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The first wasn't one-sided enough for me to score it 10-8 w/o a knockdown. I can see the second being scored 10-8 though, leading to a 113-113 card.
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crusader wrote:The first wasn't one-sided enough for me to score it 10-8 w/o a knockdown. I can see the second being scored 10-8 though, leading to a 113-113 card.
But I think a KD was missed in the first. Had Russell called it a KD, you'd have scored it 10-8, right?
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Ya, meaning I would've had it a draw. I acknowledged the ref's decision though.

If a KD had been called I could see a one point Provodnikov win, since I think there's a case that the second could've been 10-8 without a knockdown.
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I wasn't scoring it, but I think my score would be 114-113 Provodnikov.
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It's really too bad the ref missed the call.
The consensus here seems to be 114-113 Bradley.
Sometimes people say that nobody deserved to lose a fight. I don't feel that way; the score is what it is. Had there been no bad call, I'd feel no sympathy for RP because Bradley IMHO won 7-5. Because of the bad call, however, I do feel sympathy for RP because he has a loss that rightfully (forgetting the "nobody deserved to lose that war" crap) should have been a draw based on two cards that certainly would've had a 10-8 round if Russell hadn't blown it.
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Rover wrote:It's really too bad the ref missed the call.
The consensus here seems to be 114-113 Bradley.
Sometimes people say that nobody deserved to lose a fight. I don't feel that way; the score is what it is. Had there been no bad call, I'd feel no sympathy for RP because Bradley IMHO won 7-5. Because of the bad call, however, I do feel sympathy for RP because he has a loss that rightfully (forgetting the "nobody deserved to lose that war" crap) should have been a draw based on two cards that certainly would've had a 10-8 round if Russell hadn't blown it.
It doesn't really matter in the long run, Provodnikov did much, much better than most anybody thought he was capable of, and he almost certainly assured himself another big oppurtunity in the near future. Even though the decision didn't go his way, in a lot of ways, even in losing Ruslan has the most noteworthy moment of his career and his name will be in the discussion for more big fights in the future. In a lot of ways, it was a win for him.
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gilgamesh wrote:
Rover wrote:It's really too bad the ref missed the call.
The consensus here seems to be 114-113 Bradley.
Sometimes people say that nobody deserved to lose a fight. I don't feel that way; the score is what it is. Had there been no bad call, I'd feel no sympathy for RP because Bradley IMHO won 7-5. Because of the bad call, however, I do feel sympathy for RP because he has a loss that rightfully (forgetting the "nobody deserved to lose that war" crap) should have been a draw based on two cards that certainly would've had a 10-8 round if Russell hadn't blown it.
It doesn't really matter in the long run, Provodnikov did much, much better than most anybody thought he was capable of, and he almost certainly assured himself another big oppurtunity in the near future. Even though the decision didn't go his way, in a lot of ways, even in losing Ruslan has the most noteworthy moment of his career and his name will be in the discussion for more big fights in the future. In a lot of ways, it was a win for him.
A draw would've been better than a loss.
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Yeah, and let's not kid ourselves. Ruslan isn't going to be a star and it's the fact that they thought he was going to be a pushover that he even got a shot to face Bradley at all.
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Blodhemn wrote:Yeah, and let's not kid ourselves. Ruslan isn't going to be a star and it's the fact that they thought he was going to be a pushover that he even got a shot to face Bradley at all.
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Rover wrote:
gilgamesh wrote:
Rover wrote:It's really too bad the ref missed the call.
The consensus here seems to be 114-113 Bradley.
Sometimes people say that nobody deserved to lose a fight. I don't feel that way; the score is what it is. Had there been no bad call, I'd feel no sympathy for RP because Bradley IMHO won 7-5. Because of the bad call, however, I do feel sympathy for RP because he has a loss that rightfully (forgetting the "nobody deserved to lose that war" crap) should have been a draw based on two cards that certainly would've had a 10-8 round if Russell hadn't blown it.
It doesn't really matter in the long run, Provodnikov did much, much better than most anybody thought he was capable of, and he almost certainly assured himself another big oppurtunity in the near future. Even though the decision didn't go his way, in a lot of ways, even in losing Ruslan has the most noteworthy moment of his career and his name will be in the discussion for more big fights in the future. In a lot of ways, it was a win for him.
A draw would've been better than a loss.
Of course, it would have. I think Provodnikov would've only been slightly happier with that result though. Anything less than a win would be a dissapointment when you shook the guy up and knocked him down in the final round, at any rate I think we'll see Ruslan again. At least in an HBO undercard or on a PPV undercard or something. Exciting fighters get oppurtunities.
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Sure, we'll see him again, but in terms of marketability, a draw would've been better.
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Jones called Bradley the Tim Tebow of boxing. Kellerman then took a shot at Tebow.
:lol:
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I imagine this fight won't be on Youtube any time soon. If anyone knows anywhere else that I can view this, drop us a PM please.
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The judges scored 11 of the 12 rounds the same. Two gave the 11th to RP, while one had it for Tim.
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all the scores i have collected will be on soon.
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I had it 114-113 for Bradley and 95-93 for Vargas.

If you want to score that first round 10-8 for R.P. because of the missed knockdown, that would seem acceptable, thus making it a 113-113 draw. Aside from that, there was a swing round (I think the 11th) that could have went either way, I gave it to R.P. The rest of the rounds I thought were pretty easy to score. There is no logical way somebody could have R.P. winning, unless you gave him a 10-8 round in the first AND the second round, giving him a one point win. Anybody that thinks R.P. was robbed...... :roll:
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armageto wrote:I had it 114-113 for Bradley and 95-93 for Vargas.

If you want to score that first round 10-8 for R.P. because of the missed knockdown, that would seem acceptable, thus making it a 113-113 draw. Aside from that, there was a swing round (I think the 11th) that could have went either way, I gave it to R.P. The rest of the rounds I thought were pretty easy to score. There is no logical way somebody could have R.P. winning, unless you gave him a 10-8 round in the first AND the second round, giving him a one point win. Anybody that thinks R.P. was robbed...... :roll:
There are indeed a couple "robbery" people here.
Nice to see good judging last night, though 97-92 Vargas was too wide. Aside from that, well done.
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I watched this fight with the volume down (after it started). I watched it a second time last night and I am about to watch it a third time.

So far,

Round 1 = 10-8 Provodnikov. Should have been a KD ruled and if it had been this fight could have been correctly stopped, or Bradley may not have beat the count. Bradley was on Kahn legs. He was actually saved by the ref. Bradley was no doubt suffering from a concussion from this round forward. The mistakes were made in this round. Bradley chose to trade rather than the easy path. From this round forward, anything that Bradley did was completely on heart and he cannot be held responsible for ignorant decisions made.

Round 2 = 10-9 Provodnikov (20-17 Provo). But, this round could have been scored 10-8 because Bradley was saved by the ropes from another KD. This fight could have been stopped by the ref legitimately in this round.

Round 3 = 10-9 Bradley (29-27 Provo). But, I would have had no problem if someone had scored this round 10-8 Bradley because Provodnikov was completely unable to throw and simply absorbed punishment for the entire round. The fact that Bradley was still there at this point is a testament to what a freak of nature he is.

Round 4 = 10-9 Bradley (38-37 Provo). Provodnikov threw too little for consideration in this round.

Round 5 = 10-9 Bradley (47-47). Bradley seems to be back in touch with reality now and taking control.

Round 6 = 10-9 Provodnikov (57-56 Provo). Bradley gets hurt again and reverts to the subconscious do or die warrior gene he possesses.

Round 7 = 10-9 Bradley (66-66). Provodnikov has only himself to blame for not being able to come out and finish Bradley. Tim is just a complete freak.

Round 8 = 10-9 Bradley (76-75 Bradley). Somehow, someway Bradley, still deep in the recesses of a concussion has assumed control of this fight.

Round 9 = 10-9 Bradley (86-84 Bradley). Honestly, I feel we were witnessing a miracle at this juncture. It looks like at this point the fight might be stopped at any time on Provodnikov cuts.

Round 10 = 10-9 Bradley (96-93 Bradley). It looks like Bradley is taking this to the house, on spaghetti legs and all.

Round 11 = 10-9 Provodnikov (105-103 Bradley). Closest round of the fight. Technically could have gone either way but Tim was hurt worse.

Round 12 = 10-8 Provodnikov (113-113). Bradley is saved by a combination of his heart, the ropes, the ref and the bell.

This fight was a draw. But, Provodnikov has only himself to blame for the loss. Bradley served him the fight on a golden platter. He could not put away a guy who was not completely there for 11 plus rounds.

I still believe that if anyone won that fight it was Provodnikov. He damaged Bradley more and won the championship rounds.

This was one of the greatest fights of my lifetime, and I am approaching retirement. It was the most amazing performance by a fighter ever, imo, by Bradley, albeit thanks to a foolhardy early strategy.
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I gave Prov rounds 1,2,6,8,10,11,12 with an extra point in round 12 for a 115-112 win.

rounds 8,10,11 are all close and most gave them to Bradley.

so Bradley winning is not a robbery in my opinion. Could have went either way, I just favored Prov in those close rounds.

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1 Prov
2 Prov
3 Brad
4 Brad
5 Brad
6 Even
7 Brad
8 Brad
9 Brad
10 Brad
11 Prov
12 Prov (10-8)

115-113 Bradley

Bradley did enough in a lot of rounds through the first 2/3s to more than offset the late round Provodnikov flurries/Bradley brain farts.
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Draw for me, 113-113. I gave Prod two 10-8 rounds, in the second & the twelfth.

No robbery. Great fight.
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armageto wrote:I had it 114-113 for Bradley and 95-93 for Vargas.

If you want to score that first round 10-8 for R.P. because of the missed knockdown, that would seem acceptable, thus making it a 113-113 draw. Aside from that, there was a swing round (I think the 11th) that could have went either way, I gave it to R.P. The rest of the rounds I thought were pretty easy to score. There is no logical way somebody could have R.P. winning, unless you gave him a 10-8 round in the first AND the second round, giving him a one point win. Anybody that thinks R.P. was robbed...... :roll:

Agreed that if anyone won, it was Bradley. I gave Provodnikov the benefit of every doubt because Bradley's punches had feck-all on them & he was repeatedly hurt & shaken up by punches, but to give him any more credit than I did strays into the realms of the preposterous, or just weird.
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113-113 for me.
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lol @ all of these bitter Pacquiao fans giving out 10-8 rounds to Provodnikov like candy
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It was a draw to me. Russell blew the call.

Regardless, Tim Bradley will never be the same after that.
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