Jimmy Young Vs Pinklon Thomas. What If?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 13 Oct 2005, 14:13

Who do you guys think would have won if the Pinklon Thomas of 84/85 who beat Mike Weaver and Tim Witherspoon fought the Jimmy Young of 76/77 who beat George Foreman and Ron Lyle?

Jimmy Young.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000276

Pinklon Thomas.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000880

Who wins between this two iron chinned Boxers?

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 13 Oct 2005, 14:21

KOJOE90 wrote:Who do you guys think would have won if the Pinklon Thomas of 84/85 who beat Mike Weaver and Tim Witherspoon fought the Jimmy Young of 76/77 who beat George Foreman and Ron Lyle?

Jimmy Young.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000276

Pinklon Thomas.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=000880

Who wins between this two iron chinned Boxers?

Pinklon Thomas by a close verdict.Young was very good, but let's see him deal with Pinklon's jab.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 13 Oct 2005, 14:26

I was a HUGE Pinky fan -- what I wouldn't give to have him around today in his prime. However, Young in his prime was almost un-hittable. This fight, while interesting, probably would have been a snooze fest with Pinky jabbing and Young countering. I would give Young a slight edge over the distance due to some good body punching. Young by disputed SD

Tycoon2002 · Post by **Tycoon2002** » 13 Oct 2005, 17:38

Young would of won the fight rather comfortably. His fight with Witherspoon was lackluster and Witherspoon was just plain ugly to watch but yet gave Pinky a hard fight. Gerrie Coetzee also out jabbed Pinklon for the first half of the fight but as usual Coetzee ran out of steam and Thomas swept the last rounds.

It also took 8 long hard rounds to finally nail Weaver with a right hand which took him out and Weaver wasnt what you called a defensive genious...and Mike was past it by then.

Again Young by wide UD.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 13 Oct 2005, 18:42

I'm going with Young here, It would be like watching Byrd and everyone would be grumpy with event. They would complain that Young was playing it too safe and he sort of eases into a clear but boring decision.

These guys fight 3 times I think Young wins 3 times. Your examples of their respective significant wins very much tells the story in my mind.

Anyone think I'm selling Thomas short here? I don't.

theone · Post by **theone** » 13 Oct 2005, 21:25

These guys fight 3 times I think Young wins 3 times. Your examples of their respective significant wins very much tells the story in my mind.

On the money. Cut and dry in my eyes also.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 14 Oct 2005, 01:44

Young. Thomas beyond the jab was simply above average. He left himself WIDE open to counters, which Young would oblige him with . . .

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Oct 2005, 04:46

I doubt Pinky would land one jab all night on Young.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 14 Oct 2005, 12:00

overhand_right wrote:I doubt Pinky would land one jab all night on Young.

Overhand, I am a little surprised I always had you down as a Pinky fan?

However I sort of agree with your above quote.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 15 Oct 2005, 04:12

I love Pinklon Thomas he had a cool style of boxing & he was a really frightening and intimidating guy in interviews, but he is too basic & predictable for Jimmy Young.

Young would catch & roll from his punches all night & bang him around a bit with sharp but not very powerful counters.

It would be boring & kind of interesting all at the same time probably.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 17 Oct 2005, 12:26

One thing, outside of Ali, how many true boxers did Young face in his heydey?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:53

Nile4000 wrote:One thing, outside of Ali, how many true boxers did Young face in his heydey?

Good question.

I know he was desperate to fight Holmes, but was in no rush to fight Jerry Quarry.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 19 Oct 2005, 15:11

KOJOE90 wrote:
Nile4000 wrote:One thing, outside of Ali, how many true boxers did Young face in his heydey?
Good question.

I know he was desperate to fight Holmes, but was in no rush to fight Jerry Quarry.

KOJOE, in your opinion, how do you think Jimmy would've handled Larry and Jerry?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 21 Oct 2005, 12:59

Nile4000 wrote:KOJOE, in your opinion, how do you think Jimmy would've handled Larry and Jerry?

Very tough one in my opinion and a question I have asked myself many times over the years and am still not completely sure.

Young vs Quarry around 1977 I would lean towards Young on points as Quarry was on the slide by then. May not have been the most exciting fight as both these guys were such clever counterpunchers when they chose to do so. But by 1977 I could see Young fustrating the faiding Quarry and taking him on points.

As for prime vs prime? I really can't say.

As for Young vs Holmes. Another real tough one all though others may differ from my view here and I am sure some will but I have always felt Young had the tricky style to give Holmes a nightmare of a fight. A novice Tim Witherspoon gave a peak Holmes ALL the trouble he could handle. So taking this into account say around 1977 an experienced Young against a slightly green Holmes may have been a bad night for Holmes as I rate Young as a better fighter than the aformentioned Witherspoon. Young may just have taken an close amd unpopular points win over Larry.

Post 77 Young got into drink and drugs after losing to Norton and getting all but blacklisted from another title shot and really never showed up motivated and in shape again. So 78 onwards Holmes on points.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 21 Oct 2005, 13:18

KOJOE90 wrote:Young vs Quarry around 1977 I would lean towards Young on points as Quarry was on the slide by then. May not have been the most exciting fight as both these guys were such clever counterpunchers when they chose to do so. But by 1977 I could see Young fustrating the faiding Quarry and taking him on points.

Quarry in 1977? I was a big Quarry fan, but he was basically shot by 1977. In 1977 he lost every round to Zanon before finally catching the guy in the 9th round with just about the only punches he landed all night. It was very sad to watch. The same Quarry would not have won a round against Young, and may have even been busted up enough to get TKO'd.

Of course, in their primes it's a different fight, but one that would still be hard for Quarry to win. I'd still take Young, but by a close and perhaps controversial decision.

kingpawn · Post by **kingpawn** » 21 Oct 2005, 22:08

The Great John L wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:Young vs Quarry around 1977 I would lean towards Young on points as Quarry was on the slide by then. May not have been the most exciting fight as both these guys were such clever counterpunchers when they chose to do so. But by 1977 I could see Young fustrating the faiding Quarry and taking him on points.
Quarry in 1977? I was a big Quarry fan, but he was basically shot by 1977. In 1977 he lost every round to Zanon before finally catching the guy in the 9th round with just about the only punches he landed all night. It was very sad to watch. The same Quarry would not have won a round against Young, and may have even been busted up enough to get TKO'd.

Of course, in their primes it's a different fight, but one that would still be hard for Quarry to win. I'd still take Young, but by a close and perhaps controversial decision.

Agreed. Young was slippery. Against a natural counterpuncher like Quarry, I think he would have been especially so.

As for Quarry-Zanon, the only thing Quarry had going for him that night was Zanon's chin. I have always thought that fight was one of several around that time that, in retrospect, demonstrated how much of a dropoff in talent occurred from the early and mid-70s to the late-70s and early 80s. I mean, we're talking about a shell of himself Quarry catching and stopping a guy who was a contender and later challenged Holmes for the title.

I think even as dubious a title challenger as Wepner would have beaten Zanon. Chin against no chin, the brawler would eventually catch the weak punching southpaw.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 22 Oct 2005, 07:40

The Great John L wrote:
KOJOE90 wrote:Young vs Quarry around 1977 I would lean towards Young on points as Quarry was on the slide by then. May not have been the most exciting fight as both these guys were such clever counterpunchers when they chose to do so. But by 1977 I could see Young fustrating the faiding Quarry and taking him on points.
Quarry in 1977? I was a big Quarry fan, but he was basically shot by 1977. In 1977 he lost every round to Zanon before finally catching the guy in the 9th round with just about the only punches he landed all night. It was very sad to watch. The same Quarry would not have won a round against Young, and may have even been busted up enough to get TKO'd.

Of course, in their primes it's a different fight, but one that would still be hard for Quarry to win. I'd still take Young, but by a close and perhaps controversial decision.

The Great John L

So you basically agree with me then??

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