being as good as the World top 10.

What are you going on about mate?.

...
I see Klomp has made a friend at last!. 8)

..
Its Klomp who hasn't got the film. He can't even answer a simple question about Mcavoy.
Ask Klomp for an excerpt from his book which has been at the editors for over 4 years now!.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 12 Oct 2005, 20:20

Oh, I see, Silkov. If you can get us to believe someone else is also lying then you won't look as bad. Is that it?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Oct 2005, 05:21

Collins2000 wrote:Oh, I see, Silkov. If you can get us to believe someone else is also lying then you won't look as bad. Is that it?

Actually I'm the one who has written about what happened in the Thil fight, what has Klomp said about it???. Klomp must be desperate if he's getting you to defend him.
He still hasn't answered my question and I've answered his.... try reading the thread properly mate.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Oct 2005, 05:28

I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions Klomp!!!.

:x :x :x :x .. don't say you don't know them now????.. 8)

..

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 13 Oct 2005, 11:06

I'm still waiting Klomp!...

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