Worst officials.

[IRLangmaid25]

Lawrence Cole should have been pistolwhipped after letting Antonio Margarito take the utter shallacking he got off Manny Pacquiao 3 years ago at Cowboys Stadium. He could clearly see that Pacquiao was practically landing with everything he was throwing from about rounds 8 and 9 on wards and was in position to turn the fight at all...

Great call on Cole. He screwed up two KD calls in Pac/MAB, and he also told JMM he was ahead against Jaca, an act for which I believe he was suspended.

I have read about the JMM-Jaca fight because JMM got cut by a headbutt if my memory serves me correctly and I think he covered up his mike to tell JMM the cards had him up and he would get the technical decision if he chose not to carry on.

[Ambling Alp II]

Rover, I guess he could have Dq'd him for Duva being on the ring apron, but seriously there is no way he would have done that.
It is the job of the officlals to make sure a fighter is ok or not. Part of that is having his attention. I agree that it is Taylor's own fault that he was knocked down in the first place. Agree that some of the blame goes to Duva.
Have to disagree that Taylor was hurt that badly.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about Taylor-Chavez which has been discussed more than enough in the past. My main point is that sometimes Steele would stop a fight too easily and sometimes he would not stop a fight that without question should have been stopped.

[witherspoon]

Every time I hear the words 'I'M FAIR BUT I'M FIRM',
I want to tie breeze blocks to my feet and throw myself into deep water.
F¥ck the world when a supposed to be impartial, respectable, objective official needs to come up with that kind of bullshit to boost his celebrity status.
F¥ck that bullshit, just do your f¥cking job, you are on tv anyway, that's not good enough for you? You want to be a celebrity? Go do some reality tv or something, shiiiiit.

I should point out that I think 'fair but firm' is actually a pretty good phrase to describe a decent ref.
What pisses me of is how it's delivered. You can sense Cortez' building excitement as he nears the end of his pre-fight instructions and the chance to bask in the glory of his awesome contribution to bullshit.
And god forbid a fighter should be so focused on his job that he already turning back to his corner before Joe is finished, that will not be tolerated. Joe will have an iron grip on both guys when he is ready to deliver, pull them back into camera shot if necessary, before he raises his voice to a shout and does his act. It's the highlight of his night and everything else is secondary.

[Ambling Alp II]

Rover, I guess he could have Dq'd him for Duva being on the ring apron, but seriously there is no way he would have done that.
It is the job of the officlals to make sure a fighter is ok or not. Part of that is having his attention. A referee should take a direct look at the fighter, not just rely on his answer of whether he wanted to continue or not. I agree that it is Taylor's own fault that he was knocked down in the first place. Agree that some of the blame goes to Duva.
Have to disagree that Taylor was hurt that badly.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about Taylor-Chavez which has been discussed more than enough in the past. My main point is that sometimes Steele would stop a fight too easily and sometimes he would not stop a fight that without question should have been stopped.

[keithmoonhangover]

I would love to put Steele on a lie detector test and ask him if he stopped the fight because he feared for Meldrick Taylor's safety, or because Chavez was King's fighter?

Those aren't even reliable.

Neither was Richard Steele.

[Rover]

Rover, I guess he could have Dq'd him for Duva being on the ring apron, but seriously there is no way he would have done that.
It is the job of the officlals to make sure a fighter is ok or not. Part of that is having his attention. I agree that it is Taylor's own fault that he was knocked down in the first place. Agree that some of the blame goes to Duva.
Have to disagree that Taylor was hurt that badly.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about Taylor-Chavez which has been discussed more than enough in the past. My main point is that sometimes Steele would stop a fight too easily and sometimes he would not stop a fight that without question should have been stopped.

So you concede he could've DQ'd Taylor, correct?

[Rover]

I would love to put Steele on a lie detector test and ask him if he stopped the fight because he feared for Meldrick Taylor's safety, or because Chavez was King's fighter?

Those aren't even reliable.

Neither was Richard Steele.

Yes, he was.

[Rover]

The thread title is labelled Worst Officials.

My point is that Steele was first and foremost included in such topics based on the J.C.C. / Taylor fight, unfairly. Since then momentum has gathered, with basically futile attempts to call his whole career into question.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

[Ambling Alp II]

Rover, I guess he could have Dq'd him for Duva being on the ring apron, but seriously there is no way he would have done that.
It is the job of the officlals to make sure a fighter is ok or not. Part of that is having his attention. I agree that it is Taylor's own fault that he was knocked down in the first place. Agree that some of the blame goes to Duva.
Have to disagree that Taylor was hurt that badly.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about Taylor-Chavez which has been discussed more than enough in the past. My main point is that sometimes Steele would stop a fight too easily and sometimes he would not stop a fight that without question should have been stopped.

So you concede he could've DQ'd Taylor, correct?

Could have? I think he could have. don't know the Boxing Commissions and the WBS ruling at the time about that. He may have had to give him a warning first.

Of course a referee could DQ a fighter for a lot of things that they don't.
Do you seriously think Taylor should have been disqualified for that ?

[Ambling Alp II]

The thread title is labelled Worst Officials.

My point is that Steele was first and foremost included in such topics based on the J.C.C. / Taylor fight, unfairly. Since then momentum has gathered, with basically futile attempts to call his whole career into question.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I have been discussing 3 different fights that he screwed up in; not just Chavez-Taylor which so many people are obesessed with.

1. Tyson-Ruddock (He didn't look at Ruddock to see if he was hurt before stopping it. Also missed a a trip and called it a knockdown.)
2. Didn't stop Olajide-Tate, which may have bee the most obvious fight that wasn't stopped that should have in the last 30 years.
3. Taylor-Chavez (I consider the least of the three.)

I'm not just picking one fight. And I'm sure there are other officials who have been as bad or worse.

[keithmoonhangover]

Yes, he was.

So reliable that some fighters refused to have him as a referee if they were fighting a King fighter.

[Rover]

The thread title is labelled Worst Officials.

My point is that Steele was first and foremost included in such topics based on the J.C.C. / Taylor fight, unfairly. Since then momentum has gathered, with basically futile attempts to call his whole career into question.

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Well thats a first.

We might even agree on Joe Cortez, who in my opinion made himself look a fool in the Mayweather / Hatton fight, by trying to " assist " a fighter ( Mayweather in the first 4 rounds or so ) who palpably didn't NEED helping. Mayweather never looked uncomfortable in that fight, and had more than one answer for anything Ricky tried to do. Cortez should have just allowed the fight to flow.

Yes, we agree on that also.

[Rover]

Rover, I guess he could have Dq'd him for Duva being on the ring apron, but seriously there is no way he would have done that.
It is the job of the officlals to make sure a fighter is ok or not. Part of that is having his attention. I agree that it is Taylor's own fault that he was knocked down in the first place. Agree that some of the blame goes to Duva.
Have to disagree that Taylor was hurt that badly.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread and talk about Taylor-Chavez which has been discussed more than enough in the past. My main point is that sometimes Steele would stop a fight too easily and sometimes he would not stop a fight that without question should have been stopped.

So you concede he could've DQ'd Taylor, correct?

Could have? I think he could have. don't know the Boxing Commissions and the WBS ruling at the time about that. He may have had to give him a warning first.

Of course a referee could DQ a fighter for a lot of things that they don't.
Do you seriously think Taylor should have been disqualified for that ?

I'd have had no problem with that, and you can be disqualified if your trainer steps onto the apron like that moron Duva did. My point was that Steele could've avoided the controversy from the TKO and his judgment call by claiming he was merely enforcing a rule like the ref in Kirkland/Molina.

[Rover]

So reliable that some fighters refused to have him as a referee if they were fighting a King fighter.

Which ones? Their paranoia doesn't diminish Steele's quality. Like I said, the best someone on that Legendary Nights series could come up with about Steele and King was "Perception is reality."

[Rover]

The two nitwits who scored Escalera over Everett. With the Puerto Rican official, that score can at least be chalked up to homeland bias, but what about Philadelphia judge Tress? Pathetic.

[Rover]

Ernesto Magana, the ref in Duran/Moore. Tim Ryan called it one of the worst ref performances he'd seen.

[keithmoonhangover]

So reliable that some fighters refused to have him as a referee if they were fighting a King fighter.

Which ones?

Their paranoia doesn't diminish Steele's quality.

Like I said, the best someone on that Legendary Nights series could come up with about Steele and King was "Perception is reality."

So you know better than the actual boxers involved? You really are a complete numpty aren't you.

[Rover]

So reliable that some fighters refused to have him as a referee if they were fighting a King fighter.

Which ones?

Their paranoia doesn't diminish Steele's quality.

Like I said, the best someone on that Legendary Nights series could come up with about Steele and King was "Perception is reality."

So you know better than the actual boxers involved? You really are a complete numpty aren't you.

Typical non-response. The only thing that ever came out were rumors about King and Steele. What boxers are you referring to, and what did they "know"? Try again.
It's no different than one boxer's accusing another (while providing no evidence) of the use of banned substances, like, as one example, Pascal did with B-Hop.
"Take the test! You're a fuckin cheater!"
That baseless charge doesn't have any additional credibility because Pascal's a fighter. If there were actual evidence of this Steele/King relationship, rather than rumors and paranoia, "the boxers involved" should've let the rest of us in on it.
I also love how Steele bashers conveniently ignore facts that go against their conspiracy nonsense, like how Steele took a point from King fighter Chavez (yes, the same one of Taylor fame) in the 9th round against Laporte in a very close fight, or how the same Steele took two points from Chavez that cost him his title v. Randall. Chavez was so angry after that fight that, through interpreter Gladys Rosa in the post-fight interview, he said he wanted to sue Steele.
Those are FACTS, not rumors.

[si7dog7]

putting people on lie detectors?
"on the take"

really not sure about that

agree Meldrick Taylor could have been dq'd
Steele may have stopped it earlier than in relation to other fights, maybe later than in others

my thought is I'd rather an early stoppage, than one a second or so too late.

we could lay this schtick at so many referees, judges. UK refs were getting it on Saturday, re: home town decisions, early stoppages etc.

Do we all remember Ricky Hatton's seemingly personal ref, old "twinkle toes". Top bloke but it got to be a joke in the end. (esp v E Magee, where RH was given more than every chance, in my view)
"Nah nawties wi da 'ead"

Anyways back to real topic , watched ODLH v Mayweather late last night
Tom Kaczmarek scored a close 115-113 to Oscar...Not even close in my book

Miguel Donate 116-112 to Nelson v Fenech (first fight) oh dear

[Rover]

putting people on lie detectors?
"on the take"

really not sure about that

agree Meldrick Taylor could have been dq'd
Steele may have stopped it earlier than in relation to other fights, maybe later than in others

my thought is I'd rather an early stoppage, than one a second or so too late.

we could lay this schtick at so many referees, judges. UK refs were getting it on Saturday, re: home town decisions, early stoppages etc.

Do we all remember Ricky Hatton's seemingly personal ref, old "twinkle toes". Top bloke but it got to be a joke in the end. (esp v E Magee, where RH was given more than every chance, in my view)
"Nah nawties wi da 'ead"

Anyways back to real topic , watched ODLH v Mayweather late last night
Tom Kaczmarek scored a close 115-113 to Oscar...Not even close in my book

Miguel Donate 116-112 to Nelson v Fenech (first fight) oh dear

Ah, Mickey Vann, one of the two geniuses (along with Marti) who had Chavez/Whitaker a draw.
If there were actual evidence against Steele, we wouldn't be talking about lie detector tests.

[Rover]

I thought Steele was a dealer in a Vegas casino? I can't speak for America, but in Britain you have to be purer than the driven snow to work in casino's. The authorities check back to your childhood, and if there is anything worse than a police caution, you ain't getting the job.

If similar applies, I can't see Steele putting himself on the line, only to get ripped off by King, the same as everyone else who ever gets involved with him does.

Funny how no evidence of this secret partnership has come out after decades, hence why we're being told about hypothetical lie detector tests.

[Rover]

Newton Campos has to be up there. He scored two rounds for Whitaker against Ramirez. It was the other way around, Newton.

[si7dog7]

sorry to harp on about Taylor v Chavez
but I did read somewhere, a long time ago, that Meldrick was severely dehydrated after the fight (I know, I know - not uncommon) but in this case, doctors/medics were genuinely concerned for his general wellfare.

Steele is still vilified for this decision to this day. Maybe it is lucky tht he wasn't clock watching and saved any further puncers from being thrown.

Should be in the Hall of Fame as far as I am concerned.

[Rover]

sorry to harp on about Taylor v Chavez
but I did read somewhere, a long time ago, that Meldrick was severely dehydrated after the fight (I know, I know - not uncommon) but in this case, doctors/medics were genuinely concerned for his general wellfare.

Steele is still vilified for this decision to this day. Maybe it is lucky tht he wasn't clock watching and saved any further puncers from being thrown.

Should be in the Hall of Fame as far as I am concerned.

They interviewed the doctor who examined Taylor after the fight for Legendary Nights on HBO. Taylor had a facial fracture and was urinating pure blood. He really took a pounding.

[keithmoonhangover]

Typical non-response. The only thing that ever came out were rumors about King and Steele. What boxers are you referring to, and what did they "know"? Try again.
It's no different than one boxer's accusing another (while providing no evidence) of the use of banned substances, like, as one example, Pascal did with B-Hop.
"Take the test! You're a fuckin cheater!"
That baseless charge doesn't have any additional credibility because Pascal's a fighter. If there were actual evidence of this Steele/King relationship, rather than rumors and paranoia, "the boxers involved" should've let the rest of us in on it.
I also love how Steele bashers conveniently ignore facts that go against their conspiracy nonsense, like how Steele took a point from King fighter Chavez (yes, the same one of Taylor fame) in the 9th round against Laporte in a very close fight, or how the same Steele took two points from Chavez that cost him his title v. Randall. Chavez was so angry after that fight that, through interpreter Gladys Rosa in the post-fight interview, he said he wanted to sue Steele.
Those are FACTS, not rumors.

Lennox Lewis refused to have Richard Steele referee any his title fights. It was documented at the time and I was told by a VERY reliable source that Lennox didn't trust Steele's decision making.