Earnie Shavers Vs George Chuvalo

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Oct 2005, 15:25

Earnie Shavers Vs George Chuvalo. The Acorn Vs T.W.W.

It could have happened in real time in the early or mid 70's but it was not to be. Prime is one discussion, Real time is another. Any opinions?

Argueably the hardest hitter vs argueably the most durable chin.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 15 Oct 2005, 18:33

Chuvalo by knockout

Stander was like an imiation of George.

Chuvalo in his prime would wear Shavers out and knock him out around the 7th . . .

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 15 Oct 2005, 18:46

While I'd be pulling for Shavers.....if I had to bet the farm...I'd go with Chuvalo late TKO -

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 16 Oct 2005, 09:58

I would have to go for a Chuvalo win in about ten rounds.

Chuvalo would withstand Shavers assaults and slowly grind down the Acorn with his underrated bodyshots and stiff jab.

Earnies best chance of victory would be to box more like he did against Henry Clark in their first fight in France.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Oct 2005, 10:33

Is there any doubt that Chuvalo had a granite attic? Reading the record on the Foreman fight I thought many would be drawn to follow the same conclusion for Chuvalo.

Does anyone have the Foreman Chuvalo fight? It's one I would very much like to have. Or can any capsulize how it went? I think it was stopped on cuts but my memory is foggy and I did not see it.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 16 Oct 2005, 10:35

BoxBuzz wrote:Is there any doubt that Chuvalo had a granite attic?

No doubt, but there is still that rumour that Oscar Bonavena dropped him.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 16 Oct 2005, 13:07

BoxBuzz wrote:Is there any doubt that Chuvalo had a granite attic? Reading the record on the Foreman fight I thought many would be drawn to follow the same conclusion for Chuvalo.

Does anyone have the Foreman Chuvalo fight? It's one I would very much like to have. Or can any capsulize how it went? I think it was stopped on cuts but my memory is foggy and I did not see it.

I saw that fight awile back. I don't believe that it was stopped on cuts. If it was then my mind is playing tricks on me again. Seems like Foreman dispatched of him in typical Foreman fasion. He just went out their and swung at whatever he could hit and punched right through any attempted defense.

kovit · Post by **kovit** » 16 Oct 2005, 16:03

You Shavers hater, I go with Earnie Shavers as the only man to knock out over George Chuvalo with a fifth round knockout.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 16 Oct 2005, 22:41

Foreman really beat up Chuvalo in what I think was his career best performance, as he pumped out a real HEAVY left jab throughout the entire fight, getting Chuvalo off his gameplan with beautiful straight shots and occasional hooks.

In the 3rd round Foreman really staggers CHuvalo with a left hook . . .Foreman then starts wailing on him, and Chuvalo retreats to his corner. Chuvalo remains upright but makes the mistake of not firing back. CHuvalo's manager climbed into the ring to stop it and the ref stopped the fight for a TKO win for Foreman. It was the only time in Chuvalo's career I can recall he was so seriously staggered . .

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 17 Oct 2005, 16:38

Taking unanswered shots from Foreman should have sent him out of the ring. I think your revived my neurons on this.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 17 Oct 2005, 16:41

Its not rumor that Bonavena dropped Chuvalo. He did it twice. I have the fight. The problem is that Mercante blew the call and so it didnt go on his official record as a KD but he was definately dropped by Bonavena.

Id Pick Chuvalo over Shavers. He generally ran out of ideas against guys he couldnt buzz real good.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 18 Oct 2005, 12:13

klompton wrote:Its not rumor that Bonavena dropped Chuvalo. He did it twice. I have the fight. The problem is that Mercante blew the call and so it didnt go on his official record as a KD but he was definately dropped by Bonavena.

Anymore info? Was Chuvalo hurt?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 18 Oct 2005, 13:47

Klompton-I disagree.

George slipped and was off balance. He did not go down directly from oscar's shots.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Oct 2005, 14:30

dempseyfire, through my many conversations on this subject its about a 60/40 take on this with yours being the majority viewpoint.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 18 Oct 2005, 15:43

One of the knockdowns was questionable, Ill give you that (although I still think it was a KD) The other was definately not a slip, he was punched and went down. Period. Even if he was off balance the rule in boxing is that if you go down on the end of a punch, slip, off balance, or what have you its counted as a KD. Mercante blew the call.

In reference to the question of whether he was hurt: Not as bad as when he was hit by Frazier and Foreman and DIDNT go down, but he was knocked down from a punch. I doubt it felt good. He lost the fight (which I thought was a good win for Bonavena) but believe it or not the magazines called it a robbery. I dont know why because Bonavena simply outbrawled him.

Bradley001 · Post by **Bradley001** » 18 Oct 2005, 16:35

I DONT TALK ABOUT BOXERS WHO ARE CRAP

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 18 Oct 2005, 17:19

Well then we will look forward to fewer of your contributions as we stick to discussing the "crap" boxers.

Tycoon2002 · Post by **Tycoon2002** » 18 Oct 2005, 17:29

Shavers by points decision. Shavers could be a good boxer if he wanted to be.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 19 Oct 2005, 11:12

I would say Shavers, but something tells me that George has a helluva chance to win too, based on Earnie's track record.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 19 Oct 2005, 13:20

Bradley001 wrote:I DONT TALK ABOUT BOXERS WHO ARE CRAP

bill.lockhart · Post by **bill.lockhart** » 04 Nov 2005, 11:18

Shavers was terribly low on stamina. He would be fighting a guy who
would ensure stamina became the big factor. Earnie was the better puncher, but he wasn't going to stop George. This one could get ugly,
but George wins. He had the character, will & endurance to outlast the
Acorn. Chuvalo beat Williams when both were at the end of their careers.
A telltale sign of what might have happened.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 05 Nov 2005, 11:22

Chuvalo gave whatever he had left against Foreman. He landed one wicked shot that Foreman later admitted had rocked him. If he had been in his prime, Chuvalo might have been able to take him out at that moment, but he couldn't get his body to respond quick enough. In the last round Chuvalo was taking bombs from Foreman, hoping he could weather the storm and outlast Foreman, but the ref didn't see it that way and stopped it.

As for Chuvalo-Bonavena, it was close and I thought George did enough to win.

Against Ernie Shavers, Chuvalo does as well as Ron Stander or Quarry.

Cap

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 07 Nov 2005, 13:34

I think this fight could closely resemble Tex Cobb stopping Earnie Shavers. While Chuvalo was a better fighter than Cobb in many departments, he shared his iron chin and straight forward style. I think Shavers pounds on Chuvalo's head until he doesn't have anything left, then Chuvalo puts him out.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 07 Nov 2005, 13:44

Cap wrote: In the last round Chuvalo was taking bombs from Foreman, hoping he could weather the storm and outlast Foreman, but the ref didn't see it that way and stopped it.

And the first thing Chuvalo said when the ref stopped the fight was....

"Are you nuts?"

Man that Chuvalo was something else, the toughest of the tough.

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 08 Nov 2005, 05:23

It appears that Williams was far past his prime by the time he fought Chuvalo. I don't think this fight necessarily would have any bearing whatsoever on how a prime Chuvalo vs prime Williams fight would turn out.

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