Tiger is a Muslim. Medical marijuana is legal in California. Tiger Smalls won nearly every amateur boxing tournament he competed in as a junior and amateur boxer, including the All Navy & Inter-Service championships. He served his country proudly and was one of the best competing in the Armed Forces boxing during his military career (including the Olympic Trials). He did well as a professional, even winning a WBO world title. He has no history of arrests, etc. He is a good man, great friend, and a responsible father of eight. He has nothing to overcome. He is a winner in life. Evidence of a good father can be found in his children. I have spoke with Tiger's son Prince on several occasions. What a gentleman he is, and I'm sorry that I cannot attend his pro debut in TJ with Roger this friday. -Rick Farrisdagosd2000 wrote:We'll see what happens. I noticed an Islamic tattoo on Tiger Smalls. He may have taken over a new leaf as far as drugs and alcohol(if that was an issue).The son seems very straight and polite.REDEMPTION!!!bennie wrote:Tiger Smalls was linked to a fight with Scott Harrison over here a few years ago, so I started looking the guy up. Turns out Smalls featured in a magazine called "High Times". According to the feature, Smalls smoked marijuana several times a day and was pictured proudly holding a blunt (a cigarette where the tobacco is replaced by marijuana). He was quoted as saying that sparring while high is "like playing a video game."dagosd2000 wrote:
CORRECTION
Prince Smalls will be fighting in Tijuana March 29th not March 22nd. Saw him spar today. He looks very sharp. Doesn't seem like a kid making his pro debut. Got to credit his dad,Tiger Smalls,for preparing him in the amatuers and getting him ready in the gym.
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I wasn't having a pop at Tiger Smalls; I just thought it was an interesting twist to an interesting career. It is a shame he never got the crack at Harrison for the WBO featherweight title because somebody called Samuel Kebede got the crack instead and was blown away in a matter of seconds.
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Can't figure out why Mando Ramos isn't in the boxing HOF in Cananstota, when you have the likes of Barry McGuigan?, crazy!CNorkusJr wrote:No doubt Brian. My father told me during his salesman job that restaurants in New York area exist on average less than five years, and the majority of new bars even have less of a time span. You can tell a place is on its way out by the liqour salesmen: If the salesman have to place an order C.O.D. when the truck arrives, its living day to day.Expug wrote:yeah, it sounds so good to be able to have a nice joint after successful ring career. A popular watering hole where fight fans can gather and pat you on the back,tell you they've seen you fight so and so,tell stories etc. But, I guess the reality is,bars are a pain in the dupa to run. Too many hassles,too many knuckleheads,too many hours among other headaches. Its the type of thing that sounds great but reality is a different animal....
I remember when the country kind of went on a health kick (in the sense), wine coolers became popular with the kids & adults instead of beer, booze was fading quick as the men from the 40's and 50's drinkers were slowing up,and then when age limit went from 18 to 21, it really kick the booze business in the pants.
Bars needed to get a theme to them to help drive their attendance, so "Sports bars with big BIG TVs drew crowds and still do", or food had to be offered, the old mainstays from the past usually fades out with those headaches listed above by you. Some old places in Manhattan still draw like "McSorleys Ale House" and "Chaunceys-(a one time speak easy)" still get the old crowd as well as tourist. Of course if everyday was St Patricks Day, there would be millionaire bar owners around.
By the way, many bars in New York are now owned by a organization or conglomerate of people who will own 10-15 places, so if one fails, they close up and open another and never feel the pinch of private bar ownership.
Just to change the subject a little, got an email from the Boxing HOF in Cananstota, NY. THey send out emails from time to time and you can get on their email list by going to their website. Gaspar Ortega has been confirmed that he will be in attendance on Induction Day in June. They want to get as many welterweight Champs their as possible for this years events. Hagler coming in from France will be there too.
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Cholo wrote:Can't figure out why Mando Ramos isn't in the boxing HOF in Cananstota, when you have the likes of Barry McGuigan?, crazy!CNorkusJr wrote:No doubt Brian. My father told me during his salesman job that restaurants in New York area exist on average less than five years, and the majority of new bars even have less of a time span. You can tell a place is on its way out by the liqour salesmen: If the salesman have to place an order C.O.D. when the truck arrives, its living day to day.Expug wrote:yeah, it sounds so good to be able to have a nice joint after successful ring career. A popular watering hole where fight fans can gather and pat you on the back,tell you they've seen you fight so and so,tell stories etc. But, I guess the reality is,bars are a pain in the dupa to run. Too many hassles,too many knuckleheads,too many hours among other headaches. Its the type of thing that sounds great but reality is a different animal....
I remember when the country kind of went on a health kick (in the sense), wine coolers became popular with the kids & adults instead of beer, booze was fading quick as the men from the 40's and 50's drinkers were slowing up,and then when age limit went from 18 to 21, it really kick the booze business in the pants.
Bars needed to get a theme to them to help drive their attendance, so "Sports bars with big BIG TVs drew crowds and still do", or food had to be offered, the old mainstays from the past usually fades out with those headaches listed above by you. Some old places in Manhattan still draw like "McSorleys Ale House" and "Chaunceys-(a one time speak easy)" still get the old crowd as well as tourist. Of course if everyday was St Patricks Day, there would be millionaire bar owners around.
By the way, many bars in New York are now owned by a organization or conglomerate of people who will own 10-15 places, so if one fails, they close up and open another and never feel the pinch of private bar ownership.
Just to change the subject a little, got an email from the Boxing HOF in Cananstota, NY. THey send out emails from time to time and you can get on their email list by going to their website. Gaspar Ortega has been confirmed that he will be in attendance on Induction Day in June. They want to get as many welterweight Champs their as possible for this years events. Hagler coming in from France will be there too.
I agree, Paul.
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CNorkusJr wrote:Thats quite a job Roger, not an easy task to do.Great work !!dagosd2000 wrote:
Self Portrait Of The Artist
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El Boxeo will debut soon. A definitive look at Latinos in boxing. Filmmaker Alan Swyer and I will preview the movie for those who participated and the Southern Cal boxing community. Just about everybody involved with boxing was interviewed. Only two were removed from the final cut. It will be 1 hour/45 min. in length. Filmed around the world. -Rick Farris
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The Fish Cleaner
My wife worked cleaning fish for Anthony's Fish Grottos for 30 years.She worked in the fish market.Her title was "shrimp peeler" that was a step below a "fish cleaner". "Fish Cleaners"got more money,but the bosses were in short supply of "fish cleaners"so they made the "shrimp peelers"clean fish.It was a violation of the union rules to do that,but none of the "peelers" said anything. There were all Mexican women like my wife,but never put up a beef.Everyone who worked in the fish market was Mexican except for one black guy and an Italian.The Italian went way back with the company when it opened in the 40's. His name was Freddy.
Freddy was a "fish cleaner"and had senority. He could have been the foreman,but he was content with the job he was doing. Besides he was nearing retirement. He pole fished tuna during the War.Everbody in the business knew him and he was well liked. A gruff hearty Sicilan he always had something to say. One afternoon I walked into the kitchen to wait for my wife in the lunchroom. I saw Freddy gutting a rock cod at his table. Everyone was in hip boots and wearing heavy clothing. Water was constantly running from faucets and everything was wet. If you're going to clean fish you need plenty of flowing water. While Freddy was standing in water cleaning the rock cod,I asked him how were things.
"Well they traded my son to the Giants,"he said.
"When did this happen?"
"Yesterday.He left for Arizona last night for spring training."
He sounded a bit down.
"Well",I said trying to lift his spirits,"He's on a contender."
I remember his son at the Catholic School. He was the hardest throwing pitcher in the Southland. Freddy threw the guts on the wet floor.
"He should have never got married. When he got married everything started to go against him."
"He's got good stuff.The Giants will need him in the bull pen."
"He started as a starter.Now he's pitching relief."
When his son was brought up to the parent club by the Padres he began as one of the starting pithcers. He threw heat in those days ,but didn't have another pitch. Besides he couldn't always control his fast ball. Before the Padres traded him,he was in the bull pen.
"He's still got his arm. Maybe things will workout and he'll be back in the rotation,"I said.
"No,"said Freddy,"When I talk to him ,I know he's lost his focus. He should have never got married. I blame her."
Freddy had his mind made up. I didn't feel like continuing.
"Well I'm going back to the lunchroom to wait for Maria,"I said.
Freddy grabbed another rock cod from the pile of fish on the table.
"Don't take it so hard Freddy.Just think, not many ball players make it to the big leagues."
Freddy didn't say anything as he slammed the dead fish on the table.
My wife worked cleaning fish for Anthony's Fish Grottos for 30 years.She worked in the fish market.Her title was "shrimp peeler" that was a step below a "fish cleaner". "Fish Cleaners"got more money,but the bosses were in short supply of "fish cleaners"so they made the "shrimp peelers"clean fish.It was a violation of the union rules to do that,but none of the "peelers" said anything. There were all Mexican women like my wife,but never put up a beef.Everyone who worked in the fish market was Mexican except for one black guy and an Italian.The Italian went way back with the company when it opened in the 40's. His name was Freddy.
Freddy was a "fish cleaner"and had senority. He could have been the foreman,but he was content with the job he was doing. Besides he was nearing retirement. He pole fished tuna during the War.Everbody in the business knew him and he was well liked. A gruff hearty Sicilan he always had something to say. One afternoon I walked into the kitchen to wait for my wife in the lunchroom. I saw Freddy gutting a rock cod at his table. Everyone was in hip boots and wearing heavy clothing. Water was constantly running from faucets and everything was wet. If you're going to clean fish you need plenty of flowing water. While Freddy was standing in water cleaning the rock cod,I asked him how were things.
"Well they traded my son to the Giants,"he said.
"When did this happen?"
"Yesterday.He left for Arizona last night for spring training."
He sounded a bit down.
"Well",I said trying to lift his spirits,"He's on a contender."
I remember his son at the Catholic School. He was the hardest throwing pitcher in the Southland. Freddy threw the guts on the wet floor.
"He should have never got married. When he got married everything started to go against him."
"He's got good stuff.The Giants will need him in the bull pen."
"He started as a starter.Now he's pitching relief."
When his son was brought up to the parent club by the Padres he began as one of the starting pithcers. He threw heat in those days ,but didn't have another pitch. Besides he couldn't always control his fast ball. Before the Padres traded him,he was in the bull pen.
"He's still got his arm. Maybe things will workout and he'll be back in the rotation,"I said.
"No,"said Freddy,"When I talk to him ,I know he's lost his focus. He should have never got married. I blame her."
Freddy had his mind made up. I didn't feel like continuing.
"Well I'm going back to the lunchroom to wait for Maria,"I said.
Freddy grabbed another rock cod from the pile of fish on the table.
"Don't take it so hard Freddy.Just think, not many ball players make it to the big leagues."
Freddy didn't say anything as he slammed the dead fish on the table.
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Charley Burley
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El Gallo wrote:El Boxeo will debut soon. A definitive look at Latinos in boxing. Filmmaker Alan Swyer and I will preview the movie for those who participated and the Southern Cal boxing community. Just about everybody involved with boxing was interviewed. Only two were removed from the final cut. It will be 1 hour/45 min. in length. Filmed around the world. -Rick Farris
Filmmaker Alan Swyer, "El Boxeo" . . .
Alan Swyer has worked as a writer, director, and/or producer on projects ranging from HBO's award-winning, Rebound, starring Don Cheadle, Forrest Whitaker, and James Earl Jones to The Buddy Holly Story, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and his award-winning documentary, The Spiritual Revolution. He has recently finished two new documentaries: Leimert Park, about a black cultural mecca in Los Angeles and, Beisbol, the definitive look at Latin baseball, with narration by Andy Garcia. His latest film, It's More Expensive To Do Nothing..., is touring the festival circuit, and he is currently shooting, El Boxeo, the definitive look at the role of Latins in boxing. Alan has also directed numerous music videos and commercials, and is an esteemed academician and activist.
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El Gallo wrote:El Boxeo will debut soon. A definitive look at Latinos in boxing. Filmmaker Alan Swyer and I will preview the movie for those who participated and the Southern Cal boxing community. Just about everybody involved with boxing was interviewed. Only two were removed from the final cut. It will be 1 hour/45 min. in length. Filmed around the world. -Rick Farris
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Cholo wrote:El Gallo wrote:El Boxeo will debut soon. A definitive look at Latinos in boxing. Filmmaker Alan Swyer and I will preview the movie for those who participated and the Southern Cal boxing community. Just about everybody involved with boxing was interviewed. Only two were removed from the final cut. It will be 1 hour/45 min. in length. Filmed around the world. -Rick Farris
A new Veteran Boxer's Organization will host a theatrical screening of this great film for those interviewed, as well as boxing fans, in the near future. I am honored to be a part of this unique film, and friends with this brilliant filmmaker. Time to bring veteran boxer associations into the 21st century, and do so with respect to the fighters that have made the sport great.
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Hooray For Hollywood
"The West Coast didn't have major league teams like they had back East.Boxing was very popular with the Hollywood set,"said the old champ.
I was helping Archie clean up at his ABC Boys Club in Southest San Diego.
"A lot of producers used fighters in some of their movies,"he said.
"You were in Huckleberry Finn. I remember seeing that when I was a kid."
"They were thinking of putting me in for an Academy Award nomination."
"How was it like to make a movie?"
"It was great. I met a lot of stars."
"Whatever happened to Eddie Hodges?"
"Well he had trouble making the transition to being an adult actor."
"Didn't he make some records?"
"Yes,but he wasn't Elvis. Sometimes people just want to remember you as you were."
"Well you perservered."
"I started boxing in the 1930's."
"And you were good at the end."I said proudly.
I went to the switch panel on the wall and began turning off the lights.
"I'm fortunate that they still remember me,"said the old champ.
"The West Coast didn't have major league teams like they had back East.Boxing was very popular with the Hollywood set,"said the old champ.
I was helping Archie clean up at his ABC Boys Club in Southest San Diego.
"A lot of producers used fighters in some of their movies,"he said.
"You were in Huckleberry Finn. I remember seeing that when I was a kid."
"They were thinking of putting me in for an Academy Award nomination."
"How was it like to make a movie?"
"It was great. I met a lot of stars."
"Whatever happened to Eddie Hodges?"
"Well he had trouble making the transition to being an adult actor."
"Didn't he make some records?"
"Yes,but he wasn't Elvis. Sometimes people just want to remember you as you were."
"Well you perservered."
"I started boxing in the 1930's."
"And you were good at the end."I said proudly.
I went to the switch panel on the wall and began turning off the lights.
"I'm fortunate that they still remember me,"said the old champ.
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George Raft-fight fan and friend of fighters.
Rick
Have any backround info on George Raft?Didn't he have pieces of fighters?
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Im going to go ahead and say thank you for doing this Rick. This is huge for boxing the world over.El Gallo wrote:Cholo wrote:El Gallo wrote:El Boxeo will debut soon. A definitive look at Latinos in boxing. Filmmaker Alan Swyer and I will preview the movie for those who participated and the Southern Cal boxing community. Just about everybody involved with boxing was interviewed. Only two were removed from the final cut. It will be 1 hour/45 min. in length. Filmed around the world. -Rick Farris
A new Veteran Boxer's Organization will host a theatrical screening of this great film for those interviewed, as well as boxing fans, in the near future. I am honored to be a part of this unique film, and friends with this brilliant filmmaker. Time to bring veteran boxer associations into the 21st century, and do so with respect to the fighters that have made the sport great.
I know you, and I think you are being modest here. Im certain you are a huge part of this. Thanks again and Im looking forward to this project with great anticipation.
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dagosd2000 wrote:A New Face
"I don't even remember half of it,"said Burke stirring his coffee.
"By looking at the press clippings on the wall,it seems like you were living the high life,"I said.
Burke was sitting at the end of the bar checking last night's receipts. The scar tissue over his eyes was purplish. Hard to say how many times his nose had been broken.
"The high life. Yes,that's what it was. I'd spend it on booze and broads and blow the rest."
"Well at least you wound up with your own place,"I said.
"You remembered I tended bar here.When O'Riley wanted to sell it I went in on it with Shirley."
"You did OK."
"Did is more like it. The younger crowd goes to the bars at the beach. They don't want to drink with guys who were in Nam."
"That's funny. To think that the 60's were that long ago."
"Last night's receipts can show you that."
As usual during the day,there wasn't much action. On the weekends at night it would fill up,but it was not enough to make much profit.
"Some of my customers have passed away,"said Burke.
"Maybe you need to change the decor in here."
"I'm too tired to do that. I don't drink anymore. I come in to play darts and fool around with the poker machine."
"How's the Bay Hill Tavern doing next door? They 've been open now for a month."
"Not doing my place any wonders. The younger set goes there. The barmaids have big boobs and are young. Couldn't get that kind of help in here."
"I'm telling you,you need to put a new face on this place."
"I wouldn't like it.I wouldn't go next door on a bet. Not my style."
Burke put the receipts in a box.
"I don't even have a system to keep tabs on this joint. Next door they have a gadget that automatically measures the drinks and displays the price on the computer.'
"That's beyond me."
"Think how far that's beyond me? I don't even own a computer."
"Yeah,a new face would not be the same."
Burke laughed and turned to me pointing his finger at his face.
"See this mug. I've had it over 70 years. I wouldn't change it for nothing."
Burke Emery and me.
If I lived there,thats where I would go.Thats my kinda place right there.Those two are my kind of people too.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Hooray For Hollywood
"The West Coast didn't have major league teams like they had back East.Boxing was very popular with the Hollywood set,"said the old champ.
I was helping Archie clean up at his ABC Boys Club in Southest San Diego.
"A lot of producers used fighters in some of their movies,"he said.
"You were in Huckleberry Finn. I remember seeing that when I was a kid."
"They were thinking of putting me in for an Academy Award nomination."
"How was it like to make a movie?"
"It was great. I met a lot of stars."
"Whatever happened to Eddie Hodges?"
"Well he had trouble making the transition to being an adult actor."
"Didn't he make some records?"
"Yes,but he wasn't Elvis. Sometimes people just want to remember you as you were."
"Well you perservered."
"I started boxing in the 1930's."
"And you were good at the end."I said proudly.
I went to the switch panel on the wall and began turning off the lights.
"I'm fortunate that they still remember me,"said the old champ.
Hollywood & Professional Boxing have been holding hands for about a century. I have worked in both worlds.Once again, a great combo of fighters & filmmakers will team to create something memorable, and I'm talking about a historical event.
As for the film, dozens of legends are interviewed (two were eliminated
) and this is a HBO Docu feature. At the moment, the veteran boxers events in L.A. are stale, as are the ideas of those in charge. Same people presenting awards to the same people.
It's time to fix that, and I'm committed, so as the old & bitter step into their graves, I'll organize their confusion. -Rick Farris
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Rog, I got a few interesting notes on George Raft, one I heard from Suey Welch.dagosd2000 wrote:
George Raft-fight fan and friend of fighters.
Rick
Have any backround info on George Raft?Didn't he have pieces of fighters?
Will share tomorrow, gotta an early call time manana and have to get to sleep.
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Expug wrote:dagosd2000 wrote:A New Face
"I don't even remember half of it,"said Burke stirring his coffee.
"By looking at the press clippings on the wall,it seems like you were living the high life,"I said.
Burke was sitting at the end of the bar checking last night's receipts. The scar tissue over his eyes was purplish. Hard to say how many times his nose had been broken.
"The high life. Yes,that's what it was. I'd spend it on booze and broads and blow the rest."
"Well at least you wound up with your own place,"I said.
"You remembered I tended bar here.When O'Riley wanted to sell it I went in on it with Shirley."
"You did OK."
"Did is more like it. The younger crowd goes to the bars at the beach. They don't want to drink with guys who were in Nam."
"That's funny. To think that the 60's were that long ago."
"Last night's receipts can show you that."
As usual during the day,there wasn't much action. On the weekends at night it would fill up,but it was not enough to make much profit.
"Some of my customers have passed away,"said Burke.
"Maybe you need to change the decor in here."
"I'm too tired to do that. I don't drink anymore. I come in to play darts and fool around with the poker machine."
"How's the Bay Hill Tavern doing next door? They 've been open now for a month."
"Not doing my place any wonders. The younger set goes there. The barmaids have big boobs and are young. Couldn't get that kind of help in here."
"I'm telling you,you need to put a new face on this place."
"I wouldn't like it.I wouldn't go next door on a bet. Not my style."
Burke put the receipts in a box.
"I don't even have a system to keep tabs on this joint. Next door they have a gadget that automatically measures the drinks and displays the price on the computer.'
"That's beyond me."
"Think how far that's beyond me? I don't even own a computer."
"Yeah,a new face would not be the same."
Burke laughed and turned to me pointing his finger at his face.
"See this mug. I've had it over 70 years. I wouldn't change it for nothing."
Burke Emery and me.
If I lived there,thats where I would go.Thats my kinda place right there.Those two are my kind of people too.
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The Fight That Never Was
Tiger Smalls called me up last night to tell me that the fight was off. Tiger's son,Prince,was to make his debut in Tijuana at the auditorium. At the press conference in the morning Prince's opponent was a no show. The promoter,Vargas(of V and B Promotions),said that Victor Serrano,the other fighter, was "running late." Tiger Smalls had been a fighter.He won a feather weight belt and knew the pitfalls of the sport-the deceptions,the screw ups,the greed . Fights have fallen through for the slightest reasons. Tiger didn't feel good about what was happening.
Tiger said he knew the promotor from back in the day when Tiger was a fighter. Vargas was beginning to put on shows then. This was going to be his second show in Tijuana and he offered to have Prince on the card. Tiger shelled out 500 dollars out of his pocket to help promote the event. He also sold 1300 bucks worth of tickets on the U.S. side. Friends being friends, Tiger thought everything was on the right course until the press conference got under way without his son's opponent to weigh in.
Tiger knew of his son's opposition,a Mexican feather weight by the name of Victor Serrano.Tiger's son ,Prince,had been brought along right in the amateurs,worked hard in the gym,and was ready for the fight. But now it looked like it wouldn't happen.
Tiger Smalls could smell something peculiar . If V and B Promotions didn't have Serrano at the press conference,Tiger wasn't going to let his son go through with this. Vargas started to squirm and said that he could find another fighter in Ensenada that he knew of that would be a pushover. That wasn't the original deal. Tiger wasn't going to mess around with doubts,especially with his son's opener south of the border.
So Tiger called it off. He had made 1800 dollars for V and B Promotions and he was facing a mystery opponent for his son's first fight. Boxing is a very brutal sport,but the politics behind it are very delicate.You have to know what the red flags are. A lot of managers and promoters throw fighters into the fire. A father won't do that to his child. At least Tiger Smalls won't.
Prince Smalls is tentively scheduled to begin his pro career in Vista ,May 13th. His opponent,Victor Serrano. Well at least I know that Tiger recognizes the color of a red flag.
Prince Smalls and the man in his corner,his dad,Tiger
Tiger Smalls called me up last night to tell me that the fight was off. Tiger's son,Prince,was to make his debut in Tijuana at the auditorium. At the press conference in the morning Prince's opponent was a no show. The promoter,Vargas(of V and B Promotions),said that Victor Serrano,the other fighter, was "running late." Tiger Smalls had been a fighter.He won a feather weight belt and knew the pitfalls of the sport-the deceptions,the screw ups,the greed . Fights have fallen through for the slightest reasons. Tiger didn't feel good about what was happening.
Tiger said he knew the promotor from back in the day when Tiger was a fighter. Vargas was beginning to put on shows then. This was going to be his second show in Tijuana and he offered to have Prince on the card. Tiger shelled out 500 dollars out of his pocket to help promote the event. He also sold 1300 bucks worth of tickets on the U.S. side. Friends being friends, Tiger thought everything was on the right course until the press conference got under way without his son's opponent to weigh in.
Tiger knew of his son's opposition,a Mexican feather weight by the name of Victor Serrano.Tiger's son ,Prince,had been brought along right in the amateurs,worked hard in the gym,and was ready for the fight. But now it looked like it wouldn't happen.
Tiger Smalls could smell something peculiar . If V and B Promotions didn't have Serrano at the press conference,Tiger wasn't going to let his son go through with this. Vargas started to squirm and said that he could find another fighter in Ensenada that he knew of that would be a pushover. That wasn't the original deal. Tiger wasn't going to mess around with doubts,especially with his son's opener south of the border.
So Tiger called it off. He had made 1800 dollars for V and B Promotions and he was facing a mystery opponent for his son's first fight. Boxing is a very brutal sport,but the politics behind it are very delicate.You have to know what the red flags are. A lot of managers and promoters throw fighters into the fire. A father won't do that to his child. At least Tiger Smalls won't.
Prince Smalls is tentively scheduled to begin his pro career in Vista ,May 13th. His opponent,Victor Serrano. Well at least I know that Tiger recognizes the color of a red flag.
Prince Smalls and the man in his corner,his dad,Tiger
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Cesar Chavez Day
"There's no school Monday,"I said to the class.
"Why?"asked one of the kids.
"We'll be off for Cesar Chavez Day."
It was my last period. I was pretty sure the kids knew that Monday there was no school,but I wanted to make sure.A day off was something they had no trouble learning about,but I wanted to make sure anyway. Most of the kids at the school were either Mexican Nationals or Mexican Americans,"Chicanos." The school was only about a five minute drive to the border. Many of the kids lived there and gave an address of someone one the U.S. side so they could go to school.
"Do any of you know who Cesar Chavez was?",I asked the class.
"Yeah,"one of them spouted,"he's the champion of the world."
"No that's Julio Cesar Chavez. I'm talking about Cesar Chavez the labor leader."
"Never heard of him,"the kid came back with.
"Can anybody tell me who Cesar Chavez was?"I asked again.
"Yeah,he's the best fighter in the world,"answered another.
"No.Cesar Chavez,the labor leader."
Some of the kids turned and looked at each other. Most had blank faces.
"In celebration of his birthday,I'd thought I'd show you a film on Cesar Chavez,the labor leader."
As long as the kids got to watch a movie that was fine with them.I put the cassette into the VCR. It told them of how Cesar Chavez felt that the migrant farm workers were being exploited by the owners .The workers were underpaid,worked and lived in terrible conditions.Most of the workers were Mexican.Chavez was instrumental in improving the lives of migrant farm workers in California. Bobby Kennedy was impressed by the man and what he was accomplishing. Chavez was not a man who raked in union funds and spent them on himself. He was one of them. His family were farm workers. He was like a Mother Teresa. He walked the walk.
The film showed the month long hungar strikes he suffered through to make his statement.One point in the film it showed how farm workers were made to go out to the fields just after they were sprayed with insecticides. People were getting sick. The film ended with his death(probably brought on by too much self starvation)and commerative speaches by people who admired him and the farm workers that he went to bat for.
"Well now you know who Cesar Chavez is,"I said to the class. About half of them had their heads on their desks.
"That was dumb of those guys for walking out into those fields after they were sprayed,"said one of the kids who watched the movie.
"They were ignorant. Cesar Chavez wanted to enlighten them,"I said.
"Well as long as we get a day off is all I care about,"said the kid.
The Farm Worker
"There's no school Monday,"I said to the class.
"Why?"asked one of the kids.
"We'll be off for Cesar Chavez Day."
It was my last period. I was pretty sure the kids knew that Monday there was no school,but I wanted to make sure.A day off was something they had no trouble learning about,but I wanted to make sure anyway. Most of the kids at the school were either Mexican Nationals or Mexican Americans,"Chicanos." The school was only about a five minute drive to the border. Many of the kids lived there and gave an address of someone one the U.S. side so they could go to school.
"Do any of you know who Cesar Chavez was?",I asked the class.
"Yeah,"one of them spouted,"he's the champion of the world."
"No that's Julio Cesar Chavez. I'm talking about Cesar Chavez the labor leader."
"Never heard of him,"the kid came back with.
"Can anybody tell me who Cesar Chavez was?"I asked again.
"Yeah,he's the best fighter in the world,"answered another.
"No.Cesar Chavez,the labor leader."
Some of the kids turned and looked at each other. Most had blank faces.
"In celebration of his birthday,I'd thought I'd show you a film on Cesar Chavez,the labor leader."
As long as the kids got to watch a movie that was fine with them.I put the cassette into the VCR. It told them of how Cesar Chavez felt that the migrant farm workers were being exploited by the owners .The workers were underpaid,worked and lived in terrible conditions.Most of the workers were Mexican.Chavez was instrumental in improving the lives of migrant farm workers in California. Bobby Kennedy was impressed by the man and what he was accomplishing. Chavez was not a man who raked in union funds and spent them on himself. He was one of them. His family were farm workers. He was like a Mother Teresa. He walked the walk.
The film showed the month long hungar strikes he suffered through to make his statement.One point in the film it showed how farm workers were made to go out to the fields just after they were sprayed with insecticides. People were getting sick. The film ended with his death(probably brought on by too much self starvation)and commerative speaches by people who admired him and the farm workers that he went to bat for.
"Well now you know who Cesar Chavez is,"I said to the class. About half of them had their heads on their desks.
"That was dumb of those guys for walking out into those fields after they were sprayed,"said one of the kids who watched the movie.
"They were ignorant. Cesar Chavez wanted to enlighten them,"I said.
"Well as long as we get a day off is all I care about,"said the kid.
The Farm Worker
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dagosd2000
- Heavyweight
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
March Madness
Phil lives in the condo complex a couple of units down from me.I'd say he's in his 30's,works at the 32nd Street Naval Base in the purchasing department,likes to go surfing on the weekends,and is into watching the games on TV. In the five years that I've known Phil he's been married twice. He moved in with his first wife and I remember she was always having her family staying with them. Her sister was out here from Boston. She had quit her job and thought she was going to make a big score in Southern California as a "manager of a fashion store." All I ever saw her do is lounge at the pool and talk about landing a six figure job.Then it was going to Tijuana and landing some big job there. I guess her staying with Phil and his wife led to arguments and the next thing I knew was Phil's wifes sister was on a plane back to Boston with Phil's wife.
Phil said he paid off his wife and that was that. I never saw her again. It wasn't long after that that I saw Phil come to the pool with an attractive blond.Her name was Chris. He told me that a friend had introduced them at a Spring Break party at the beach. Chris moved in with Phil and shortly after they were married. I'd see her at the pool chain smoking,drinking a beer, and talking about all the meds she was taking for depression. Chris said she had a job in "marketing" with her boss that she'd known since high school and that she was making so much money that one day Phil and her could live off just her salary.
One morning I saw Phil hobbling to his car.
"What's wrong? Hurt yourself surfing?"
No. I've got degenerative hip disease. I'm going to have to have both of them replaced."
"That's a bummer,"I said.
"I'm taking so much pain killer right now. I can't sleep."
One Saturday afternoon I saw Chris lounging at the pool.
"How's Phil getting along?"
"He's really screwed up. I saw the X-rays. His hips are rotting away."
"When will he go in for surgery?"
"Next month. They're going to replace both of them. He's really screwed."
The next month just before Phil was to go in for his surgery I asked him how his wife was doing.
"Chris is out of the picture."
"What happened?"
"She got an email from her boss saying the company had laid her off."
"So why is she gone?"
"Said she couldn't deal with it any longer."
Phil went in for the surgery after that. He was hobbling around pretty bad. That was a couple of years ago. Phil still walks with a limp. In the meantime he got himself a rescue dog,a white Lab.He told me the dog had been mistreated and was a little edgy.
The other day I saw Phil with his dog.
"Who do you like in the basketball tourney?"he asked me.
"I like Louisville. Who do you like?"
"Hard to say. All the teams look good."
Over the weekend the "final four " were determined. I saw the scores on the news.I knew Louisville had won their game. Last night I saw Phil walking his dog again.
"Who do you think is going to win the tournament?"I asked him.
"They're all pretty even."
"I still like Louisville."
"Even with Ware out with a broken leg?"
"He's on Louisville?"
"Yes,"said Phil.
I'd never seen Louisville play. I'd never seen any of the teams play.I couldn't name one player on Louisville. I wasn't that interested. I looked at Phil standing there with his dog.
"You know ,"I said,"she's really calmed down. Look at her tail wagging."
Phil lives in the condo complex a couple of units down from me.I'd say he's in his 30's,works at the 32nd Street Naval Base in the purchasing department,likes to go surfing on the weekends,and is into watching the games on TV. In the five years that I've known Phil he's been married twice. He moved in with his first wife and I remember she was always having her family staying with them. Her sister was out here from Boston. She had quit her job and thought she was going to make a big score in Southern California as a "manager of a fashion store." All I ever saw her do is lounge at the pool and talk about landing a six figure job.Then it was going to Tijuana and landing some big job there. I guess her staying with Phil and his wife led to arguments and the next thing I knew was Phil's wifes sister was on a plane back to Boston with Phil's wife.
Phil said he paid off his wife and that was that. I never saw her again. It wasn't long after that that I saw Phil come to the pool with an attractive blond.Her name was Chris. He told me that a friend had introduced them at a Spring Break party at the beach. Chris moved in with Phil and shortly after they were married. I'd see her at the pool chain smoking,drinking a beer, and talking about all the meds she was taking for depression. Chris said she had a job in "marketing" with her boss that she'd known since high school and that she was making so much money that one day Phil and her could live off just her salary.
One morning I saw Phil hobbling to his car.
"What's wrong? Hurt yourself surfing?"
No. I've got degenerative hip disease. I'm going to have to have both of them replaced."
"That's a bummer,"I said.
"I'm taking so much pain killer right now. I can't sleep."
One Saturday afternoon I saw Chris lounging at the pool.
"How's Phil getting along?"
"He's really screwed up. I saw the X-rays. His hips are rotting away."
"When will he go in for surgery?"
"Next month. They're going to replace both of them. He's really screwed."
The next month just before Phil was to go in for his surgery I asked him how his wife was doing.
"Chris is out of the picture."
"What happened?"
"She got an email from her boss saying the company had laid her off."
"So why is she gone?"
"Said she couldn't deal with it any longer."
Phil went in for the surgery after that. He was hobbling around pretty bad. That was a couple of years ago. Phil still walks with a limp. In the meantime he got himself a rescue dog,a white Lab.He told me the dog had been mistreated and was a little edgy.
The other day I saw Phil with his dog.
"Who do you like in the basketball tourney?"he asked me.
"I like Louisville. Who do you like?"
"Hard to say. All the teams look good."
Over the weekend the "final four " were determined. I saw the scores on the news.I knew Louisville had won their game. Last night I saw Phil walking his dog again.
"Who do you think is going to win the tournament?"I asked him.
"They're all pretty even."
"I still like Louisville."
"Even with Ware out with a broken leg?"
"He's on Louisville?"
"Yes,"said Phil.
I'd never seen Louisville play. I'd never seen any of the teams play.I couldn't name one player on Louisville. I wasn't that interested. I looked at Phil standing there with his dog.
"You know ,"I said,"she's really calmed down. Look at her tail wagging."
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dagosd2000
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 01 Sep 2007, 03:31
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Harold Johnson
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
kikibalt wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... ZKR1T9Dy08#!
Ismael Laguna TKO 9 Mando Ramos
Ismael Laguna was a great fighter from a great era. One of Panama's best.
This thread is very familiar with our pal Mando Ramos, but it's nice to see him against one of the best lightweights of the era.
The Panamanians will also be featured in Alan Swyer's "El Boxeo".
Ismael Laguna
birthdate 1943-06-28
division lightweight
stance orthodox
height 5′ 9″ / 175cm
reach 68″ / 173cm
alias El Tigre Colonense
Panama
residence Colon City, Panama
birth place Colon City, Panama
birth name Ismael Laguna Meneses
won 65 (KO 37) + lost 9 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 75
rounds boxed 598
1971-09-13 135 Ken Buchanan 133½ 40-1-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA L UD 15 15
referee: Jimmy Devlin 6-9 | judge: Harold Lederman 5-10 | judge: Tony Castellano 6-8
WBA World lightweight title
1971-06-22 139 Eddie Linder 139 27-6-6
Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, USA L MD 10 10
referee: Cy Gottfried 45-44 | judge: Gus Jacobson 44-46 | judge: Bunny Lovett 46-48
Laguna was knocked down in 3rd round.
1971-04-03 135 Chango Carmona 135¼ 43-8-2
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 98-94 | judge: Carlos Aldana 100-92 | judge: Roberto Navarro 99-94
1971-03-06 137 Lloyd Marshall 133 22-7-0
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Roberto Lopez | judge: Juan Carlos Tapia 100-93
1970-09-26 134½ Ken Buchanan 134 36-1-0
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico L SD 15 15
referee: Waldemar Schmidt 144-143 | judge: Pito Lopez 144-145 | judge: Jose Soto 143-144
WBA World lightweight title
NYSAC World lightweight title
1970-06-06 135 Guts Ishimatsu 135 16-5-4
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W TKO 13 15
time: 2:45 | referee: Juval Horta 120-108 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 119-111 | judge: Juan Carlos Tapia 120-107
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1970-03-03 135 Mando Ramos 134½ 28-3-0
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA W TKO 9 15
referee: Lee Grossman 6-3 | judge: Dick Young 5-4 | judge: John Thomas 5-3
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
Ramos' manager Jackie McCoy asked the referee to stop the bout, due to cuts over both of Ramos' eyes.
1970-01-24 134¾ Jose Luis Vallejo 137½ 18-6-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 3 10
referee: Roberto Lopez
1969-07-14 136 Genaro Soto 135½ 26-9-2
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Tony Perez | judge: Al Berl | judge: Jack Gordon
Scoring: Referee Tony Perez 8-2, Judge Al Berl 8-1-1, Judge Jack Gordon 6-3-1.
1969-07-05 135½ Eugenio Espinoza 137 60-9-4
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Alfonso Rodriguez | judge: Osvaldo Reyes 99-95 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 100-92 | judge: Harry Boyd 100-92
1969-05-24 135 Eugenio Espinoza 138 58-9-4
Quito, Ecuador L UD 10 10
judge: Juan Carlos Tapia
1969-03-31 Maurice Tavant 46-13-4
Palais des Sports, Lyon, Rhône, France W PTS 10 10
1969-03-01 136 Curley Aguirre 134½ 26-20-1
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W TKO 4 10
time: 2:24 | referee: Isaac Herrera
1968-11-15 136 Roman Blanco 136 22-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W MD 10 10
referee: Jimmy Devlin 7-3 | judge: Johnny Dran 7-3 | judge: Tony Rossi 5-5
1968-10-22 137½ Grady Ponder 134 29-9-0
Miami Beach, Florida, USA W UD 10 10
1968-10-07 136 Gabe LaMarca 16-6-4
Catholic Youth Center, Scranton, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 8 10
This bout did not occur on 10/05 in Portland, Maine as a 7th round KO as previously displayed here.
1968-08-20 136 Lloyd Marshall 131½ 19-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W TKO 9 10
time: 2:49 | referee: Johnny LoBianco
A cut over Marshall's left eye forced the stoppage.
1968-07-17 136 Victor Melendez 136 16-0-4
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Harold Valan 7-3 | judge: Tony Castellano 9-1 | judge: Tony Rossi 9-1
1968-04-29 136 Frankie Narvaez 136¼ 34-6-1
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico W UD 10 10
1968-04-15 135 Bud Anderson 138 16-9-3
Arena, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 10 10
1968-02-26 136 Ray Adigun 135¼ 33-6-0
Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10
1967-10-28 133¼ Paul Armstead 135 50-16-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W PTS 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 98-94 | judge: Harry Boyd 98-94 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 98-94
1967-08-16 135 Carlos Ortiz 135 50-5-1
Shea Stadium, Queens, New York, USA L UD 15 15
referee: Arthur Mercante 4-10 | judge: Al Berl 4-10 | judge: Jack Gordon 3-11
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1967-06-03 136 Alfredo Urbina 135¼ 48-16-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W PTS 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 99-95 | judge: Harry Boyd 98-94 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 99-95
1967-04-01 135½ Vicente Rivas 136 33-13-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W KO 5 10
time: 3:03 | referee: Isaac Herrera
Rivas was counted out after the bell.
1967-03-10 134¼ Frankie Narvaez 135½ 30-4-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 12 12
referee: Jimmy Devlin 7-5 | judge: Jack Gordon 8-3 | judge: Artie Aidala 9-1
1966-12-03 135 Daniel Guanin 138¼ 30-4-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W KO 8 10
time: 1:45 | referee: Roberto Lopez
1966-10-02 135½ Percy Hayles 136 25-15-6
Estadio Nacional, Kingston, Jamaica W TKO 6 10
time: 2:05 | referee: Emilio Sanchez
1966-07-28 135 Al Grant 139 19-9-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Dick Young
1966-03-19 134 Flash Elorde 135 78-19-2
Araneta Coliseum, Barangay Cubao, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines L UD 10 10
referee: Teodorico Reyes | judge: Arturo Cayetano 45-48 | judge: Alfredo Quiazon 44-46 | judge: Jaime Valencia 44-45
Laguna was knocked down once in the 4th and 9th rounds.
1966-02-19 133½ Carlos Hernandez 134¼ 39-4-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W TKO 8 10
time: 0:30 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay | judge: Harmodio Cedeno | judge: Ramon Moynes
1965-11-13 133 Carlos Ortiz 134½ 45-5-0
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico L UD 15 15
referee: Rocky Marciano 143-148 | judge: Jose Soto 138-150 | judge: Harry Boyd 143-145
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1965-07-17 136¾ Nicolino Locche 134 57-2-11
Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina D PTS 10 10
1965-06-19 136 Raul Soriano 136¾ 24-8-1
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 8 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1965-04-10 132 Carlos Ortiz 134¾ 45-4-0
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W MD 15 15
referee: Jersey Joe Walcott 143-132 | judge: Ben Green 145-145 | judge: Ramon Moynes 149-137
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1964-12-20 132½ Sebastiao Nascimento 130½ 26-5-7
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay 99-92 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 98-93 | judge: Harry Boyd 99-92
1964-10-24 134½ Percy Hayles 133 22-10-6
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W TKO 7 10
time: 1:10 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay | judge: Harmodio Cedeno | judge: Harry Boyd
1964-08-02 132½ Vicente Milan Derado 132¾ 49-17-14
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Roberto Lopez 100-93 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 99-94 | judge: Ramon Moynes 99-89
1964-07-06 130 Kid Anahuac 132 59-31-7
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA W TKO 8 10
time: 1:41 | referee: Lee Grossman
1964-06-01 125 Vicente Saldivar 126 24-1-0
Plaza de Toros, Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1964-03-09 130¾ Angel Robinson Garcia 132 66-22-5
Palais des Sports, Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10
Laguna was knocked down in the 1st for no count, and for a three count in the 5th (UPI)
1964-02-21 128½ Oripes Dos Santos 125½ 10-5-4
Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil W KO 7 10
1964-01-26 Pedro Miranda 58-15-13
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 0:20 | referee: Colon Al Brown
1963-11-18 127½ Rafiu King 127½ 40-7-4
Palais des Sports, Paris, Paris, France W UD 10 10
referee: Paul Castellano
1963-09-15 126¼ Antonio Herrera 126¼ 26-2-4
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 6 10
referee: Isaac Herrera
1963-08-25 126¼ Eduardo Guerrero 125¾ 35-10-3
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
1963-07-21 126 Don Johnson 125½ 28-7-3
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 3 10
Injury
1963-06-07 125½ Antonio Herrera 125¼ 24-2-4
Plaza de Toros Santamaria, Bogota, Colombia L PTS 10 10
referee: Ismael Barboza 94-97
1963-05-20 127¾ Fili Nava 131¾ 66-19-6
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 3 10
time: 2:56 | referee: Isaac Herrera
1963-03-17 125 Auburn Copeland 124½ 59-13-2
Plaza de Toros La Macarena, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Rogelio Pinzon 99-95 | judge: Humberto Figueroa Sr. 99-93 | judge: Jose Graham 98-93
1963-02-22 124¾ Juan Ramirez 125 39-7-4
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera
Laguna knocked down in 8th round
1963-01-20 125 Bobby Gray 126 13-10-4
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 9 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay
Injury
1962-12-16 124 Tony Herrera 122¾ 22-4-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 10
time: 1:58 | referee: Rogelio Pinzon
1962-11-18 121½ Enrique Hitchman 121½ 12-5-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 10
time: 2:20 | referee: Rogelio Pinzon
1962-10-28 123¾ Beresford Francis 125¾ 7-6-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 5 10
time: 1:10 | referee: Colon Al Brown
1962-09-16 122 Pedro (Manhattan Kid) Ortiz 122½ 16-4-2
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 7 10
1962-07-29 122 Jorge Baby Salazar 118¾ 33-12-3
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 6 10
1962-06-24 123 Carlos Celis 126 22-4-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 5 10
1962-06-10 Agustin Carmona 8-2-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 6 10
time: 1:20 | referee: Vivian Stewart
1962-06-03 120 Jorge Uzcategui 120
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 2 10
time: 1:04 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1962-04-15 117 Nelson Estrada 119 24-10-0
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 7 10
Laguna down for first time in career in second
1962-03-02 Castor Castillo 2-0-0
Maracaibo, Venezuela W PTS 10 10
1962-01-14 118¼ Eloy Sanchez 118¼ 28-14-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 0:23 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
Sanchez knocked down in 2nd round
1961-12-01 120 Hector Hicks 121 18-5-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 5 10
time: 2:11 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1961-10-15 118½ Euro Partides 118½ 0-1-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 1:05 | referee: Vivian Stewart
1961-08-27 118½ Enrique Hitchman 119¾ 11-4-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
1961-06-25 116½ Claudio Martinez 117¾ 11-7-2
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 4 10
Martinez knocked down three times in 4th round
1961-06-04 Killer Solomon 27-6-3
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 7 10
1961-05-21 117 Battling Escudero 120¼ 3-3-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 2 6
time: 2:55
1961-04-30 116 Ernesto Campbell 119 10-7-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 6 6
1961-04-16 118 Jose Pacheco 119 2-6-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 3 4
time: 2:00
1961-03-26 117¾ Carlos Real 113 5-4-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W SD 6 6
1961-03-05 120 Javier Valle 118 1-0-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 4 4
1961-01-22 118¾ Eduardo Frutos 118½ 3-5-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W UD 4 4
1960-08-21 117¾ Antonio Morgan 117¾
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 4
Laguna´s pro debut
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
El Gallo wrote:kikibalt wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... ZKR1T9Dy08#!
Ismael Laguna TKO 9 Mando Ramos
Ismael Laguna was a great fighter from a great era. One of Panama's best.
This thread is very familiar with our pal Mando Ramos, but it's nice to see him against one of the best lightweights of the era.
The Panamanians will also be featured in Alan Swyer's "El Boxeo".
Ismael Laguna
birthdate 1943-06-28
division lightweight
stance orthodox
height 5′ 9″ / 175cm
reach 68″ / 173cm
alias El Tigre Colonense
Panama
residence Colon City, Panama
birth place Colon City, Panama
birth name Ismael Laguna Meneses
won 65 (KO 37) + lost 9 (KO 0) + drawn 1 = 75
rounds boxed 598
1971-09-13 135 Ken Buchanan 133½ 40-1-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA L UD 15 15
referee: Jimmy Devlin 6-9 | judge: Harold Lederman 5-10 | judge: Tony Castellano 6-8
WBA World lightweight title
1971-06-22 139 Eddie Linder 139 27-6-6
Auditorium, Miami Beach, Florida, USA L MD 10 10
referee: Cy Gottfried 45-44 | judge: Gus Jacobson 44-46 | judge: Bunny Lovett 46-48
Laguna was knocked down in 3rd round.
1971-04-03 135 Chango Carmona 135¼ 43-8-2
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 98-94 | judge: Carlos Aldana 100-92 | judge: Roberto Navarro 99-94
1971-03-06 137 Lloyd Marshall 133 22-7-0
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Roberto Lopez | judge: Juan Carlos Tapia 100-93
1970-09-26 134½ Ken Buchanan 134 36-1-0
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico L SD 15 15
referee: Waldemar Schmidt 144-143 | judge: Pito Lopez 144-145 | judge: Jose Soto 143-144
WBA World lightweight title
NYSAC World lightweight title
1970-06-06 135 Guts Ishimatsu 135 16-5-4
Gimnasio Nuevo Panama, Panama City, Panama W TKO 13 15
time: 2:45 | referee: Juval Horta 120-108 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 119-111 | judge: Juan Carlos Tapia 120-107
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1970-03-03 135 Mando Ramos 134½ 28-3-0
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA W TKO 9 15
referee: Lee Grossman 6-3 | judge: Dick Young 5-4 | judge: John Thomas 5-3
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
Ramos' manager Jackie McCoy asked the referee to stop the bout, due to cuts over both of Ramos' eyes.
1970-01-24 134¾ Jose Luis Vallejo 137½ 18-6-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 3 10
referee: Roberto Lopez
1969-07-14 136 Genaro Soto 135½ 26-9-2
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Tony Perez | judge: Al Berl | judge: Jack Gordon
Scoring: Referee Tony Perez 8-2, Judge Al Berl 8-1-1, Judge Jack Gordon 6-3-1.
1969-07-05 135½ Eugenio Espinoza 137 60-9-4
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Alfonso Rodriguez | judge: Osvaldo Reyes 99-95 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 100-92 | judge: Harry Boyd 100-92
1969-05-24 135 Eugenio Espinoza 138 58-9-4
Quito, Ecuador L UD 10 10
judge: Juan Carlos Tapia
1969-03-31 Maurice Tavant 46-13-4
Palais des Sports, Lyon, Rhône, France W PTS 10 10
1969-03-01 136 Curley Aguirre 134½ 26-20-1
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W TKO 4 10
time: 2:24 | referee: Isaac Herrera
1968-11-15 136 Roman Blanco 136 22-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W MD 10 10
referee: Jimmy Devlin 7-3 | judge: Johnny Dran 7-3 | judge: Tony Rossi 5-5
1968-10-22 137½ Grady Ponder 134 29-9-0
Miami Beach, Florida, USA W UD 10 10
1968-10-07 136 Gabe LaMarca 16-6-4
Catholic Youth Center, Scranton, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 8 10
This bout did not occur on 10/05 in Portland, Maine as a 7th round KO as previously displayed here.
1968-08-20 136 Lloyd Marshall 131½ 19-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W TKO 9 10
time: 2:49 | referee: Johnny LoBianco
A cut over Marshall's left eye forced the stoppage.
1968-07-17 136 Victor Melendez 136 16-0-4
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Harold Valan 7-3 | judge: Tony Castellano 9-1 | judge: Tony Rossi 9-1
1968-04-29 136 Frankie Narvaez 136¼ 34-6-1
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico W UD 10 10
1968-04-15 135 Bud Anderson 138 16-9-3
Arena, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 10 10
1968-02-26 136 Ray Adigun 135¼ 33-6-0
Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10
1967-10-28 133¼ Paul Armstead 135 50-16-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W PTS 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 98-94 | judge: Harry Boyd 98-94 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 98-94
1967-08-16 135 Carlos Ortiz 135 50-5-1
Shea Stadium, Queens, New York, USA L UD 15 15
referee: Arthur Mercante 4-10 | judge: Al Berl 4-10 | judge: Jack Gordon 3-11
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1967-06-03 136 Alfredo Urbina 135¼ 48-16-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W PTS 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera 99-95 | judge: Harry Boyd 98-94 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 99-95
1967-04-01 135½ Vicente Rivas 136 33-13-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W KO 5 10
time: 3:03 | referee: Isaac Herrera
Rivas was counted out after the bell.
1967-03-10 134¼ Frankie Narvaez 135½ 30-4-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA W UD 12 12
referee: Jimmy Devlin 7-5 | judge: Jack Gordon 8-3 | judge: Artie Aidala 9-1
1966-12-03 135 Daniel Guanin 138¼ 30-4-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W KO 8 10
time: 1:45 | referee: Roberto Lopez
1966-10-02 135½ Percy Hayles 136 25-15-6
Estadio Nacional, Kingston, Jamaica W TKO 6 10
time: 2:05 | referee: Emilio Sanchez
1966-07-28 135 Al Grant 139 19-9-3
Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, USA W UD 10 10
referee: Dick Young
1966-03-19 134 Flash Elorde 135 78-19-2
Araneta Coliseum, Barangay Cubao, Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines L UD 10 10
referee: Teodorico Reyes | judge: Arturo Cayetano 45-48 | judge: Alfredo Quiazon 44-46 | judge: Jaime Valencia 44-45
Laguna was knocked down once in the 4th and 9th rounds.
1966-02-19 133½ Carlos Hernandez 134¼ 39-4-3
Estadio Juan D. Arosemena, Panama City, Panama W TKO 8 10
time: 0:30 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay | judge: Harmodio Cedeno | judge: Ramon Moynes
1965-11-13 133 Carlos Ortiz 134½ 45-5-0
Hiram Bithorn Stadium, San Juan, Puerto Rico L UD 15 15
referee: Rocky Marciano 143-148 | judge: Jose Soto 138-150 | judge: Harry Boyd 143-145
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1965-07-17 136¾ Nicolino Locche 134 57-2-11
Estadio Luna Park, Buenos Aires, Distrito Federal, Argentina D PTS 10 10
1965-06-19 136 Raul Soriano 136¾ 24-8-1
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 8 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1965-04-10 132 Carlos Ortiz 134¾ 45-4-0
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W MD 15 15
referee: Jersey Joe Walcott 143-132 | judge: Ben Green 145-145 | judge: Ramon Moynes 149-137
WBC lightweight title
WBA World lightweight title
1964-12-20 132½ Sebastiao Nascimento 130½ 26-5-7
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay 99-92 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 98-93 | judge: Harry Boyd 99-92
1964-10-24 134½ Percy Hayles 133 22-10-6
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W TKO 7 10
time: 1:10 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay | judge: Harmodio Cedeno | judge: Harry Boyd
1964-08-02 132½ Vicente Milan Derado 132¾ 49-17-14
Estadio Olimpico, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Roberto Lopez 100-93 | judge: Harmodio Cedeno 99-94 | judge: Ramon Moynes 99-89
1964-07-06 130 Kid Anahuac 132 59-31-7
Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, USA W TKO 8 10
time: 1:41 | referee: Lee Grossman
1964-06-01 125 Vicente Saldivar 126 24-1-0
Plaza de Toros, Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico L PTS 10 10
1964-03-09 130¾ Angel Robinson Garcia 132 66-22-5
Palais des Sports, Paris, Paris, France W PTS 10 10
Laguna was knocked down in the 1st for no count, and for a three count in the 5th (UPI)
1964-02-21 128½ Oripes Dos Santos 125½ 10-5-4
Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil W KO 7 10
1964-01-26 Pedro Miranda 58-15-13
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 0:20 | referee: Colon Al Brown
1963-11-18 127½ Rafiu King 127½ 40-7-4
Palais des Sports, Paris, Paris, France W UD 10 10
referee: Paul Castellano
1963-09-15 126¼ Antonio Herrera 126¼ 26-2-4
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 6 10
referee: Isaac Herrera
1963-08-25 126¼ Eduardo Guerrero 125¾ 35-10-3
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
1963-07-21 126 Don Johnson 125½ 28-7-3
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 3 10
Injury
1963-06-07 125½ Antonio Herrera 125¼ 24-2-4
Plaza de Toros Santamaria, Bogota, Colombia L PTS 10 10
referee: Ismael Barboza 94-97
1963-05-20 127¾ Fili Nava 131¾ 66-19-6
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 3 10
time: 2:56 | referee: Isaac Herrera
1963-03-17 125 Auburn Copeland 124½ 59-13-2
Plaza de Toros La Macarena, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Rogelio Pinzon 99-95 | judge: Humberto Figueroa Sr. 99-93 | judge: Jose Graham 98-93
1963-02-22 124¾ Juan Ramirez 125 39-7-4
Estadio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
referee: Isaac Herrera
Laguna knocked down in 8th round
1963-01-20 125 Bobby Gray 126 13-10-4
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 9 10
referee: Servio Tulio Lay
Injury
1962-12-16 124 Tony Herrera 122¾ 22-4-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 10
time: 1:58 | referee: Rogelio Pinzon
1962-11-18 121½ Enrique Hitchman 121½ 12-5-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 10
time: 2:20 | referee: Rogelio Pinzon
1962-10-28 123¾ Beresford Francis 125¾ 7-6-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 5 10
time: 1:10 | referee: Colon Al Brown
1962-09-16 122 Pedro (Manhattan Kid) Ortiz 122½ 16-4-2
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W TKO 7 10
1962-07-29 122 Jorge Baby Salazar 118¾ 33-12-3
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 6 10
1962-06-24 123 Carlos Celis 126 22-4-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 5 10
1962-06-10 Agustin Carmona 8-2-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 6 10
time: 1:20 | referee: Vivian Stewart
1962-06-03 120 Jorge Uzcategui 120
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 2 10
time: 1:04 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1962-04-15 117 Nelson Estrada 119 24-10-0
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 7 10
Laguna down for first time in career in second
1962-03-02 Castor Castillo 2-0-0
Maracaibo, Venezuela W PTS 10 10
1962-01-14 118¼ Eloy Sanchez 118¼ 28-14-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 0:23 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
Sanchez knocked down in 2nd round
1961-12-01 120 Hector Hicks 121 18-5-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 5 10
time: 2:11 | referee: Servio Tulio Lay
1961-10-15 118½ Euro Partides 118½ 0-1-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 4 10
time: 1:05 | referee: Vivian Stewart
1961-08-27 118½ Enrique Hitchman 119¾ 11-4-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 10 10
1961-06-25 116½ Claudio Martinez 117¾ 11-7-2
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W TKO 4 10
Martinez knocked down three times in 4th round
1961-06-04 Killer Solomon 27-6-3
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 7 10
1961-05-21 117 Battling Escudero 120¼ 3-3-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W KO 2 6
time: 2:55
1961-04-30 116 Ernesto Campbell 119 10-7-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 6 6
1961-04-16 118 Jose Pacheco 119 2-6-1
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 3 4
time: 2:00
1961-03-26 117¾ Carlos Real 113 5-4-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W SD 6 6
1961-03-05 120 Javier Valle 118 1-0-0
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W UD 4 4
1961-01-22 118¾ Eduardo Frutos 118½ 3-5-1
Arena de Colon, Colon City, Panama W UD 4 4
1960-08-21 117¾ Antonio Morgan 117¾
Gimnasio Nacional, Panama City, Panama W KO 2 4
Laguna´s pro debut
Mando Ramos never got good enough to beat Ismael Laguna.
He might have but who knows? He blew his candle out early.