Build your perfect heavyweight

Controversial · Post by **Controversial** » 14 Oct 2005, 22:34

If you could take ONE attribute from any heavyweight, past or present, to create your perfect heavyweight what would you choose?

Hand speed - Floyd Paterson
Jab - Larry Holmes
Punch power - George Foreman
Left hook - Mike Tyson
Chin - George Chuvalo
Stamina - Rocky Marciano
Physique - Mike Weaver

Anyone got any others?

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 14 Oct 2005, 22:36

Yes. Make them lose 60 or 70 pounds from today's HW's and there you have probably the optimal blend of speed, power, endurance and skill

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 14 Oct 2005, 22:53

the perfect heavyweight is John Ruiz

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kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 14 Oct 2005, 23:57

Mike Tyson-right uppercut
Joe Frazier-left hook
Mohamad Ali-speed,defence,chin,footwork,abilty to hit with combinations

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Oct 2005, 23:58

punching power- joe louis- he had much more snap on his punches than foreman did, foreman had brute drive u over power but foreman never knocked guys out or paraysed guys with one punch like louis did cause he didnt have the snap.

stamina- rocky marciano
left hook- Joe Frazier
jab- larry holmes
physique- ken norton
staredown- sonny liston
defense- jack johnson
footwork- jersey joe walcott
footspeed- muhammad ali
handspeed- floyd patterson
heart- evander holyfield
body punching- mike tyson
aggresion- jack dempsey
strength- george foreman
right hand- louis, marciano, baer, or shavers
uppercut- tyson
accuracy- joe louis
ring smarts- muhammad ali
chin- muhammad ali

wlvrne · Post by **wlvrne** » 15 Oct 2005, 12:57

Brockton and Controversial, you guys paint a fighter trainers and fans can only dream about.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 15 Oct 2005, 13:57

muhammad's chin wasnt that great... it was even broken by norton...but i guess its your heavyweight not mine

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 15 Oct 2005, 14:06

punchpower- joe louis
stamina- rocky marciano
left hand- jack dempsey
right hand- joe louis
uppercut- mike tyson
jab- sonny liston
physique- max baer
staredown- sonny liston
defense- tommy loughran
footwork- muhammad ali
footspeed- muhammad ali
hand speed- floyd patterson
heart- james j braddock
body punches- mike tyson
aggression- mike tyson/jack dempsey
strength- big george
ring smarts- muhammad ali
chin- larry holmes
accuracy- muhammad ali

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 15 Oct 2005, 14:42

I used one attribute per fighter, but still came out pretty good.

Punch power - Joe Louis
stamina - Rocky Marciano
left hand- Jack Dempsey
right hand - Max Baer
uppercut - Lennox Lewis
jab - Sonny Liston
physique - Ken Norton
staredown - George Foreman
defense- Jack Johnson
footwork - Jersey Joe Walcott
footspeed - Muhammad Ali
hand speed - Floyd Patterson
heart - Jim Braddock
punch resistance - Jim Jeffries
accuracy - Gene Tunney
aggression - Mike Tyson
strength - John L Sullivan
ring smarts - Larry Holmes
chin - Tommy Burns

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Oct 2005, 14:52

Uhh....Rory......Chin of Ali not great? I think he finished that fight with Norton if I recall. We are not actually talking about the structure of the chin. Bone density and all. We are taking about taking a lickin and the ability to keep on tickin. The fact that he had his jaw broke and continued to make the fight competitive speaks volumes about this guys "chin".

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 15 Oct 2005, 14:52

Give me a guy that starts boxing at 8 or 9 and loves it, turns pro at 18 or so, at 168 maybe, so he can grow up to be @ 6'2"(a hair under is fine a bit over is not.) and weigh about 212 or 215, and he should be smart- in a thoughtful sort of way. By 24 or 25 he'll have grown into the weight but be a boxer that can move and can punch, and has the skills of a mw because he was one for years. Ah hell it was going to be Tunney

sharkeysboy · Post by **sharkeysboy** » 15 Oct 2005, 16:07

BEST-

Chin - Marciano
Left hook - Frazier
Hand Speed - Ali
Foot Speed - Ali
Defense - Tunney
Upper cut - Tyson
Right cross - Marciano
Jab - Sonny Liston (they say it had knock down power)
Endurance - Ali
Heart - Ali
Brains - Ali
Ability to fight dirty - Dempsey
Ability to finish off an opponent - Joe Louis
Emotional Stability - Holyfield

WORST

Chin - Patterson
Punching Power - Jimmy Young
Defense - Tex Cobb
Conditioning - John L. Sullivan
Foot speed - George Forman circa 1992
Hand Speed - Jerry Cooney
Heart - Buster Douglas (v. Holyfield)
Brains - Leon Spinks
Emotions Stability - Tyson

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Oct 2005, 20:45

Let's Break this down a bit further.

Who's left hook?: Joe Frazier
Who's right cross?: TBA or... Ingemar?
Who's Uppercut?: TBA
Who's Jab?: Joe Louis
Who's Body Attack?: TBA
Who's eyesight?: Ali
Who's combinations?: TBA
Who's Footwork?: Ali
Who's handspeed?: Patterson
Who's ability to feint?: TBA
Who's Power?(Both Hands): Foreman
Best Trainer?: TBA
Best Hair?: Leon Spinks
Best Hairpiece?: Rocky Marciano
Best looking wife or G/F?: TBA
Best Intimidating look?: Liston
Best Financial Portfolio?: DLH
Best Taste in Clothes: Lennox Lewis
Best Singing Voice: TBA
Best Acting Ability: Jersey Joe Walcott
Best Refereeing ability: Not Jersey Joe Walcott
Best Instrumentalist: TBA
Best comercial Pitchman: Marvin Hagler (deodorant commercials)
upsetting George Foreman expected favorite in this catagory.
Best Dancing ability?: Evander Holyfield
Best Damn Sports show period?:........sorry, got carried away.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 15 Oct 2005, 21:42

I thought the best Hagler commercial was the one where he endorses Pizza Hut, where while he is savoring his pizza he contemplates out loud, "I wonder what the other guy is having"? Answer, "probably soup". That commercial was made right after his knockout of Hearns.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 15 Oct 2005, 22:32

Hey kick....any relation to Ed?

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 16 Oct 2005, 02:38

BoxBuzz wrote:Uhh....Rory......Chin of Ali not great? I think he finished that fight with Norton if I recall. We are not actually talking about the structure of the chin. Bone density and all. We are taking about taking a lickin and the ability to keep on tickin. The fact that he had his jaw broke and continued to make the fight competitive speaks volumes about this guys "chin".

i agree that it was courageous of ali to finish the fight, but doesnt that speek volumes of his heart more then his chin? his chin wasnt keepin him in that fight, his heart was.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 16 Oct 2005, 06:20

Punch power Foreman
right hook Tyson
left hook Louis
Uppercuts Tyson
Jab Liston
straight right Louis
Overhand right Lewis
Footwork/footspeed Ali (60's)
Handspeed Ali
Reflexes Ali
Defence Charles
Physical strength (pushing etc) Lewis
Chin McCall
Stamina Frazier
height/reach Liston

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 16 Oct 2005, 08:44

BoxBuzz wrote:Hey kick....any relation to Ed?

I know for sure that I am not related to him, but I'll have to check and see if he is related to me.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 16 Oct 2005, 14:36

A combination of Ali, Louis and Lewis, Tyson, Liston and Rocky and you have the best heavyweight ever.

Rory McCloskey · Post by **Rory McCloskey** » 16 Oct 2005, 21:21

what would lewis contribute better then the others on this list?

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 16 Oct 2005, 22:15

Rory McCloskey wrote:what would lewis contribute better then the others on this list?

I would add his height. The guy was born to be a big heavyweight and at that, he wasn't all that bad on his feet, though don't get me wrong, Lewis didn't flow like a butterfly but did sting like a bee -when he felt he was in danger.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 17 Oct 2005, 07:47

Punch power - George Foreman
stamina - Rocky Marciano
left hand- Joe Frazier
right hand - Max Baer
uppercut - Lennox Lewis
jab - Larry Holmes
physique - Ken Norton
staredown - Joe Louis
defense- Jack Johnson
footwork - Jersey Joe Walcott
footspeed - Muhammad Ali
hand speed - Floyd Patterson
heart - Evander Holyfield
punch resistance - Larry Holmes
accuracy - Joe Louis
aggression - Mike Tyson
strength - Evander Holyfield
ring smarts - Larry Holmes
chin - Larry Holmes

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 17 Oct 2005, 08:42

sharkeysboy wrote:WORST...Conditioning - John L. Sullivan

I'm sorry, but this is one of the stupidest postings I have ever read. What exactly do you base this statement on? Perhaps the many photos of an overweight John L taken AFTER his career was over? Or maybe his last official competitive fight against Corbett -- when he lasted 21 rounds?

barry · Post by **barry** » 17 Oct 2005, 09:36

Hand speed--Mike Tyson
Jab--Sonny Liston
Punch power--Earnie Shavers
Straight Right—Max Baer
Left hook--Joe Frazier
Uppercut--Mike Tyson
Foot Work – Muhammad Ali
Chin – Oliver McCall
Stamina - Rocky Marciano
Physique – Lennox Lewis
Stare Down—Sonny Liston
In Fighting—Jack Dempsey
Defense—Chris Byrd
Heart—Rocky Marciano
Height/Reach—Lennox Lewis
Body Punching—Bob Fitzsimmons
Aggression—Jack Dempsey
Strength—George Foreman
Killer Instinct—Jack Dempsey
Accuracy--Joe Louis
Ring Smarts—Jersey Joe Walcott, or Jack Johnson

Friedie · Post by **Friedie** » 17 Oct 2005, 10:01

ring-intelligence: Max Schmeling.