Cleland Miners Welfare, Friday 24th May. Prospect Boxing

[ppb]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

[spudder56]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

x2 Best of luck mate

[geoffburt07]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

Fair enough Paul. Good luck.

[billy nelson]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

I would have thought there medicals and licence status should be in place before you advertise them on the show (Martin Taylor).
Alex Morrisons dinner shows are only £45 more expensive,but you get what you pay for Cleland Miners or Thistle Hotel, pie diner or excellent 3 coarse dinner,but most importantly a far better class of boxing!
Just my opinion of coarse.

[billy nelson]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

You forgot to mention they won't fight if they don't sell enough tickets!



x2 Best of luck mate

[bigped]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

I would have thought there medicals and licence status should be in place before you advertise them on the show (Martin Taylor).
Alex Morrisons dinner shows are only £45 more expensive,but you get what you pay for Cleland Miners or Thistle Hotel, pie diner or excellent 3 coarse dinner,but most importantly a far better class of boxing!
Just my opinion of coarse.

how whats wrong with martin taylor billy?

[billy nelson]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

I would have thought there medicals and licence status should be in place before you advertise them on the show (Martin Taylor).
Alex Morrisons dinner shows are only £45 more expensive,but you get what you pay for Cleland Miners or Thistle Hotel, pie diner or excellent 3 coarse dinner,but most importantly a far better class of boxing!
Just my opinion of coarse.

how whats wrong with martin taylor billy?

Martin told me he's not even completed his medicals and he was advertised on the poster as being on the bill,alba put it on here and esb that Martin was making his debut on the show surely a clear case of misleading the public.

[billy nelson]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

And most importantly they won't be on if they don't do there tickets EH?
IMO the board need to address the issue of a boxer working there balls off in a gym for weeks and because they can't sell enough tickets to cover there fight the promoter pulls them off the show,this is totally wrong and is a growing issue within our sport

[spudder56]

The Clue is in the title of the promotion!

Working men's clubs are a type of private social club which were first created in the 19th century in industrial areas of the United Kingdom, to provide recreation and education for working class men and their families.

Not every boxing fan especially the younger fan in his early twenties maybe working in a factory who wants to follow his mate can afford £75 -£100 for a black tie or wine and dine evening in a country club or four star hotels from his average wage of say £250.

The logistics and organisation in running a 10 fight bill are enormous therefore I can’t run this type of promotion every 8-10 weeks at £30 entry fee.

The core costs in running a three fight dinner show for Doctors, paramedics, ring hire, security, board tax ect still equate to the best part of 5k before the boxers get paid therefore the admission price has to reflect this at £35.

The Stake pie diner might not be michelin star but the quality of the boxing is the same, the comedians are just as funny and the price of a pint is guaranteed to a lot less expensive.

For whatever reason, some boxers might not be ready for the large show through injury, last minute pullouts, medical or licence staus therefore my business plan of a large show then a small show then a large show every 8-10 weeks makes sure that all of my boxers are getting regular work.

I seem to be getting slated from some quarters for charging £35 for my next promotion. It’s still £65 cheaper than most dinner/boxing events and it allows the working man to follow his mates affordably.

FFS guys, gimmie a break!

And most importantly they won't be on if they don't do there tickets EH?
IMO the board need to address the issue of a boxer working there balls off in a gym for weeks and because they can't sell enough tickets to cover there fight the promoter pulls them off the show,this is totally wrong and is a growing issue within our sport

The board dont recognise Ticket deal contracts at all mate

[bripez]

The board dont recognise Ticket deal contracts at all mate

Just because the BBofC don't recognise it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

What about those boxers who have (allegedly) not been paid for fights - the Board deny all knowledge.

[pyenest77]

isnt that just cheating the paying public anyway?

We have pulled Billy Powderpunch v TBA, Johhny Slugger v TBA & Jimmy Pureboxer because he didnt do enough tickets so now for your entertainment (when the flyer advertised them on the bill) the card is 3 fights!!

[JamieM]

Totally agree with Billy, Promotors need to work harder at selling the tickets themselves aswell as boxers obviosly contributing. Why should a boxer do all the work? Totally disagree with putting ticket prices up but hey if they sell then fair and well. Myself id rather pay the fiver extra and go see Ricky Burns with a top undercard:)

[Duffus91]

And most importantly they won't be on if they don't do there tickets EH?
IMO the board need to address the issue of a boxer working there balls off in a gym for weeks and because they can't sell enough tickets to cover there fight the promoter pulls them off the show,this is totally wrong and is a growing issue within our sport

I might be completely off on the wrong direction here altogether, but I'm almost certain that most of the undercard for the Ricky Burns fight will be managed by Alex Morrison. They're very lucky fighters to be associated with Ricky Burns manager, and most probably you yourself Billy.

Paul doesn't have the luxury of a World champion to build his shows on the back of. World championship boxing has a big lure the World over. I'm almost certain if you were to ask maybe more than half the sell-out crowd that's to be expected at the Emirates arena who Stephen Simmons or Jon Slowey is, none of them would have a clue. The majority of the crowd that night will be the "types" that says they have a passion for boxing because they've watched Ali or the Rocky movies and probably a few Tyson fights when they were younger.

[spudder56]

The board dont recognise Ticket deal contracts at all mate

Just because the BBofC don't recognise it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

What about those boxers who have (allegedly) not been paid for fights - the Board deny all knowledge.

Of course it happens all the time all I said was the board have no juristriction over a ticket deal contract that is a private agreement between boxer/promotor if any boxer hasnt been paid in the stipulated time limit their manager should put it in writing to their Area Secretary immeadiately What do you mean the Board deny all knowledge ? They can only be aware if they are informed in writing with the full circumstances and beleive me they will act on the facts as per the regulations Problems really start if Managers/Boxers sign deals with Promotors that are not on the Standard Promotor/boxer agreement form supplied by the Board

[billy nelson]

And most importantly they won't be on if they don't do there tickets EH?
IMO the board need to address the issue of a boxer working there balls off in a gym for weeks and because they can't sell enough tickets to cover there fight the promoter pulls them off the show,this is totally wrong and is a growing issue within our sport

I might be completely off on the wrong direction here altogether, but I'm almost certain that most of the undercard for the Ricky Burns fight will be managed by Alex Morrison. They're very lucky fighters to be associated with Ricky Burns manager, and most probably you yourself Billy.

Paul doesn't have the luxury of a World champion to build his shows on the back of. World championship boxing has a big lure the World over. I'm almost certain if you were to ask maybe more than half the sell-out crowd that's to be expected at the Emirates arena who Stephen Simmons or Jon Slowey is, none of them would have a clue. The majority of the crowd that night will be the "types" that says they have a passion for boxing because they've watched Ali or the Rocky movies and probably a few Tyson fights when they were younger.

I disagree mate and here's why,both Simmons and Slowey are better fighters than anyone Paul has hence people want to watch them,Simmons will sell easy 500 tickets for the show and I'd imagine Jon would do several hundred as well, the public are no fools they know the top Scottish talent will be on show on the 11th may.
The boxers aren't lucky mate they've just associated themselves with the top manager in the country, one thing about Alex hes not full of broken promises he'll tell you the truth from the start

[dalcumly]

Two comments. I agree that the job of a promoter is to PROMOTE the show! It's not right that the boxer has to train ,spar eat right AND sell his own tickets. Usually most boxers have friends and family who want to see them fight anyway.
But my other comment concerns the small promoters who are trying their hardest to keep boxing alive.The show being discussed on this thread will not make much of a profit if anything at all. So we have to ask ourselves why is the promoter doing it? I would suggest he's doing it to keep his boxers fighting and to provide some entertainment for local boxing fans. Should everybody not be encouraging him? £35 might be expensive but people don't go to boxing shows every week. Paying this amount every couple of months or so , isn't bad.
I say good luck to the 'wee guys'.

[spudder56]

Two comments. I agree that the job of a promoter is to PROMOTE the show! It's not right that the boxer has to train ,spar eat right AND sell his own tickets. Usually most boxers have friends and family who want to see them fight anyway.
But my other comment concerns the small promoters who are trying their hardest to keep boxing alive.The show being discussed on this thread will not make much of a profit if anything at all. So we have to ask ourselves why is the promoter doing it? I would suggest he's doing it to keep his boxers fighting and to provide some entertainment for local boxing fans. Should everybody not be encouraging him? £35 might be expensive but people don't go to boxing shows every week. Paying this amount every couple of months or so , isn't bad.
I say good luck to the 'wee guys'.

Spot on mate small hall promotors are the lifeblood of the game and yes all small hall promotors need encouragement not negativity Best of luck to all Small hall promotors

[JimJim2009]

If you're doing food with the show call it steak pie not stake pie FFS

[Looking On]

If the boxers want to get some work by getting fights and are asked to sell x amount of tickets to be given that chance then whats the problem ?

Why dont you guys agree with that ? ive seen it said pretty often lately on here .

The promoter is the one taking the financial risk and the only person not guranteed to be paid , its only fair he has a way to cover his arse , its either that or there being less shows , less work for boxers and thus the sport being even more marginalised .

[Duffus91]

I disagree mate and here's why,both Simmons and Slowey are better fighters than anyone Paul has hence people want to watch them,Simmons will sell easy 500 tickets for the show and I'd imagine Jon would do several hundred as well, the public are no fools they know the top Scottish talent will be on show on the 11th may.
The boxers aren't lucky mate they've just associated themselves with the top manager in the country, one thing about Alex hes not full of broken promises he'll tell you the truth from the start

As I said Bill I might've been off the wrong direction right from the off. I wasn't sure of the ticket-selling credentials of both the men mentioned in my post. Point taken.

[sockie]

billy i have been to some of alex shows where the boxing has been poor, the main one that springs to mind is when your lad edgar made his debut in the gorbals, you slag off everyone you are not associated with and money is your god, if it wasnt for ricky you would have no-one and you should remember that.

[Duffus91]

billy i have been to some of alex shows where the boxing has been poor, the main one that springs to mind is when your lad edgar made his debut in the gorbals, you slag off everyone you are not associated with and money is your god, if it wasnt for ricky you would have no-one and you should remember that.

Pathetic.

[Alba]

If the boxers want to get some work by getting fights and are asked to sell x amount of tickets to be given that chance then whats the problem ?

Why dont you guys agree with that ? ive seen it said pretty often lately on here .

The promoter is the one taking the financial risk and the only person not guranteed to be paid , its only fair he has a way to cover his arse , its either that or there being less shows , less work for boxers and thus the sport being even more marginalised .

a lot of goes on in small hall boxing- its not ideal ,in an ideal world it wouldent have to happen but it does. I remember seeing mickey helliot speaking on bunceys show the other week he said the same thing and im sure Carl Greaves was on ringside last years (who are both part of lifeblood of the sport) saying the same about their guys . I just wish we could all pull together instead of trying to create division and put each other down....

[spudder56]

If the boxers want to get some work by getting fights and are asked to sell x amount of tickets to be given that chance then whats the problem ?

Why dont you guys agree with that ? ive seen it said pretty often lately on here .

The promoter is the one taking the financial risk and the only person not guranteed to be paid , its only fair he has a way to cover his arse , its either that or there being less shows , less work for boxers and thus the sport being even more marginalised .

100% Correct

[daviddee]

billy i have been to some of alex shows where the boxing has been poor, the main one that springs to mind is when your lad edgar made his debut in the gorbals, you slag off everyone you are not associated with and money is your god, if it wasnt for ricky you would have no-one and you should remember that.

I was at that Gorbals show. Got to agree it wasnt a great show and we left after Ronnie"The Shark"Clark had fought. I'm sure he was 2nd on.. We had fun for his short bout anyway.. I think every promoter has poor shows.. I quite like the concept of this show he's trying something different.. Gary works really hard promoting these small hall shows for Prospect only 2 things I would say is make the fights more competitive if fans are paying £35 for 4 fights they should all be competitive... And I think Paul should stop being a child saying he won't allow any of his fighters to fight Ronnie.. Surely you would want to shut him up.