top 30 heavyweight poll?

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 16 Mar 2013, 17:45

HomicideHenry wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You also have 37 fighters.
Yeah, I tied some of them at certain rankings. It's too hard to rank some above one another.

Why would ties make it a top 37?

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 16 Mar 2013, 17:48

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
HomicideHenry wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:You also have 37 fighters.
Yeah, I tied some of them at certain rankings. It's too hard to rank some above one another.
Why would ties make it a top 37?

Just roll with it ffs

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 16 Mar 2013, 18:10

It was a simple question, a normal person just skips a number if they have a tie. Though you also seem to think the Klitschko's are one entity, even if they are you have them too high.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 16 Mar 2013, 18:33

MEISINGER wrote:
HomicideHenry wrote:#1- Larry Holmes
#2- Muhammad Ali & Joe Louis
#3- Sam Langford
#4- Rocky Marciano
#5- Jack Dempsey
#6- Jack Johnson
#7- George Foreman
#8- James J. Jeffries
#9- Lennox Lewis
#10- Klitschko Brothers
#11- Evander Holyfield
#12- Mike Tyson
#13- Joe Frazier & Ken Norton
#14- Ezzard Charles & Jersey Joe Walcott
#15- Max Schmeling
#16- Sonny Liston
#17- Max Baer
#18- Floyd Patterson
#19- Harry Wills & George Godfrey
#20- Primo Carnera
#21- Tim Witherspoon
#22- Michael Dokes
#23- Jimmy Young
#24- Ken Norton
#25- Jerry Quarry
#26- Gene Tunney
#27- Archie Moore
#28- Buster Douglas
#29- Sam McVey & Joe Jeanette
#30- Bob Fitzsimmons
you have norton at 13 and 24?

Hey, why should everything always make sense? Buzz would appreciate this.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 16 Mar 2013, 18:39

I FIXED the rankings. Sheesh.

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 16 Mar 2013, 18:41

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ok, I'm not researching anything but to get the ball rolling.

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Holyfield
5. Foreman
6. Frazier
7. Johnson
8. Lewis
9. marciano
10. Liston
11. Jeffries
12. Charles
13. Walcott
14. Dempsey
15. Tyson
16. Schmeling
17. Wills
18. Langford
19. Norton
20. Jeanette
21. McVey
22. Bowe
23. Tunney
24. Young
25. Patterson
26. Baer
27. Moore
28. Quarry
29. Conn
30. Moorer

Patterson, and Tunney should be higher.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 16 Mar 2013, 19:07

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was a simple question, a normal person just skips a number if they have a tie. Though you also seem to think the Klitschko's are one entity, even if they are you have them too high.

saad go to current scene and see how everyone rates the klits as one fighter.

if vitali already beat a guy wlad does not need to defend against them.
or vice versa

you would think they are the first tag team boxing champions of all time

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 16 Mar 2013, 19:14

Top 15

Louis
Ali
Holmes
Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Lewis
Liston
Tyson
Dempsey
Johnson
Jeffries
Marciano
Charles
Walcott

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 16 Mar 2013, 19:34

MEISINGER wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It was a simple question, a normal person just skips a number if they have a tie. Though you also seem to think the Klitschko's are one entity, even if they are you have them too high.
saad go to current scene and see how everyone rates the klits as one fighter.

if vitali already beat a guy wlad does not need to defend against them.
or vice versa

you would think they are the first tag team boxing champions of all time

Trust me, I know it happens all the time. I just expect a higher standard in here, even if I'm not surprised by henry's clown list.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 16 Mar 2013, 19:36

yancey wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ok, I'm not researching anything but to get the ball rolling.

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Holyfield
5. Foreman
6. Frazier
7. Johnson
8. Lewis
9. marciano
10. Liston
11. Jeffries
12. Charles
13. Walcott
14. Dempsey
15. Tyson
16. Schmeling
17. Wills
18. Langford
19. Norton
20. Jeanette
21. McVey
22. Bowe
23. Tunney
24. Young
25. Patterson
26. Baer
27. Moore
28. Quarry
29. Conn
30. Moorer
Patterson, and Tunney should be higher.

Perhaps I overextended how overrated Tunney is on most Heavyweight lists. Who should he be ahead of? He really is only marginally better than Michael Spinks at heavy imo.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 17 Mar 2013, 13:48

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
yancey wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Ok, I'm not researching anything but to get the ball rolling.

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Holyfield
5. Foreman
6. Frazier
7. Johnson
8. Lewis
9. marciano
10. Liston
11. Jeffries
12. Charles
13. Walcott
14. Dempsey
15. Tyson
16. Schmeling
17. Wills
18. Langford
19. Norton
20. Jeanette
21. McVey
22. Bowe
23. Tunney
24. Young
25. Patterson
26. Baer
27. Moore
28. Quarry
29. Conn
30. Moorer
Patterson, and Tunney should be higher.
Perhaps I overextended how overrated Tunney is on most Heavyweight lists. Who should he be ahead of? He really is only marginally better than Michael Spinks at heavy imo.

If ranked at HW, I'd put him far ahead of Spinks. Tunney definitively won both of his fights with the past-his-prime great he fought; Spinks clearly got a gift in the Holmes rematch. I'd also rank Weinert and Heeney well ahead of an alcoholic, inactive Cooney and Tangstad.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 17 Mar 2013, 14:12

dempseyfire wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
yancey wrote:
Patterson, and Tunney should be higher.
Perhaps I overextended how overrated Tunney is on most Heavyweight lists. Who should he be ahead of? He really is only marginally better than Michael Spinks at heavy imo.
If ranked at HW, I'd put him far ahead of Spinks. Tunney definitively won both of his fights with the past-his-prime great he fought; Spinks clearly got a gift in the Holmes rematch. I'd also rank Weinert and Heeney well ahead of an alcoholic, inactive Cooney and Tangstad.

Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights. In any case, I think Larry was greater than Dempsey. Agreed that Weinert & Heeney were better than the other two. Spinks wasn't on my list.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 17 Mar 2013, 17:00

Wrong yet again. Tunney got knocked down, waited for the count and got up before it reached 10. He went on to win.

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 17 Mar 2013, 17:37

foxy01 wrote:No point. Yanks will vote for Yanks. It's ok everyone else understands, but it isn't to be taken seriously.

Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson, and
Holmes

All above Lewis? yeah right.

The whole nationalistic pride thing and exaggerating a fighter's ability seems to be much worse in the UK than it is in the US. That being said, I would put Lewis over every fighter you mentioned except Holmes. Foreman would be right behind him.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 17 Mar 2013, 18:12

gilgamesh wrote:
foxy01 wrote:No point. Yanks will vote for Yanks. It's ok everyone else understands, but it isn't to be taken seriously.

Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson, and
Holmes

All above Lewis? yeah right.
The whole nationalistic pride thing and exaggerating a fighter's ability seems to be much worse in the UK than it is in the US. That being said, I would put Lewis over every fighter you mentioned except Holmes. Foreman would be right behind him.

foxy old boy take a look at my list.i have lewis behind only holmes ali and louis
4th best heavyweight in my eyes

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 18 Mar 2013, 00:46

Ambling Alp II wrote:Wrong yet again. Tunney got knocked down, waited for the count and got up before it reached 10. He went on to win.

Michael Spinks fought his ass off, waited for the judges decision, and had his arms raised. If we're handing out a loss there, certainly we can call Tunney being down for over ten seconds as a loss. I know you wish I was wrong, sorry little fella, it's an opinion. My bad for not rifling down records like you do without any inclination for timing, but go ahead and sit on your high horse. If you ever want to hop off of it I'd be happy to own you.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 18 Mar 2013, 02:58

You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." Now you claim it's your opinion that he was.
That is beyond stupid. It is not a matter of opinion if Tunney was knocked out or not. It is a fact that Tunney was not.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 18 Mar 2013, 03:36

Ambling Alp II wrote:You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." Now you claim it's your opinion that he was.
That is beyond stupid. It is not a matter of opinion if Tunney was knocked out or not. It is a fact that Tunney was not.

It's a fact that Tunney was down for over ten seconds. No need to sob bitch boy. I'm more than willing to teach you.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 18 Mar 2013, 08:26

foxy01 wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:Wrong yet again. Tunney got knocked down, waited for the count and got up before it reached 10. He went on to win.

Thats one nil to you.

Correct, the downed fighter is well entitled to wait for the count.

this i agree with.
he did beat the count....and anyone of us here if in the same position
would of waited for the count to reach 9 to get up

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 18 Mar 2013, 09:08

foxy01 wrote:No point. Yanks will vote for Yanks. It's ok everyone else understands, but it isn't to be taken seriously.

Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson, and
Holmes

All above Lewis? yeah right.

How come Lewis didn't keep his word about giving V. Klitscho a rematch?

Mum didn't think it was such a good idea, eh?

yancey · Post by **yancey** » 18 Mar 2013, 13:30

foxy01 wrote:
yancey wrote:
foxy01 wrote:No point. Yanks will vote for Yanks. It's ok everyone else understands, but it isn't to be taken seriously.

Foreman
Frazier
Holyfield
Johnson, and
Holmes

All above Lewis? yeah right.

How come Lewis didn't keep his word about giving V. Klitscho a rematch?

Mum didn't think it was such a good idea, eh?

Why would a 38 year old lacking motivation with more than a $100 million in the bank bother about rematches? Get real.

Because Mummy said no, I reckon.

Ambling Alp II · Post by **Ambling Alp II** » 18 Mar 2013, 13:48

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." Now you claim it's your opinion that he was.
That is beyond stupid. It is not a matter of opinion if Tunney was knocked out or not. It is a fact that Tunney was not.
It's a fact that Tunney was down for over ten seconds. No need to sob bitch boy. I'm more than willing to teach you.

Bitch boy? Wow, yet another intelligent comment from you.
You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." That is factually wrong.
Apparently you didn't know, that being down for over 10 seconds doesn't automatically mean that a fighter was knocked out. The referee actually has reach the 10 count. Glad to help.

SaadOffTheDeck · Post by **SaadOffTheDeck** » 18 Mar 2013, 14:29

Ambling Alp II wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." Now you claim it's your opinion that he was.
That is beyond stupid. It is not a matter of opinion if Tunney was knocked out or not. It is a fact that Tunney was not.
It's a fact that Tunney was down for over ten seconds. No need to sob bitch boy. I'm more than willing to teach you.
Bitch boy? Wow, yet another intelligent comment from you.
You said "Tunney got knocked out in one of those fights." That is factually wrong.
Apparently you didn't know, that being down for over 10 seconds doesn't automatically mean that a fighter was knocked out. The referee actually has reach the 10 count. Glad to help.

He got knocked out in the same sense that Spinks lost the rematch to Holmes. Apparently you got lost along the way. Now lets see your list. Though it wont offer many surprises.

Ali
Ali
Ali
Ali
Ali
Ali
Ali

Edit: I do apologize for the personal insult. You never do that. I was lit up.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 18 Mar 2013, 19:21

#1- Larry Holmes
#2- Muhammad Ali & Joe Louis
#4- Sam Langford
#5- Rocky Marciano
#6- Jack Dempsey
#7- Jack Johnson
#8- George Foreman
#9- James J. Jeffries
#10- Lennox Lewis
#11- Klitschko Brothers
#13- Evander Holyfield
#14- Mike Tyson
#15- Joe Frazier & Ken Norton
#17- Ezzard Charles & Jersey Joe Walcott
#19- Max Schmeling
#20- Sonny Liston
#21- Max Baer
#22- Floyd Patterson
#23- Harry Wills & George Godfrey
#25- Primo Carnera
#26- Tim Witherspoon
#27- Michael Dokes
#28- Jimmy Young
#29- John L. Sullivan & James J. Corbett

Revamped my list. Thanks to Ambling Alp II who helped me better organise the list.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 18 Mar 2013, 19:41

I changes so much, but on a mixture of acomplishments and talent, I'd go for.....

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Johnson
4. Dempsey
5. Marciano
6. Holmes
7. Tyson
8. Frazier
9. Holyfield
10. Lewis
11. Foreman
12. Jeffries
13. Langford
14. Vitali Klitschko
15. Liston
16. Wladimir Klitschko
17. Patterson
18. Wills
19. Langford
20. Walcott
21. Schemling
22. Corbett
23. Tunney
24. Charles
25. Norton
26. Fitzimmons
27. Baer

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