Classic American West Coast Boxing

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The Burlesque Routine

Even when I snuck into the Hollywood Theater when I was a teenager i could see tha the place had gotten long in the tooth. That whole lower block of Market Street had turned into skid row by then.I remember the place was dark inside. Not many people. Some sailors,some dirty old men,and one over sexed teenager. There was the runway going out between the seats. Texas Bobbi Roberts was the big draw. I once saw an old newspaper that dated back to the War. She was the big star then too. I think she was married to the owner,Bob Johnston. Well ol' Bobbi could still shake her boobies. She made the twirls on her pasties look like airplane propellers.

Eddie Ware was the comedian. He looked like that kids' entertainer Pinky Lee except the stuff that came out of his mouth would warrant a bar of soap . He'd do routines with the girls and everytime there was a joke,the drummer in the pit band would drop a bomb or hit a rim shot.

Next door to the Hollywood was the watering hole called the Sports Palace. It was owned by the same guy,Bob Johnston. After i had turned twenty one I went in there . It wasn't the first time for me. My father had taken me in there when I was a little kid. We were in the back room with Bob Johnston and Doc Kearns. At the time they had Archie Moore. I didn't know what they were really talking about,but I do remember them having a laugh over the Willard fight. Dempsey was handled by Kearns at that time.

I walked inside the Sports Palace like I said before. I was twenty one and didn't worry about being pinched.The cops never went inside . They knew Johnston could handle his own problems. The neighborhood and the two joints owned by Bob Johnston had yellowed with age even more.I recognized Johnston behind the bar. Most of the customers were at the back standing around old Stymie the piano player. They looked pretty drunk and were singing all the old favorites except substituting cuss words in the appropriate spots in the melodies.

Johnston drew me a draft. I looked at all the old fight pictures on the walls. They had darkened from all the cigarette smoke.
"Lot's of history here,"I said to the owner.
"Yes,but I don't talk about it much. You start talking about the past and the past becomes the present."
I looked over at group at the piano. They were singing"As Time Goes By." Insread of a "kiss is just a kiss",it was a "F is just a F".
"See ol' Stymie over there?"said the owner."He used to be Archie Moore's sparring partner when they still were drawing the color line."
"He plays pretty good."
"He's a better piano player than he was a fighter."
I looked at more of the old pictures.
"Didn't you have Dempsey?"
"That was my brother Charley. Him and Doc."
"What did you think of Dempsey?"
"The most protected fighter there ever was."
"He used to come to San Diego didn't he?"
"He'd come in here and go to the Foreign Club in Tijuana."
"I bet you made a lot of money in the fight game."
"I did OK. But my big score was next door and with the bar. The war years made rich."
"How's next door doing?"
"It's slow. With all the bars now where the girls are completely nude, and besides you can serve liquor in these joints.Burlesque girls won't work those places."
"Didn't Doc have "Archie Moore?"
"Him and my brother Charlie."
"Took a long time for Archie to get his shot."
"That was the deal.In order for him to have the title my brother and Doc would control him. Remember Doc was with Maxim that night in St. Louis."
"Really."
"It was hard making money with Joey. He couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag."
"You make it sound like fighting is a crooked sport."
"Son"he said looking close to me,"With characters like me and my brother,Doc Kearns,organized crime,not to mention every gambler in the world having a hand in it,do you really think the laundry is going to come out smelling clean?"
After hearing him say that,I swore I heard a rim shot.


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El Gallo wrote:Brian, hope to see you and the Black Hawks in LA again, whenever that happens.
Also, I plan to be involved in California Boxing history and events until the day I die (and I'm in great shape!).
You have a second home & boxing family here. Same for Dan Hanley & Charley Norkus.

-Rick Farris
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Roger, Love the Archie Moore stuff. My father and I sat down once and talked about the "Greatest Fighters to lace them up" all- time. About 1975. He convinced me then and till to this day- Archie is in top 3 of all-time.
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CNorkusJr wrote:
El Gallo wrote:Brian, hope to see you and the Black Hawks in LA again, whenever that happens.
Also, I plan to be involved in California Boxing history and events until the day I die (and I'm in great shape!).
You have a second home & boxing family here. Same for Dan Hanley & Charley Norkus.

-Rick Farris
Thank You Very Much. Thats very nice to hear. :D :TU:

Roger, Love the Archie Moore stuff. My father and I sat down once and talked about the "Greatest Fighters to lace them up" all- time. About 1975. He convinced me then and till to this day- Archie is in top 3 of all-time.
Thanks Charley. Archie certainly would be in the top 3,not necessarily in boxing,but something bigger-his respect for people.
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Another Burlesque Routine

"I didn't know you were Joe's boy,"said Bob.
"He first brought me in here when I was a kid. We were in that back room with Doc Kearns."
"I remember that. How is Joe?He don't come in anymore."
"He's fine. He's at home with the dogs mostly. I'll tell him you asked."
The Sports Palace had just opened up. The hazy sunlight squeezed through the door.
"Does Joe still talk to Frank LaPorte?"said the old owner wiping a glass with a towel.
"I think so. Not many of those guys are around anymore."
"I know what you mean. Doc died going on 15 years ago."
"He must have had a book load of stories."
"Yes.And he took most of them to the grave with him."
The mailman walked in passing the big picture of President Eisenhower and Rocky Marciano sharing a laugh. The mailman set the mail on the bar.
"No bills today Bob,"he said.
"That's the only mail I don't like."
"No one does,"said the mailman as he walked out the door.
"Where did you get that picture of Marciano and the Eisenhower?"
"I had it special made. Those two were two of my favorites."
"Do you think Marciano could have beat Ali?"
"I don't think so. Ali was too fast. But what do I know? I picked Liston to beat him in Miami."
"Do you think any of that was fixed?"
"If so, I wasn't let in."
Just then one of the girls from next door walked in.
"Susie ,"said Bob. "I have the checks here for you to give to the girls."
"Thanks sweetie,"she said."You're a doll."
Susie danced at the Hollywood Theater next door. She was showing a little age,but her smile overwhelmed any physical detriment.
"See you tonight,"she said.
"Is Bobbie on with you tonight?"
"Yes she is."
"Well I'll see both of you tonight."
Susie walked sprightly out the door. The sunlight shone on her yellow skirt and blonde pageboy hair.
"She's been with me as long as my wife. They started together,"said Bob.
"I bet you've seen a lot of entertainers,"I said.
Bob put down the glass he was wiping.
"Remember the Sgt. Bilko Show?Those guys used to work for me in Burlesque at one time or another."
"I didn't know that."
"Burlesque was a good training ground for a lot of comedians. Their timing is still the best."
I heard a noise in the back. It was old Stymie the piano player.
"Boss I'm having the tuner come in today to tune the piano,"Stymie said as he sat down at the upright.
"You'll play it out of tune anyway."
They both laughed.
"You see Rocky up there on the wall with Ike?"
"They say he was a good guy."
"Nicest guy in the world,but he couldn't control his appetite for women. He was trying to screw every girl i had working next door. He wanted two,three at a time."
"Really."
"I'm tellin' ya' he got more tail that Casanova."
After saying that Stymie must of hit one of those flatted fifths on the upright.


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In The Lounge At The Regina Hotel

I was havjng a coffee and reading the Spanish paper in the hotel lounge when I came across the story that Pedro Carrasco,the former Light Weight Champion Of the World, had died. The story went on about his career as a fighter and ,afterwards,his popularity with the Spanish public.
"I see you are reading about Carrasco",said the waiter as he brought me a bowl of peanuts.
"Yes,that's quite a shock. He was not that old."
"Are you a fan of the boxing matches.? You are American."
"Yes,I follow the sport."
"Carrasco was Spain's first world champion."
"I bet the people were happy."
"Happy? They went crazy. He was more popular than Franco."
"But wasn't there a lot of controvery about that fight?"
I knew that Carrasco had won the title on a foul. He was on the canvas when the referee awarded him the decision.
"The fight was in Madrid.The country wanted Carrasco to win very badly. He had not fought ever in the United States."
"I know he had only lost once and had many fights,but the quality of his competition was suspect."
"That was true,but we thought Carrasco was destined to be the champion."
I remember Mando Ramos's trainer,Jackie McCoy, complaining after the fight saying if the referee thought that if Ramos had pushed him then why didn't he get up.
"There was a lot of confusion in the ring,"said the waiter . "The referee raised Carrasco's hand. We had a champion."
There was a rematch in Los Angeles. Ramos won back the title. Another fight in Spain. This time the judges were watching the fight and Ramos won the rubber match.
"After Carrasco lost his title,"said the waiter,"he married a popular movie star. Was on the cinema and television.They were very rich and traveled the world. He remained an idol in our country."
I told the waiter I was finished with my coffee and left a Euro for a tip.
"Gracias,"he said. "I will see you tomorrow."
As I put the paper down I thought of Carrasco's opponent,Mando Ramos. A kid from Long Beach who was brought into the gym by his father and taken under the wing of Jackie McCoy. Mando was no American namestay. Blew all his money on all the wrong things. Never married a movie star or made a motion picture or had a television program. When his career ended,his life almost came to an end.Living in the fast lane was heading him for a crash. Like Carrasco,Ramos died young . Too bad he wasn't America's first world champion.Maybe more people would have remembered.


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dagosd2000 wrote:Another Burlesque Routine

"I didn't know you were Joe's boy,"said Bob.
"He first brought me in here when I was a kid. We were in that back room with Doc Kearns."
"I remember that. How is Joe?He don't come in anymore."
"He's fine. He's at home with the dogs mostly. I'll tell him you asked."
The Sports Palace had just opened up. The hazy sunlight squeezed through the door.
"Does Joe still talk to Frank LaPorte?"said the old owner wiping a glass with a towel.
"I think so. Not many of those guys are around anymore."
"I know what you mean. Doc died going on 15 years ago."
"He must have had a book load of stories."
"Yes.And he took most of them to the grave with him."
The mailman walked in passing the big picture of President Eisenhower and Rocky Marciano sharing a laugh. The mailman set the mail on the bar.
"No bills today Bob,"he said.
"That's the only mail I don't like."
"No one does,"said the mailman as he walked out the door.
"Where did you get that picture of Marciano and the Eisenhower?"
"I had it special made. Those two were two of my favorites."
"Do you think Marciano could have beat Ali?"
"I don't think so. Ali was too fast. But what do I know? I picked Liston to beat him in Miami."
"Do you think any of that was fixed?"
"If so, I wasn't let in."
Just then one of the girls from next door walked in.
"Susie ,"said Bob. "I have the checks here for you to give to the girls."
"Thanks sweetie,"she said."You're a doll."
Susie danced at the Hollywood Theater next door. She was showing a little age,but her smile overwhelmed any physical detriment.
"See you tonight,"she said.
"Is Bobbie on with you tonight?"
"Yes she is."
"Well I'll see both of you tonight."
Susie walked sprightly out the door. The sunlight shone on her yellow skirt and blonde pageboy hair.
"She's been with me as long as my wife. They started together,"said Bob.
"I bet you've seen a lot of entertainers,"I said.
Bob put down the glass he was wiping.
"Remember the Sgt. Bilko Show?Those guys used to work for me in Burlesque at one time or another."
"I didn't know that."
"Burlesque was a good training ground for a lot of comedians. Their timing is still the best."
I heard a noise in the back. It was old Stymie the piano player.
"Boss I'm having the tuner come in today to tune the piano,"Stymie said as he sat down at the upright.
"You'll play it out of tune anyway."
They both laughed.
"You see Rocky up there on the wall with Ike?"
"They say he was a good guy."
"Nicest guy in the world,but he couldn't control his appetite for women. He was trying to screw every girl i had working next door. He wanted two,three at a time."
"Really."
"I'm tellin' ya' he got more tail that Casanova."
After saying that Stymie must of hit one of those flatted fifths on the upright.


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dagosd2000 wrote:The Burlesque Routine

Even when I snuck into the Hollywood Theater when I was a teenager i could see tha the place had gotten long in the tooth. That whole lower block of Market Street had turned into skid row by then.I remember the place was dark inside. Not many people. Some sailors,some dirty old men,and one over sexed teenager. There was the runway going out between the seats. Texas Bobbi Roberts was the big draw. I once saw an old newspaper that dated back to the War. She was the big star then too. I think she was married to the owner,Bob Johnston. Well ol' Bobbi could still shake her boobies. She made the twirls on her pasties look like airplane propellers.

Eddie Ware was the comedian. He looked like that kids' entertainer Pinky Lee except the stuff that came out of his mouth would warrant a bar of soap . He'd do routines with the girls and everytime there was a joke,the drummer in the pit band would drop a bomb or hit a rim shot.

Next door to the Hollywood was the watering hole called the Sports Palace. It was owned by the same guy,Bob Johnston. After i had turned twenty one I went in there . It wasn't the first time for me. My father had taken me in there when I was a little kid. We were in the back room with Bob Johnston and Doc Kearns. At the time they had Archie Moore. I didn't know what they were really talking about,but I do remember them having a laugh over the Willard fight. Dempsey was handled by Kearns at that time.

I walked inside the Sports Palace like I said before. I was twenty one and didn't worry about being pinched.The cops never went inside . They knew Johnston could handle his own problems. The neighborhood and the two joints owned by Bob Johnston had yellowed with age even more.I recognized Johnston behind the bar. Most of the customers were at the back standing around old Stymie the piano player. They looked pretty drunk and were singing all the old favorites except substituting cuss words in the appropriate spots in the melodies.

Johnston drew me a draft. I looked at all the old fight pictures on the walls. They had darkened from all the cigarette smoke.
"Lot's of history here,"I said to the owner.
"Yes,but I don't talk about it much. You start talking about the past and the past becomes the present."
I looked over at group at the piano. They were singing"As Time Goes By." Insread of a "kiss is just a kiss",it was a "F is just a F".
"See ol' Stymie over there?"said the owner."He used to be Archie Moore's sparring partner when they still were drawing the color line."
"He plays pretty good."
"He's a better piano player than he was a fighter."
I looked at more of the old pictures.
"Didn't you have Dempsey?"
"That was my brother Charley. Him and Doc."
"What did you think of Dempsey?"
"The most protected fighter there ever was."
"He used to come to San Diego didn't he?"
"He'd come in here and go to the Foreign Club in Tijuana."
"I bet you made a lot of money in the fight game."
"I did OK. But my big score was next door and with the bar. The war years made rich."
"How's next door doing?"
"It's slow. With all the bars now where the girls are completely nude, and besides you can serve liquor in these joints.Burlesque girls won't work those places."
"Didn't Doc have "Archie Moore?"
"Him and my brother Charlie."
"Took a long time for Archie to get his shot."
"That was the deal.In order for him to have the title my brother and Doc would control him. Remember Doc was with Maxim that night in St. Louis."
"Really."
"It was hard making money with Joey. He couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag."
"You make it sound like fighting is a crooked sport."
"Son"he said looking close to me,"With characters like me and my brother,Doc Kearns,organized crime,not to mention every gambler in the world having a hand in it,do you really think the laundry is going to come out smelling clean?"
After hearing him say that,I swore I heard a rim shot.


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It's A Wonder They Call It Bread

"Your father started out as a baker in Chicago,"said Jackey"The Lackey to my father they sat on the couch with Frankie LaPorte.The "boys" for some reason came out from Chicago to discuss business.
"My father always said that if you knew how to bake bread you'd never starve,"said my father.
"Diamond Joe had the first bakery delivery in Chicago driving a dray,"said Frankie LaPorte.
The "boys"were getting hungry. My mother was making making egg plant parmesian,chicken cacciatore,and sausage and peppers. The aroma from the kitchen was overwhelming.
"Roger,"my father said to me,"go to Soluntos and get the bread. Make sure the bread is hot and fresh. Be back in time.
"OK,"I answered and grabbed the car keys.
"Where's he going?" askedJackey"The Lackey."
"He's got to drive downtown,"said my father. Soluntos is the only Italian bakery in town. Can't get Italian bread anywhere else."
"You mean to say in a town this size ,there's only one place that makes Italian bread?"asked Frankie.
"Yeah,can you believe that?"
"What the hell's the world coming to?"asked Jackey "The Lackey".
"A town of over a million and only one place that makes Italian bread,"said my father.
"These Paddy's must live on Wonder Bread,"said Frankie.
"It's a wonder they call it bread."
Just then my mother came in with the antipasto.
"I hope your son comes back soon,"said Jackie"The Lackey"."You can't start the meal without bread."


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Everyday Roger ? I'd love it. I once worked with a Battalion Chief in the firehouse who said he could eat spaghetti 6 days a week. One of the days-he'd give his wife a break. LOL.
He is Italian.
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CNorkusJr wrote:Everyday Roger ? I'd love it. I once worked with a Battalion Chief in the firehouse who said he could eat spaghetti 6 days a week. One of the days-he'd give his wife a break. LOL.
He is Italian.

Put it this way Charley ,everything cooked in our house was made "Italian Style". Frying an egg to baking a cake. :lol:
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There Are No Rules In A Knife Fight

When my uncle Paddy got out of the slammer I asked him how it was. He'd served time for ,let's just say,being with the wrong people at the wrong place at the wrong time. The wise guys downtown didn't help him out on the legal end of it. He wound up with a public defender and then wound up serving 3 of 5 at Joliet. I guess my uncle was getting to be more of a problem than the boys downtown could handle. Maybe he was lucky he served time instead of floating face down in Lake Michigan.
"What was it like in there?"I asked him.
"Worst place on Earth."
"But you boxed. You could handle yourself."
"I could handle myself in a boxing ring,but inside it's different."
"Were you worried?"
"Never more scared in my life."
"So what did you do?"
"Made sure I connected myself with the right people. There are no cowboys in jail."
"Ever see violence?"
"Everyday. Someone getting shanked. Someone getting raped.Even guys getting killed."
"What did the guards do?"
"Nothing. When it was over they cleaned up the mess."
"Ever get into a beef?"
"Sure. Being a fighter I became a mark. Always someone wanted to take you down. I had to have protection in there or they would have killed me."
"Did they have a boxing gym in there?"
"They had a team."
"Did you join?"
"No."
"Why not?"
"Wouldn't do me any good. Besides there's no rules in a knife fight."
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We're All The Same

When we were kids we had the beach pretty much to ourselves. In Ocean Beach there were two beaches. One we called North and one we called South. The surfers who hung out at South Beach were a little more upper class if you wanted to call it that. North Beach guys were more low life. However there was no animosity towards one another. We had gone to school together. The North Beach guys got into drugs first. We were sort of the groundbreakers. Radical so to speak. Pretty soon every strata of society was doing drugs.It was no big deal anymore.

How some of us made it through that "acid trip" is a miracle. Today, what locals that still had the strength to go to the beach, go own in the morning to South Beach in the parking lot by the lifeguard station. Some still surf,some get their heads wet. Others just watch the surf break.

During the summer I drive down to South Beach and get a morning swim. It's too early in the morning for the parking lot to fill up. There's still a group of the old guys that make it their daily routine to go to the beach in the morning. By nine o'clock we are gone. Let the others have at it.

I remember about ten years ago,maybe it was longer than that,I pulled into the parking lot with my old Astro Van. I could smell the salt air from the ocean and hear the sea gulls squawking.A big patch of brown kelp was floating just outside the breakwater. The parking lot had just a few cars. I saw Petey's Volks Wagon Van. His German Shepard Rusty was waiting for him in the back. Mouse and Crobes were watching the water. Mouse started surfing in the late 40's. Surfers didn't care how old your were. They once asked Mike Doyle,a champion surfer of yesteryear,who he thought the best surfer was today. He said,"The one having the most fun." That's how it is. The locals ,what was left of them,enjoyed the friendships that were nurtured at the beach.

I got out of my Astro and sidled up next to Mouse and Crobes. Crobes had recently retired from the fire department. Mouse had worked at the defense plant for 30 years. Now they both had plenty time for the water.
"Hi Roger,"said Mouse.
"How's it going Rog?"asked Crobes. "Going in for you daily swim?"
"The day isn't right if I don't get my head wet."
They both stared out the waves.
"It's a little blown out,but there's some nice little lefts by the pier,"said Mouse.
"You going in?"I asked.
"Yeah. I'll get my wetsuit on and give it a try."
"How bout you Kenny?"I asked Crobes.
"I went in earlier. The knee stiffened up."
I looked behind me and saw a big black Mercedes pull in and park next to our vehicles. It was David Wells. He had a day off from the Yankees.It was shortly after that perfect game. David got out and stood next to us.
"Hi David ,"said all of us.
"I'm here to see my mother and sister,"he said.
We figured that. David grew up in Ocean Beach .He was one of the local rug rats who lived with his brother,sister,and mom at the foot of West Point Loma Boulevard near the beach. I coached David some in Little League. He was good then and was good at every leval of baseball as he worked his way up the ladder. He pitched Point Loma High to the CIF Championship.

We all were staring at the surf. Then Mouse went to his truck to change. I could see petey walking up the beach.
"Hi David,"he said.
We all knew David. We all knew him when his mom was living with the Hell's Angels and how protective she was of him. She was tough and didn't take nothing from no one. We all told her David was something special. She wouldn't let David play football because she was afraid he'd hurt his arm. I remember the day he pitched the team to the CIF Championship. All the Hell's Angels were there. It was something like that movie"Mask" with Cher and David being kind of a "Rocky Dennis.
"How was the surf?"asked David.
"It was fun ,"answered Petey. "There were some nice little lefts coming through."
I looked at my watch. It was nearing 9 o'clock. Mouse was into his wet suit. Petey was drying off with an old towel. Crobes turned to the parking lot.
"Well I think I'll cruise the cliffs and go home,"he said. "See you David."
"I think I'll get my head wet and then go home too,"i said.
"I think I'll see my mother,"said David.
As I dipped under a wave and came up through the back of it,I knew that whatever else I did that day was not that important.
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Barber Shop "El Rey"

I've got this "Sentri Pass" that lets me in a special line at the border coming back to the U.S. You have to go through Homeland Security to qualify. Once you get the OK ,there's just a few minutes wait in line driving your car across instead of the usual two to three hours. Me and the wife have this "Sentri Pass" so going to TJ isn't a hassle anymore.

Saturday we decided to go down and get the dogs a "Poodle Cut" for the summer. Then I'd get a painting framed at Esthers and the wife and daughter would go to the mercado. While waiting for the frame to be put on,I'd get a haircut.

I dropped the women off at the vet and I pulled into the parking lot adjoining "Esthers Galleria". Esther's daughter was behind the counter. I asked about her mother and she said that she had gone to Cuernavaca.
"My mother has a sister there ,"said the daughter."It's her birthday. She'll be gone for two weeks."
I put the painting down on the counter. It was a watercolor my grand daughter had painted of the shoreline of Cadiz,Spain.
"This is very pretty,"said the daughter. "Is this yours?"
"No,it's my grand daughter's. Now she can paint as well as dance."
"She must have your gift, her artistic side from you."
"Thank you,but she has her own way of doing things."
"Come back in an hour and it will be ready."
I left the painting and walked up the street two blocks to the barber shop,"El Rey". I'd been going there off and on for years. The barbers there took their time. Used the scissors a lot,always shaved around the ears with lather and soap and made sure to trim the eyebrows and snip the nose and ear hairs. In the U.S. it was zip zip and your done. No shaving .No trimming.

I don't have much hair left anyway. I've got few hairs on top and the old man's "solar plate" on the back of my head. The barber shop had been around for a good 60 years. Pictures of the Mexican Revolution were on the walls. The ceiling was high and the barber chairs old and comfortable. As I walked inside there was an empty chair near the door. The woman motioned with her hand for me to sit down. She was very plain looking and slim.She wore glasses and acted very professional. The way the other barbers gave her the money I presumed she was the owner.
"A number one,"I said.
"And the back?"she asked.
"Round please."
A few heavy set women sitting by the window were waiting for their husbands get finished getting their haircuts. They glanced at me. From my tone they knew I was an American. I felt comfortable and relaxed in the chair. The woman asked me how I felt.
"Muy bien gracias,"I answered.
While she was cutting my hair,I saw my wife and daughter walking up the street. The came to the open door.
"Donde vas?"I asked.
A little startled, they saw me in the barber chair.
"Vamos al mercado,' said my wife."Listos son los perros."
My wife then asked me if I wanted to eat at the Chinese restaurant next door when I was done with the haircut. I said yes. The woman cutting my hair said to my wife it wasn't time yet. My wife stepped inside the door.
"Make sure you cut the hairs out of his nose,"my wife said in a loud voice.
The heavy set women by the door looked sheepishly at me smiling.
"Yeah. Yeah.Don't worry about that,"I said. I'll meet you next door.
I felt I had to explain something.
"My wife is not afraid of me."I said wanting every one to hear."She from the ranch. You know how it is."
The woman cutting my hair tilted the chair back and put a pillow under my head.
"I want to make you comfortable ,"she said softly. "You come back one day and I'll shave you and put the warm towel on your face."
She trimmed the hairs in my nostrils carefully and raised then chair. She powdered my scalp and rubbed cologne in my hair. She held up the mirror in front of me .
"Buen hecho ,"I said.
She did not put the mirror in back of me so I could see the back of my head. As I got up from the chair to pay her I had seen that she was not wearing her glasses. When I handed her the money she looked down at the floor.
"Muchas gracias,"I said.
"Gracias senor y vaya con Dios."
I walked outside and put my hand on my head. I was hungry. I had a taste for Chinese food.
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My wife Maria and her godmother,Josefa, on the ranch in Paredones,Michoacan.Her godmother is 108 years old.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Image

My wife Maria and her godmother,Josefa, on the ranch in Paredones,Michoacan.Her godmother is 108 years old.
Awesome-simply awesome. 108 and looks like she can still hold her own. Roger-do you know if her early years memories are still with her. I'd put them on tape or digital camera if she has.
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CNorkusJr wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

My wife Maria and her godmother,Josefa, on the ranch in Paredones,Michoacan.Her godmother is 108 years old.
Awesome-simply awesome. 108 and looks like she can still hold her own. Roger-do you know if her early years memories are still with her. I'd put them on tape or digital camera if she has.

Charley,I've written about her before,but I'll work up another story on her after me and the wife go shopping. Yeah,she's got some stories alright! Thanks,Rog
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dagosd2000 wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

My wife Maria and her godmother,Josefa, on the ranch in Paredones,Michoacan.Her godmother is 108 years old.
Awesome-simply awesome. 108 and looks like she can still hold her own. Roger-do you know if her early years memories are still with her. I'd put them on tape or digital camera if she has.

Charley,I've written about her before,but I'll work up another story on her after me and the wife go shopping. Yeah,she's got some stories alright! Thanks,Rog
Amazing woman. My paternal grandmother lived to be 103, also amazing, but 108 and in such great shape is a testimate to great genes.
I know she understands how tough life can be.
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Under The Shade Of The Avocado Tree

Every year when we go to Jiquilpan to our summer home,we make a point to drive up to top of the mountain outside of town to visit my wife's godmother who lives in Paredones.Her name is Josefa. She was my wife's father's sister. My wife never saw her father. He was a paymaster for a mining company in Michoacan. One day on his way home with the payroll riding his horse down the mountain he was robbed by bandits and killed. My mother in law gave birth to my future wife six months later. The family wanted to have Josefa be the godmother.

As far as I know she hasn't moved much from that mountain.She was staying with a niece at her ranchita in Paredones. Last year when we went to visit,the ranchita was abondoned.
"Were is everybody?",I asked a neighbor.
"They left three months ago."
"Why did they go?"
"Probably they were afraid of being robbed. Everyone there was either very young or very old."
"Where did they go?"
"Some I know went to California."
"And Josefa?"
"I think she lives in Lagunita with her daughter."

Lagunita is down the road from Paredones. If Paredones had a population of a hundred,Lagunita was half that size. The pueblito was named after the small lagoon that borders the town. A small store,a one room school house ,and the church with its typical plazita are the only other buildings besides the few house that are there.It was about a five minute drive to Lagunita when we stopped beside a man riding a horse.
"Amigo,"I shouted. "Donde vive la senora Josefa?"
"La hija de Lupe?"
"Si amigo."
He pointed at a dirt road .
"Vaya por el cabo. La ultima casita a la derecha."
I drove the car slowly on the bumpy road. Fences made of broken branches and barbed wire paralleled the road. I saw a big hawk sitting on top of an old oak tree.The house we were looking for was next to it.

I parked the car. We had to walk about a quarter of a mile to the house from the road. I saw a tiny figure of a woman sitting on the porch in the shade of an avocado tree.
"That's my madrina,"said my wife.
As we approached the house a bunch of kids came running up to us. A number of mongrel dogs followed them. The kids were dirty and looked at us with big eyes. Josefa looked at us indifferently as we stopped in front of her. She was wearing a shawl and a stained apron and a long old dress with knee socks and tennis shoes.
"Me recuerdas?"asked my wife.
Just then a woman wearing an apron and a man came out from inside the kitchen.
"Maria Luisa,"said the woman."Como estas prima?"
We all did a big "abrazo",my wife's cousin ,her husband,and ourselves.Josefa sat motionless on the chair.After exchanging niceties ,me and the wife's attention focused on her madrina.
"Madrina,"said my wife. "You live here now."
"Why yes,"said the old woman. "With my daughter."
"How do you feel? Do you have any pains?"
"I only have hunger pains."
She laughed when she said that. Her smile was pretty even without her teeth.
"She does not take medicine,"said the man.
"What did you eat for breakfast?"asked my wife.
"Food,"replied Josefa.
Although she was estimated as being at least a hundred and eight years old,she didn't talk much about her life. She wasn't angry or sad,but thought that her life wasn't that important to talk about. She always responded to questons with few words.
"During the revolution the Cristeros raided the village,"said the man. "Everyone ran to the forest."
The man's hands were calloused and dirty. He had been in the fields in the morning.
"One of the bandits grabbed her and put her on his horse. She was 14 years old,"said the man.
"She had a child with him,"said my wife's cousin. "Then he was killed in a battle."
Josefa was quiet during the conversation.
"What is the secret of living so long?"I asked her.
Josefa rocked a little back and forth and then said,"I don't know."
"I don't think she thinks much about age ,"said the man. "She probably thinks many people are as old as her."
"Do you want to come to the United States with us?"asked my wife kiddingly.
"Oh no,"said Josefa. "I like Paredones and Lagunita."
"How about coming with us down the mountain to Jiquilpan?" I asked.
"Oh no. I like it here."
"Tomorrow she will go to mass with us", said my wife's cousin". She has a few chickens in the back that she cares for. She likes being around the children. She listens to the musica ranchera on the radio."
One of the kids brought out from the house a plate of cactus apples in lime juice and chile. A girl brought the man a cahuama. Me and the wife drank Coca Cola. Josefa ate one of the cactus apples with a tooth pick.
"We must be going back down to Jiquilpan,"said my wife. "One day you must come visit us in our house."
"Gracias,"said the man.
We all hugged again.
Josefa stood up quickly .My wife put a hundred peso note in her hand.
"You buy something for youself,"said my wife.
"I love potato chips,"said Josefa.
Me and the wife got in the car followed by the kids and dogs and the my wife's cousin and her husband.
"You know how to get back?"he asked.
"Yes," I said ."I turn at the church and go down the road."


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My wife,her sister and our son on the ranch in Paredones.
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Great Story Roger, My wife and I hung on to every word. You paint a wonderful picture with your words. God Bless, Josefa and your family.
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I want to thank Don Fraser and the California Boxing Hall of Fame for inducting my father Jose "Potrillo" Lopez.


I'm sorry gentlemen I didn't mean to start any drama, I just wanted to surprise my father by getting him into the CBHOF and possibly getting his name spelled right "Potrillo".
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CNorkusJr wrote:
LoVeMyFaThEr wrote:I want to thank Don Fraser and the California Boxing Hall of Fame for inducting my father Jose "Potrillo" Lopez.
It's truly sad that you are being forced into making that statement in writing by Don Fraser and his staff. Your father was a great boxer and earned the honor of being a Inducted into the California Boxing Hall Of Fame, like my father was, ON MERIT OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE RING.
Hundreds of people know what is going on behind the scenes of the Ca. Boxing HOF and I hope Frank Baltazar has the audacity to show this to anyone who sits on the Board of the CA B HOF.

I would like to see him force Harold Lederman, the family of Gil Clancy, George Foreman or Andre Ward make such a public statement in support of Don.
Don is the President of the HOF and therefore be HONORED that all boxers are fortunate enough to be in HIS HOF. No one person is bigger than the sport and these boxers and trainers and officials made it that way with their BLood and hard work.

Jose "Potrillo" Lopez deserves to be in the HOF and shouldnt have to kiss no ones ass to get that recognition.
Charlie, what is truly sad is that you would post bullshit like this without knowing the facts.The fact is that I had nothing do with Portillo Lopez daughter writing a statement of any kind, I have in fact never talked to her...By the way I know that this is not really coming from you, somebody fed you this bullshit and you felled for it.
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