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[Datsue]

Forrest vs Quartey: 97-92 Quartey.

First time I'd seen it. Vernon looked like shit but I was astonished at Ike's body-work, defence & stamina at 36.

[gilgamesh]

Forrest vs Quartey: 97-92 Quartey.

First time I'd seen it. Vernon looked like shit but I was astonished at Ike's body-work, defence & stamina at 36.

I had it the same way. Ike got jobbed in that one.

[gilgamesh]

James Toney vs Vassiliy Jirov

R1. 10-9 JT
R2. 10-9 VJ
R3. 10-9 JT
R4. 10-9 VJ
R5. 10-9 JT
R6. 10-10
R7. 10-9 JT
R8. 9-9 Even Pt taken from VJ
R9. 10-9 VJ
R10.10-9 JT
R11.10-9 VJ
R12.10-8 JT

115-112 James Toney

One of the best fights of the 21st century. Back and forth non stop action. But the scoring was ridiculous.

I ended up with a 115-112 score as well. Unfortunately I lost my tape of this fight a long time ago which really sucks as it's one of my favorite fights.

[Rover]

Forrest vs Quartey: 97-92 Quartey.

First time I'd seen it. Vernon looked like shit but I was astonished at Ike's body-work, defence & stamina at 36.

I had it the same way. Ike got jobbed in that one.

x3

[Seamus]

Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes II

R1. 10-9 LH
R2. 10-9 LH
R3. 10-9 LH
R4. 10-9 LH
R5. 10-9 LH
R6. Even 10-10
R7. Even 10-10
R8. 10-9 MS
R9. 10-9 MS
R10. 10-9 MS
R11. 10-9 MS
R12. 10-9 MS
R13. 10-9 MS
R14. 10-9 LH
R15. 10-9 MS

Michael Spinks 144-143

This was a fight I never actually scored before, and so jumped to the conclusion with many others, that Holmes had been robbed. In scoring it today I came to a much different conclusion. As for the recap. Larry Holmes doesn't start off particularly sharp and he's not that accurate with his punches, but he clearly sweeps the first 5 rds because he's throwing and Spinks isn't. Spinks begins to fight back in earnest in the 6th, and the next 2 rds are very back in forth, and so I scored them even. Spinks wins 8 thru 13, by being a bit more aggressive, though some of the rds are fairly close. Holmes briefly hurts Spinks in the 14th with the best punch of the fight, BUT I did not score this a 10-8 rd on the basis, that Larry did nothing to follow up his big advantage, and Spinks was landing before and after being hurt. With the fight even on my scorecard, Spinks pulls out the 15th and the fight by a point.

After 15 rds, it was pretty apparent that Spinks couldn't hurt Holmes, but on the other hand, while the opposite could not be said, Spinks continued throwing and landing several times after being stunned.

[MEISINGER]

wow seamus you are the first person outside of the judges
i have seen give this to spinks

[Rover]

wow seamus you are the first person outside of the judges
i have seen give this to spinks

I also thought Spinks won.

[witherspoon]

Michael Spinks vs Larry Holmes II

R1. 10-9 LH
R2. 10-9 LH
R3. 10-9 LH
R4. 10-9 LH
R5. 10-9 LH
R6. Even 10-10
R7. Even 10-10
R8. 10-9 MS
R9. 10-9 MS
R10. 10-9 MS
R11. 10-9 MS
R12. 10-9 MS
R13. 10-9 MS
R14. 10-9 LH
R15. 10-9 MS

Michael Spinks 144-143

1. 10 - 9 LH 10/9
2. 10 - 9 LH 20/18
3. 10 - 9 LH 30/27
4. 10 - 9 LH 40/36
5. 10 - 9 LH 50/45
6. 9 - 10 MS 59/55
7. 10 - 10 69/65
8. 9 - 10 MS 78/75
9. 9 - 10 MS 87/85
10. 9 - 10 MS 96/95
11. 9 - 10 MS 95/105
12. 10 - 9 LH 115/114
13. 10 - 10 125/124
14. 9 - 10 MS 134/134
15. 9 - 10 MS 143/144

Michael Spinks 144-143, 7-6-1 in rounds.

Seamus, I could not agree more with your breakdown of the fight and like you, I had Spinks pulling out the win in the last round.
I wonder how this fights has come to be seen as a robbery over the years? It was close enough that I would not begrudge anyone voting for Larry, but this is no robbery.
I thought Holmes improved on his performance in the first fight, where I was shocked at how Spinks was making Holmes retreat almost the entire fight. Holmes definately corrected this in the first 5-6 rounds of the rematch. Spinks fought back like a champ though, and I believe that he is underrated as a heavyweight.

[si7dog7]

Spinks

sorry to gatecrash but this was my era of watching and falling in love with boxing.

against the grain, I scored both bouts to Spinks (I have been ridiculed for years for #2)

Now Spinks was very, very good, and tough - see the Qawi fight
I often wondered why the implosion versus Tyson and then nothing. I was gutted as I picked Michael to school the young man.

I am glad though that he left with his health and he seems a real family man.

A bit of a hero to me was The Jinx

[Seamus]

Hey guys, tell me if I'am starting to hallucinate. I just watched the fight in which Willie Pastrano won the World LHW title via a split decision over Harold Johnson, and at the end of 15 rds, I had it 73-64 (11-2-2) for Harold Johnson. What scares me though was the fact that the crowd in Las Vegas didn't seem to have a problem with it. For the life of me I can't see what Pastrano did to win it.

[Seamus]

Rocky Lockridge vs Tony Lopez I

R1. 10-10 Even
R2. 10-10 Even
R3. 10-9 RL
R4. 10-9 RL
R5. 10-9 TL
R6. 10-9 TL
R7. 10-9 TL
R8. 10-8 RL
R9. 10-9 RL
R10 10-9 TL
R11.10-9 TL
R12.10-9 TL

Tony Lopez 115-114

After being badly cut in the eye and mouth by the 6th rd, Lockridge drops Lopez and his him in some trouble in the 8th. With 3 rds to go I had Rocky up by 2, but Lopez pulls out the last 3 and wins the fight.

[Rover]

Rocky Lockridge vs Tony Lopez I

R1. 10-10 Even
R2. 10-10 Even
R3. 10-9 RL
R4. 10-9 RL
R5. 10-9 TL
R6. 10-9 TL
R7. 10-9 TL
R8. 10-8 RL
R9. 10-9 RL
R10 10-9 TL
R11.10-9 TL
R12.10-9 TL

Tony Lopez 115-114

After being badly cut in the eye and mouth by the 6th rd, Lockridge drops Lopez and his him in some trouble in the 8th. With 3 rds to go I had Rocky up by 2, but Lopez pulls out the last 3 and wins the fight.

115-112 Lopez for me. I agree with your score on every round after the 4th; I had it 2-2 through 4. I know I gave the first to Rocky and the second to Lopez, but I can't remember to whom I specifically gave three or four, though I know I split them. I think I gave Rocky the fourth.

[gilgamesh]

I don't remember if it was 10 point must or 5 point must. But I had Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez 8 rounds to 7 for Lockridge. Gomez got the decision...Lockridge dominated the fight so thoroughly in the early going it looked like he was going to stop Gomez in one sided fashion, the fact that Gomez was able to get into the fight and make it legitimately close was commendable indeed.

[Rover]

I don't remember if it was 10 point must or 5 point must. But I had Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez 8 rounds to 7 for Lockridge. Gomez got the decision...Lockridge dominated the fight so thoroughly in the early going it looked like he was going to stop Gomez in one sided fashion, the fact that Gomez was able to get into the fight and make it legitimately close was commendable indeed.

It was 10 point must.

[Rover]

wow seamus you are the first person outside of the judges
i have seen give this to spinks

I also thought Spinks won.

Me three.

Thought you'd said that, but I wasn't completely sure so didn't want to make the claim.

[Seamus]

I've already lost my scorecard, but I recently rewatched Trinidad vs DeLaHoya, and after initially scoring it 115-114 for Tito when I watched it live, this time I had it 114-114 a draw. So, while I can understand if someone claims Oscar just edged it, I also think it's ridiculous to insist he was flat out robbed.

[Rover]

I've already lost my scorecard, but I recently rewatched Trinidad vs DeLaHoya, and after initially scoring it 115-114 for Tito when I watched it live, this time I had it 114-114 a draw. So, while I can understand if someone claims Oscar just edged it, I also think it's ridiculous to insist he was flat out robbed.

115-114 Tito for me also, though I didn't see it until the week after on HBO.

[Seamus]

Ezzard Charles vs Harold Johnson

R1.HJ
R2.Even
R3.EC
R4.EC
R5.HJ
R6.HJ
R7.HJ
R8.HJ
R9.HJ
R10. EC

Scored on Rounds
Harold Johnson 6-3-1

Johnson does an excellent job of keeping Charles off balance and out of rhythm with his stiff jab, and both fighters land there share of solid shots. At the end of 10 however, despite what look's like a clean knockdown for Charles, it's Johnson who has been the more consistent of the two.

[Seamus]

Azumah Nelson vs Juan LaPorte

R1.10-9 JL
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 AN
R4.10-9 JL
R5.10-9 AN
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 JL
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 JL
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-9 AN
R12.10-9 JL

Azumah Nelson 115-113

LaPorte makes Nelson fear his power in the 1sr round, but the showboating Nelson does just enough to win. Sad how LaPorte came up just short in some big fights.

[Rover]

Azumah Nelson vs Juan LaPorte

R1.10-9 JL
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 AN
R4.10-9 JL
R5.10-9 AN
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 JL
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 JL
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-9 AN
R12.10-9 JL

Azumah Nelson 115-113

LaPorte makes Nelson fear his power in the 1sr round, but the showboating Nelson does just enough to win. Sad how LaPorte came up just short in some big fights.

[Rover]

Since this fight is now generating debate, and since scorecards of fights where both are active (Pac/JMM, for instance) have been posted:
Bradley/Provodnikov:
1: 10-9 Provodnikov
2: 10-9 Provodnikov
3: 10-9 Bradley
4: 10-9 Bradley
5: 10-9 Bradley
6: 10-9 Provodnikov
7: 10-9 Bradley
8: 10-9 Bradley
9: 10-9 Bradley
10: 10-9 Bradley
11: 10-9 Provodnikov
12: 10-8 Provodnikov
Total: 114-113 Bradley

[crusader]

I had the same card, and I think the fair scoring range is 113-113 to 115-112 Bradley.

The only swing round was the 11th, and even if you give Ruslan that round and a two point advantage in the second, which there is a strong case for, it's still a draw. I don't see a case for giving Ruslan the fight, as some have, unless one subverts the referee's authority and scores the first 10-8 because of disagreement with the no knockdown ruling; the round wasn't one-sided enough to be scored 10-8 otherwise.

[Seamus]

Azumuh Nelson vs Marcos Villasana I

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 AN
R4.10-9 AN
R5.10-9 AN
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 AN
R8.10-9 MV
R9.10-9 MV
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-10 Even
R12.10-9 AN

Azumah Nelson 118-111

The scoring in this fight was ridiculous. One judge
scored it a draw, and the other two had Nelson only winning by 3 and 4.
Villasana, while displaying a solid chin, was just too slow and infrequent
with his punches for most of the fight.

Wilfredo Gomez vs Juan LaPorte

R1.JL 10-9
R2.WG 10-9
R3.WG 10-9
R4.WG 10-9
R5.JL 10-9
R6.WG 10-9
R7.WG 10-9
R8.WG 10-9
R9.WG 10-9
R10.WG 10-9
R11.Even 10-10
R12.WG 10-9

Wilfredo Gomez 118-111

A brilliant performance by Gomez, who absolutely smothered LaPorte with combinations.

Azumah Nelson vs Jeff Fenech I

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 JF
R4.10-9 JF
R5.10-9 JF
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 JF
R8.10-9 JF
R9.10-9 JF
R10.10-9 JF
R11.Even 10-10
R12.10-9 JF

Jeff Fenech 117-112

Now that I've watched it in it's entirety and scored it, YES, Jeff Fenech was absolutely robbed.

[Rover]

WBA Light Middleweight Championship

Wednesday Night - March 14, 1979 (Kokugikan Arena - Tokyo, Japan)

* WBA ~ Masashi Kudo (Japan) ~ 21-0-0 (12 KO's) ~ Height; 5' 8"
vs.
#5 WBA ~ Manuel Ricardo Gonzalez (Argentina) ~ 43-0-4 (12 KO's) ~ Height; 5' 8 1/2"

27 year-old Masahsi Kudo of Japan was making the '2nd Title Defense' of his WBA Championship, and
the 'super strong but limited skilled' Champion was taking on a pure stylist boxer in the 26 year-old
Argentinian who was the #1 WBA-ranked Challenger, as well as the Argentinian and South American
Light Middleweight Champion.

The winner was supposed to face #1 WBA Challenger - Ayub Kalue within 90-Days.
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This bout was 'taped' for broadcast for CBS Sports, and to be shown on the weekend.

The Fight,

The 'technically skilled' Challenger pecked away with sharp left jabs and pin-point right hands
to build up what seemed like to be an 'insurmountable' points lead after 11 Rounds in the
Champion's backyard.

For some reason, Manuel R. Gonzalez stopped fighting in Round 12, and allowed himself to
be bulled into the ropes by the strong Champion, who mauled the Challenger with an
assortment of awkward - but effective punching.

It still seemed to be a wide points verdict for the Challenger, as '2' of the scoring officials
were Latin American would most likely be casting their cards for the more effective Argentinian.

Scorecards;
* Referee - Luis Salbaran (Venezuela).....146-146 (4-4-7 in Rounds) 'Even'
* Judge - Carlos Berrocal (Panama)........146-144 (6-4-5 in Rounds) Champion - Masashi Kudo
* Judge - Ken Morita (Japan).................148-147 (3-2-10 in Rounds) Champion - Masashi Kudo

The 10,000 Japanese fans at the Kokugikan Arena erupted in cheers, and were in 'total shock'
when the 'Majority Decision' was announced that their countryman Masashi Kudo was awarded
the victory, retaining his WBA Championship.

WBA Executive and Witness - Bill Miller could not belive what he saw, and later stated the he
was embarrassed as a WBA Representative, and that the Argentinian was clearly and without
a doubt the winner in the Ring.

A 'complaint' was filed by the Challengers Camp, and the WBA Grievance Committee ordered
a 'rematch', which pushed #1 Challenger - Ayub Kalue to sit-and-watch' again.

The Pacific Stars and Stripes (AP Report) scored the bout for Manuel Ricardo Gonzalez by
a tally of 146-142 (8-4-3 in Rounds).

Associated Press, There was not a Round in the first 11-Rounds that we could honestly
score for the Champion. The Champion won the last 4-Rounds, only because the
Challenger fought defensively protecting his 'apparent' points lead. Quite possibly,
the worst Decison we have ever seen in Japan.

Morita's a bad judge. Remember Tyson/Douglas?

[Rover]

Azumuh Nelson vs Marcos Villasana I

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 AN
R4.10-9 AN
R5.10-9 AN
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 AN
R8.10-9 MV
R9.10-9 MV
R10.10-9 AN
R11.10-10 Even
R12.10-9 AN

Azumah Nelson 118-111

The scoring in this fight was ridiculous. One judge
scored it a draw, and the other two had Nelson only winning by 3 and 4.
Villasana, while displaying a solid chin, was just too slow and infrequent
with his punches for most of the fight.

Wilfredo Gomez vs Juan LaPorte

R1.JL 10-9
R2.WG 10-9
R3.WG 10-9
R4.WG 10-9
R5.JL 10-9
R6.WG 10-9
R7.WG 10-9
R8.WG 10-9
R9.WG 10-9
R10.WG 10-9
R11.Even 10-10
R12.WG 10-9

Wilfredo Gomez 118-111

A brilliant performance by Gomez, who absolutely smothered LaPorte with combinations.

Azumah Nelson vs Jeff Fenech I

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 JF
R4.10-9 JF
R5.10-9 JF
R6.10-9 AN
R7.10-9 JF
R8.10-9 JF
R9.10-9 JF
R10.10-9 JF
R11.Even 10-10
R12.10-9 JF

Jeff Fenech 117-112

Now that I've watched it in it's entirety and scored it, YES, Jeff Fenech was absolutely robbed.

The draw card for Nelson/Villasana was shocking. Nelson clearly won the first 6, the 10th and the 12th. I also scored the 11th for him.
117-111 for me.