JCC record

jyuza · Post by **jyuza** » 12 Oct 2005, 06:19

what do you think about his record ?

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 12 Oct 2005, 07:24

Pretty much what you'd expect from a guy with 100+ fights and his skills. Fought some that should never have been in the same ring with him and others that constitute the best of a few divisions over a long number of years

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:09

More padded than a teenagers bra.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:29

wlvrne wrote:More padded than a teenagers bra.

Do you mean they are both worth investigating?

-KOKid- · Post by **-KOKid-** » 12 Oct 2005, 12:57

Interestingly enough, Chavez had a loss on his record from his fight no. 7 and up until around fight no. 50. Somehow that early loss, by DQ, was reversed when Chavez manager joined the Mexican Boxing Commission.
It must be great to have friends in high places.

-KOKid-

zuru · Post by **zuru** » 12 Oct 2005, 13:05

wlvrne wrote:More padded than a teenagers bra.

J.C. Chavez was one of the GREATS! He fought them all.At his best he was for the most part unbeatable(I say it like this,because as we all know,everybody can be beat)He fought and adapted to every style.He was not just a slugger,but a highly skilled boxer-puncher who most seemed to overlook his boxing skill.I'm sure there are quite a few others,but the only name that pops in my mind right away,as being someone who didn't deserve to be in the ring with him,once he had been established as a star quality fighter,was Dwight Pratchett.Chavez should have handed him his head,and easily beat him by a lopsided unanimous decision,but couldn't K.O. him.Chavez also looked flat against Rocky Lockridge.The surprise loss against Randall was unexpected,but by then Chavez had already accomplished more towards greatness,than many modern day fighters combined.Chavez didn't benenfit from a padded record,he EARNED his status,
zuru

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:01

zuru wrote:
wlvrne wrote:More padded than a teenagers bra.
J.C. Chavez was one of the GREATS! He fought them all.At his best he was for the most part unbeatable(I say it like this,because as we all know,everybody can be beat)He fought and adapted to every style.He was not just a slugger,but a highly skilled boxer-puncher who most seemed to overlook his boxing skill.I'm sure there are quite a few others,but the only name that pops in my mind right away,as being someone who didn't deserve to be in the ring with him,once he had been established as a star quality fighter,was Dwight Pratchett.Chavez should have handed him his head,and easily beat him by a lopsided unanimous decision,but couldn't K.O. him.Chavez also looked flat against Rocky Lockridge.The surprise loss against Randall was unexpected,but by then Chavez had already accomplished more towards greatness,than many modern day fighters combined.Chavez didn't benenfit from a padded record,he EARNED his status,
zuru

I didn't say he wasn't great. I said his record was definitely padded. Take all of the fights against his top opponents and they wouldn't equal half of his fights against a fighter of his level should not have been fighting.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:39

wlvrne wrote:
zuru wrote:
wlvrne wrote:More padded than a teenagers bra.
J.C. Chavez was one of the GREATS! He fought them all.At his best he was for the most part unbeatable(I say it like this,because as we all know,everybody can be beat)He fought and adapted to every style.He was not just a slugger,but a highly skilled boxer-puncher who most seemed to overlook his boxing skill.I'm sure there are quite a few others,but the only name that pops in my mind right away,as being someone who didn't deserve to be in the ring with him,once he had been established as a star quality fighter,was Dwight Pratchett.Chavez should have handed him his head,and easily beat him by a lopsided unanimous decision,but couldn't K.O. him.Chavez also looked flat against Rocky Lockridge.The surprise loss against Randall was unexpected,but by then Chavez had already accomplished more towards greatness,than many modern day fighters combined.Chavez didn't benenfit from a padded record,he EARNED his status,
zuru
I didn't say he wasn't great. I said his record was definitely padded. Take all of the fights against his top opponents and they wouldn't equal half of his fights against a fighter of his level should not have been fighting.

You have to be joking. His best opponents reads like a who's who of junior lightweight and junior welter. (Lightweight he skipped through after beating Rosario). Who should he have fought that he didn't????

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:41

Bollox, you jumped before you thought about what I wrote.
It's not about what you just posted about his "who's who" list of title fights, I'm talking about all the fights in leading up to and in between his title fights.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 12 Oct 2005, 15:52

wlvrne wrote:Bollox, you jumped before you thought about what I wrote.
It's not about what you just posted about his "who's who" list of title fights, I'm talking about all the fights in leading up to and in between his title fights.

:x

Fair enough, he fought his fair share of absolute nobodies, especially inbetween title fights

theone · Post by **theone** » 12 Oct 2005, 18:05

Many great fighter have lost to fighters they were just trying to pad their record with. The fact that JCC was so active it made taking all of those padded matches all the more dangerous. For years the man was considered the best fighter pound for pound oin the world and has contributated to derailing more potentially great fighters careers than anyone in history.
Chavez deserves to be considered one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 12 Oct 2005, 20:01

Some explanation is in order in regards to Chavez's failure to knockout club fighter Dwight Pratchett. First, the fight came days after an earthquake hit a part of Mexico where he had several relatives and friends. JCC went to that fight with his mind other places. Though a club fighter, Pratchett was very durable and could take a punch. Chavez still thoroughly dominated the fight.

As for the Lockridge fight I had Rocky winning 116-114.

Boxer-Slugger · Post by **Boxer-Slugger** » 12 Oct 2005, 20:32

Besides the padded record, he has beaten alot of great fighters of his time

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 12 Oct 2005, 23:34

the champ wrote:Besides the padded record, he has beaten alot of great fighters of his time

Exactly.

dws · Post by **dws** » 13 Oct 2005, 00:51

That Pratchett fight was the first time I saw Chavez,I was very disappointed after reading so much about how awesome he was.Turns out he was awesome,just had an off night.

jyuza · Post by **jyuza** » 13 Oct 2005, 04:35

wlvrne wrote:
the champ wrote:Besides the padded record, he has beaten alot of great fighters of his time
Exactly.

Why do you mean by 'padded' ?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 13 Oct 2005, 04:41

The thing is he didn't fight these lesser fighters and call them title fights. He was more like an old-timer remaining active and constantly pickign up more and more experience. I respect him more for staying active and having a lot of fights.

cabritox · Post by **cabritox** » 13 Oct 2005, 11:47

IM GONNA MAKE IT NICE AND SIMPLE. CHAVEZ WAS GREAT. HE FOUGHT THE BEST FIGHTERS IN HIS TIME AND BEAT THEM. THE MAN WAS SO ACTIVE, HE WAS FIGHTING UP TO 4 OR MORE FIGHTS A YEAR. MANY OF THEM WERE FOR BENEFIT CAUSES AND THE OTHERS FOR WORLD TITLES/TOUGHER FIGHTS. HE WAS A GREAT PERSON AND WARRIOR WHO HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HIS NATIVE COUNTRY. MANY PEOPLE SAY HE HAD TO MANY FIGHTS, BUT A FIGHT IS A FIGHT ONCE YOU GET ON THE RING

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 13 Oct 2005, 12:12

cabritox wrote:IM GONNA MAKE IT NICE AND SIMPLE. CHAVEZ WAS GREAT. HE FOUGHT THE BEST FIGHTERS IN HIS TIME AND BEAT THEM. THE MAN WAS SO ACTIVE, HE WAS FIGHTING UP TO 4 OR MORE FIGHTS A YEAR. MANY OF THEM WERE FOR BENEFIT CAUSES AND THE OTHERS FOR WORLD TITLES/TOUGHER FIGHTS. HE WAS A GREAT PERSON AND WARRIOR WHO HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HIS NATIVE COUNTRY. MANY PEOPLE SAY HE HAD TO MANY FIGHTS, BUT A FIGHT IS A FIGHT ONCE YOU GET ON THE RING

Now you're acting like AmericanClubFighter and MrCoolBreeze. Just because you type big, which I would take to mean the equivilent of yelling, doesn't necessarily make you right.
He was so active because he did fight alot of tomato-can type fighters. If the proceeds went to benefits, good for him.

cabritox · Post by **cabritox** » 13 Oct 2005, 15:00

yeah right..tomato cans..ok..tomato cans from oregon specially.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 13 Oct 2005, 16:33

cabritox wrote:yeah right..tomato cans..ok..tomato cans from oregon specially.

You need to read more than just the last post Cabin-toxin.
I said, ALOT of Chavez' opponents were tomato-cans.
However, earlier I had posted with Bollox, agreeing with him that Chavez did fight a list of "who's who" in the Jr LT and Jr Wlter divisions. So there.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 13 Oct 2005, 18:31

After the first Chavez Taylor fight, with the dispute as to whether or not Chavez was undefeated or had he a dq loss out there, Jim Murray wrote, and I paraphrase liberally, who cares if he was 17-19 coming in? He kicked his ass

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 14 Oct 2005, 06:02

Chavez had a fight lined up with a very solid journeyman type fighter Hareold Brazier, which fell through. It was this fight that saw King charged with fraud? - he claimed a few hundred thousand from Lloyd's of London in insurance, for expenses that never existed. King wasn't convicted

Anyway, Brazier deserved the right to lose to Chavez and in the process receive by far his biggest payday :x

Aftermath · Post by **Aftermath** » 14 Oct 2005, 15:03

Julio Cesar Chavez' record is amazing on every level. He's an all time great. No fighter in the last 50 years comes close to breaking both of his records in title fight victories and paid attendence for boxing matches. In his prime Julio Cesar Chavez not only beat the best of his era, he destroyed them. He accoplished all of this while fighting 5 or 6 times a year while most other champs were content to only fight twice or three times a year.

Chavez has earned and deserves all the praise and acclaim he gets.

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 17 Oct 2005, 08:31

Aftermath wrote:Julio Cesar Chavez' record is amazing on every level. He's an all time great. No fighter in the last 50 years comes close to breaking both of his records in title fight victories and paid attendence for boxing matches. In his prime Julio Cesar Chavez not only beat the best of his era, he destroyed them. He accoplished all of this while fighting 5 or 6 times a year while most other champs were content to only fight twice or three times a year.

Chavez has earned and deserves all the praise and acclaim he gets.

I'm not saying Chavez isn't great, but you're telling me he was taking a REAL chance when he fought Scott "Pink Cat" Walker as a tune-up for his first fight with DLH? C'mon.

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