Sam Solimon tests positive!

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Say it ain't so.
Just read wher Sam has tested positive to a PED following the Sturm fight. B sample to be tested.
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Grant wrote:Say it ain't so.
Just read wher Sam has tested positive to a PED following the Sturm fight. B sample to be tested.
If the B comes up bad too it will probably put pay to Geale's mandatory obligations towards Sam.
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Dont know what to think of this, Sturm's team could have paid to have the samples farked with. But then Solimans getting old manybe he needed some shit like that.
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convict wrote:Dont know what to think of this, Sturm's team could have paid to have the samples farked with. But then Solimans getting old manybe he needed some shit like that.
Or perhaps he's cheated all the time he was at international level. Tip of the iceberg in boxing.
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Let's hope that the report from overseas is BS. Here is was Sam's camp has said:

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/sa ... 6589279007
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Sam is accused of failing a pre fight urine test, a month after the fight by Sturm's camp, The drug? Traces of an undetectable designer stimulant, riiiiiiight then. Sam won't even drink alcohol or eat cheese hmmm.
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polecateddy wrote:
convict wrote:Dont know what to think of this, Sturm's team could have paid to have the samples farked with. But then Solimans getting old manybe he needed some shit like that.
Or perhaps he's cheated all the time he was at international level. Tip of the iceberg in boxing.
Whole thing sounds like crap. Why was the drug not named?
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Reaction from Team Soliman is that they insisted on the drug tests and have been told nothing of any positive result. Defamation writs are being prepared.

Why would Puetz go to the media instead of Soliman?
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sounds pretty shady hope it gets settled soon.
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There saying the drug is oxilofrine (Ritalin), I hope the B samples prove he is clean. Sturm is really pushing this publicly and seems to know everything before anyone else.
He has been bitching since he lost. BTW Does Sam have A.D.D or is it ADHD?.
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When was that released re the name of the drug ? originally Putz stated it waas a hard to detect drug (and obviously hard to say because he wouldnt release it) ??
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http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1775 ... identified

In an update to an earlier story, the performance enhancing drug that 39-year old Australian veteran middleweight Sam Soliman tested for in his A-sample when facing Felix Sturm last month was oxilofrine, an amphetamine-class stimulant.

The positive test was made apparent by the National Anti-Doping Agency (NADA), the organization in charge of drug testing in German sports. NADA does Olympic-style drug testing and is affiliated with the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), applying WADA's list of prohibitive substances, which can be found here.

On that WADA list of banned substances, oxilofrine can be found under Section S6. Stimulants, underneath "b. Specified Stimulants."

Also, it was discovered that the standard urine test, which is common after every fight in Germany, is what caught Soliman and not any of the additional drug testing that Soliman and his team demanded prior to the fight. NADA conducted the urine test.

For full disclosure's sake, it is worth noting that Thomas Putz, the head of the German Boxing Federation who released the info regarding Soliman's positive A-sample to the press, also owns a security company, Putz Security AG, which provided the security for Sturm's fights in the past, including February's fight with Sam Soliman.

Additionally, Sturm Box-Promotion is listed on the Putz Security website (Puetz-Security.de) under the "Partners" section.

RingTV.com reached out to Mr. Putz via e-mail but received no response in regards to this matter.

A German source with knowledge of the situation, however, provided RingTV.com with the following information.

"Pütz owns Pütz Security,” the German source said.

“They do security for most boxing events in Germany. But Pütz himself only attends those events as the BDB (German Boxing Federation) president. His company does the security. When he was voted president, the issue was addressed and no conflict of interest was found. Anyway, he had nothing to do with the sample. It was taken and tested by NADA and he, as the president of the German Boxing Federation, received the results first and informed all involved parties."

Felix Sturm's team also addressed the concerns issued in the statement issued by Soliman's team that RingTV posted the other day.

“We are saddened by the reports coming out of Australia.” said Wolfgang Schiffbauer, Sturm's publicist.

“They are accusing us of tampering with their doping samples, which is insane. The testing was conducted by the National Anti-Doping Agency, the NADA, which is a partner of the German Confederation and the World Anti-Doping Agency, the WADA. This organization is beyond any doubt.

“The tests are done anonymous and only positive tests are matched to the respective athlete. We were as surprised as anyone when we were informed by Mr. Thomas Pütz, head of the German Boxing Federation, on Saturday about Mr. Soliman's positive A-sample. Mr. Pütz, as the head of the supervising body of the event on February 1st in Dusseldorf, himself got the information via a letter from the NADA. We are strictly for a clean sport and believe doping should not have a lobby in boxing or any other sport. It is now in Mr. Soliman's court to open the B-sample and prove his innocence."

RingTV followed up on this information, contacting NADA to find out exactly the process in which they conduct their testing as well as analyze their samples.

“In general the testing procedure as well as the opening of the B sample is standardized in the WADA-Code/ NADA-Code,” said Eva Bunthoff, press officer for NADA, via e-mail.

“All samples of the NADA are being sent anonymized to the laboratories. There is just a code on every sample, no names. When the sample is being analyzed, the outcome is being reported to the NADA by the laboratory with the specific code of the sample. NADA is decoding it, so that the samples cannot be connected to an athlete in the laboratory. As well, the procedure for analyzing the B-sample is standardized in the WADA-Code/NADA-Code. The athlete has the right to open the B-sample in order to clear things up.”

Bunthoff informed RingTV that due to data protection, they cannot confirm any names regarding this situation and directed any questions regarding this specific case to the German Boxing Federation.
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Ok so who took/carried the samples that where then delivered to the NADA from Soliman's dressing room? Putz Security of course.
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amwsnw wrote:When was that released re the name of the drug ? originally Putz stated it waas a hard to detect drug (and obviously hard to say because he wouldnt release it) ??
NADA. Pretty apt name? By the way, what is hard to find about Ritalin?
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Brute wrote:
amwsnw wrote:When was that released re the name of the drug ? originally Putz stated it waas a hard to detect drug (and obviously hard to say because he wouldnt release it) ??
NADA. Pretty apt name? By the way, what is hard to find about Ritalin?
I guess NADA hadn't heard of Google
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Perhaps they have no medical practitioners on their staff.
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convict wrote:Ok so who took/carried the samples that where then delivered to the NADA from Soliman's dressing room? Putz Security of course.
I don't know exactly what is true or not true in this case, but if Putz Security was responsible for transporting the samples, they probably would've done so even if Soliman legitimately tested positive.

To those who of you who rightfully have questions about the legitimacy of the test results, what information would make you to lean towards believing that Soliman legitimately tested positive?
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NADA team
The National Anti Doping Agency (NADA) presents its communications team: Eva Bunthoff is the new spokeswoman and therefore assumes the responsibility for both the NADA public relations, and shall be supported externally by Ulrike Spitz.

"We are delighted to have Eva Bunthoff and Ulrike Spitz won for the NADA communications. Enabling competent team, we are well positioned," said Dr. Andrea Gotzmann, chairman of NADA.

Eva Bunthoff, 28, since June 2010 in the communication and marketing of the NADA works. The studied sports science had already taken over in November 2012, the acting head of the department. Ulrike Spitz, 57, worked 25 years as a sports journalist, and was from 2007 to 2010 worked for NADA. Today she is a freelance communications consultant.
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Eating Clementine mandarins - Black pepper and smoking some Indian Tabbaco or eating the Tabbaco leaf will give you medium levels of the oxilofrine make up.
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convict wrote:Eating Clementine mandarins - Black pepper and smoking some Indian Tabbaco or eating the Tabbaco leaf will give you medium levels of the oxilofrine make up.
Can you provide a reference to support the above comment, that these natural items have a oxilofrine connection, as Google searches have produced nothing to support this?
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I reckon Luftwaffe Airlines spiked his in-flight dinner with it.........Clementine sorbet between courses :P
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Beltane wrote:
convict wrote:Eating Clementine mandarins - Black pepper and smoking some Indian Tabbaco or eating the Tabbaco leaf will give you medium levels of the oxilofrine make up.
Can you provide a reference to support the above comment, that these natural items have a oxilofrine connection, as Google searches have produced nothing to support this?
Yeah sure I can, But please try a bit harder in your search quest.
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Da Voice wrote:NADA team
The National Anti Doping Agency (NADA) presents its communications team: Eva Bunthoff is the new spokeswoman and therefore assumes the responsibility for both the NADA public relations, and shall be supported externally by Ulrike Spitz.

"We are delighted to have Eva Bunthoff and Ulrike Spitz won for the NADA communications. Enabling competent team, we are well positioned," said Dr. Andrea Gotzmann, chairman of NADA.

Eva Bunthoff, 28, since June 2010 in the communication and marketing of the NADA works. The studied sports science had already taken over in November 2012, the acting head of the department. Ulrike Spitz, 57, worked 25 years as a sports journalist, and was from 2007 to 2010 worked for NADA. Today she is a freelance communications consultant.
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Someone named Spitz on an anti doping team? hmmmm :doh:
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Methylsynephrine




Methylsynephrine
Methylsynephrine (Oxilofrine, Hydroxyephrine, Oxyephrine) is a mixed-adrenergic agonist with an ephedrine-like pharmacological profile. It is used as a dietary supplement in various products and is marketed as a weight-loss compound. Here, I will explore the nature of this compound in the literature.

Synephrine
Synephrine is an adrenergic agonist similar to phenylephrine [1] . Due to its secondary terminal-amine structure, it possesses a stronger affinity for alpha-receptors than norepinephrine and has been used clinically as a vasoconstrictor and pressor (Figure 1). Synephrine is a positional-isomer of phenylephrine and its metabolism is likely similar with extensive MAO elimination in the GI tract and in the liver. Synephrine may also play a role in vesicular exchange-diffusion within synapses with norepinephrine, although this appears weak at therapeutic concentrations.


Figure 1.



Physiological effects
A study using a bitter orange extract standardized for 27 mg synephrine failed to induce any changes in hemodynamics [2]. Conversely, in another study using twice the amount, significant effects were observed for heart rate, systolic pressure, and diastolic pressures, in which all values increased [3]. This would indicate that the minimum threshold dose to elicit adrenergic activity to be somewhere between 27 mg and 54 mg for adult males.
Synephrine
Synephrine is reported as naturally occurring in the following cactus species: Coryphantha cornifera, C. durangensis, C. elephantides, C. greenwoodii, C. ottonis, C. pectinata, C. poselgeriana, C. ramillosa, C. runyonii, Dolichothele sphaerica, D. surculosa, and D. uberiformis.[11]
Unripe, dried fruits from Asian cultivars of Citrus aurantium (known in Traditional Chinese Medicine as "Zhi shi") contain synephrine (to about 0.2%). Extracts thereof are today the main source of naturally occurring synephrine.[12]
Synephrine and related alkaloids are also found in citrus fruit juices, particularly in bitter orange products and certain mandarin orange cultivars, as well as in "sweet" oranges. Concentrations ranged from 55 to 160 mg/L in juice products obtained from the Satsuma mandarin variety grown in California.[13] Sweet oranges of the Tarocco, Naveline and Navel varieties, bought on the Italian market, were found to contain ~ 13-34 μg/g (corresponding to 13-34 mg/kg) synephrine (with roughly equal concentrations in juice and separated pulp), while commercial Italian orange juices contained ~ 13-32 mg/L of synephrine. From these results, it was calculated that eating one "average" Tarocco orange would provide ~ 6 mg of synephrine.[14] Juices from "sweet" oranges purchased in Brazilian markets were found to contain ~ 10-22 mg/L synephrine; commercial orange soft drinks had an average synephrine content of ~ 1 mg/L.[15]
Synephrine has been found in orange marmalade made from Citrus unshiu obtained in Japan; the concentration was ~ 12 mg/100 g (or about 12 mg/3.5 oz).[16] Most of the orange marmalades made in the US are produced using "sweet" oranges (C. sinensis), whereas "bitter" or "Seville" oranges (C. aurantium) are used for making the more traditional, bitterer marmalades in the United Kingdom. Although the synephrine content of these marmalades does not seem to have been examined explicitly, general manufacturing guidelines regarding the ratios of peel to juice/pulp, and fruit to sugar would indicate that synephrine levels are below those found in whole fruits.
Couldn't be rooted posting links to the black pepper and tobacco - Not ya slave so search for it ya self.
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crusader wrote:
convict wrote:Ok so who took/carried the samples that where then delivered to the NADA from Soliman's dressing room? Putz Security of course.
I don't know exactly what is true or not true in this case, but if Putz Security was responsible for transporting the samples, they probably would've done so even if Soliman legitimately tested positive.

To those who of you who rightfully have questions about the legitimacy of the test results, what information would make you to lean towards believing that Soliman legitimately tested positive?
OK, and fair ask too, Crusader. I can understand either someone trying to be as objective as possible or anti Soloman. That puts things into prspective a little more. Another sample given by Sam, in front of a WADA representitive, a German representitive and an Australian representitive from a random beaker suplied from WADA.
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