Riddick bowe fights i should watch

[Brutu]

Hide almost seemed like he wanted to wrestle the Big man ,Bowe
in close in the early rounds.
What about Bowe complaing about the bump on the head to the ref?
Hardly the actions of a true Heavyweight champion,because one should know
in any fight,sh*t happens.

[Brutu]

Like im sure that whenever Hide in the course of his career
threw a hard jab or a big right hand,
the thumb part never went accidently into someone elses eye socket either
when the opponent tried to slip the punch at the last second.

[zorndeslammes]

Disappointed no one brought up the better Donald fight (press conference).

[Rover]

Disappointed no one brought up the better Donald fight (press conference).

I'd have mentioned it except he said he already had Donald, and I believe they showed the incident on that broadcast.

[Ambling Alp II]

It would have been great if Bowe would have fought Tyson, Moorer, Tua, Foreman, and of course Lewis. Lewis certainly wanted to fight him; of course the press conference where he declined to fight Lewis will always hurt his reputation.

However, it's doubtful that Tyson, Foreman and Moorer did. Tua probably would have been willing but Bowe probably would have beaten him.

It's important to really look at a fighter's career in the context of what was happening at the time. Before he ever fought for the title, Bowe fought Seldon (who had just given McCall a tough fight) Tubbs, Biggs, Cooper (who was still a decent fighter) and Thomas, who we didn't know how much he had left. He did all of this in his first three years as a pro.

After Holyfiled, he took on Donald, Hide, Gonzales, and Golota. While that doesn't look particularly impressive now, you have to remember that at the time they were considered fighters with some ability. No one could tell that they would not do that much after Bowe fought them.

Hardly anyone fights all of the best opponents that they could have. Lewis never took on Foreman or Moorer. Even Holyfield never fought Tua or Ruddock.

Bowe could have fought better competiton, no doubt about it. However, it was not as bad as some people think.

[Seamus]

I've been re-evaluating Bowe a bit recently. Not saying he never looked impressive, but in some of his later fights (even pre-Golota) he looked pretty flawed. He was always tough and possessed good punching power, put his defense was very poor at times, and he could look fairly sluggish.

[Rover]

He's allegedly making a muay thai debut soon, so you can see him again!

Christ...

[Rover]

It would have been great if Bowe would have fought Tyson, Moorer, Tua, Foreman, and of course Lewis. Lewis certainly wanted to fight him; of course the press conference where he declined to fight Lewis will always hurt his reputation.

However, it's doubtful that Tyson, Foreman and Moorer did. Tua probably would have been willing but Bowe probably would have beaten him.

It's important to really look at a fighter's career in the context of what was happening at the time. Before he ever fought for the title, Bowe fought Seldon (who had just given McCall a tough fight) Tubbs, Biggs, Cooper (who was still a decent fighter) and Thomas, who we didn't know how much he had left. He did all of this in his first three years as a pro.

After Holyfiled, he took on Donald, Hide, Gonzales, and Golota. While that doesn't look particularly impressive now, you have to remember that at the time they were considered fighters with some ability. No one could tell that they would not do that much after Bowe fought them.

Hardly anyone fights all of the best opponents that they could have. Lewis never took on Foreman or Moorer. Even Holyfield never fought Tua or Ruddock.

Bowe could have fought better competiton, no doubt about it. However, it was not as bad as some people think.

There's a difference between criticizing a guy for not having fought every possible quality opponent v. criticizing a guy for not having fought the best and blatantly ducking him. Holyfield didn't fight Tua or Ruddock; he fought Foreman, Moorerx2, Lewisx2, Bowex3, Tysonx2. 'Nuff said.
Bowe beat Holyfield and was mandated to fight Lewis. Instead, he pulled his stunt and fought Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson.
Bowe was done by the end of 96, and Golota was comparable to Tua in terms of accomplishments, so I won't even criticize Bowe for the Tua fight. My main issue with him always will be that disgrace involving Lewis. Those two were clearly the top dogs, Bowe was ordered to fight him, and he fought Michael friggin' Dokes!

[MEISINGER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GniieKLJsC0

you have got to be kidding me

[Ambling Alp II]

It would have been great if Bowe would have fought Tyson, Moorer, Tua, Foreman, and of course Lewis. Lewis certainly wanted to fight him; of course the press conference where he declined to fight Lewis will always hurt his reputation.

However, it's doubtful that Tyson, Foreman and Moorer did. Tua probably would have been willing but Bowe probably would have beaten him.

It's important to really look at a fighter's career in the context of what was happening at the time. Before he ever fought for the title, Bowe fought Seldon (who had just given McCall a tough fight) Tubbs, Biggs, Cooper (who was still a decent fighter) and Thomas, who we didn't know how much he had left. He did all of this in his first three years as a pro.

After Holyfiled, he took on Donald, Hide, Gonzales, and Golota. While that doesn't look particularly impressive now, you have to remember that at the time they were considered fighters with some ability. No one could tell that they would not do that much after Bowe fought them.

Hardly anyone fights all of the best opponents that they could have. Lewis never took on Foreman or Moorer. Even Holyfield never fought Tua or Ruddock.

Bowe could have fought better competiton, no doubt about it. However, it was not as bad as some people think.

There's a difference between criticizing a guy for not having fought every possible quality opponent v. criticizing a guy for not having fought the best and blatantly ducking him. Holyfield didn't fight Tua or Ruddock; he fought Foreman, Moorerx2, Lewisx2, Bowex3, Tysonx2. 'Nuff said.
Bowe beat Holyfield and was mandated to fight Lewis. Instead, he pulled his stunt and fought Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson.
Bowe was done by the end of 96, and Golota was comparable to Tua in terms of accomplishments, so I won't even criticize Bowe for the Tua fight. My main issue with him always will be that disgrace involving Lewis. Those two were clearly the top dogs, Bowe was ordered to fight him, and he fought Michael friggin' Dokes!

I pretty much agree with what you said. Bowe should be criticized for not fighting Lewis, no doubt about it. I was just commenting on the notion that he constantly avoided the best fighters, which is not really true. It's likely that some of them, (Foreman, Moorer, and Tyson) wanted no part of him. He fought much better competiton than most guys do on their way up and beat some decent opponents after winning the title. And of course he did fight Holyfield three times.

If Bowe had to do it all over again, I think he would have fought Lewis. Even if he got blown away in the first round, he would have got less criticism than blatantly ducking him. However, that was his decision and he has to live with it. Or he could have avoided Lewis but no so blatantly and got a lot less criticism. Tyson avoided Lewis until he could use the "past his prime" excuse and gets almost no criticism for this.

[Rover]

It would have been great if Bowe would have fought Tyson, Moorer, Tua, Foreman, and of course Lewis. Lewis certainly wanted to fight him; of course the press conference where he declined to fight Lewis will always hurt his reputation.

However, it's doubtful that Tyson, Foreman and Moorer did. Tua probably would have been willing but Bowe probably would have beaten him.

It's important to really look at a fighter's career in the context of what was happening at the time. Before he ever fought for the title, Bowe fought Seldon (who had just given McCall a tough fight) Tubbs, Biggs, Cooper (who was still a decent fighter) and Thomas, who we didn't know how much he had left. He did all of this in his first three years as a pro.

After Holyfiled, he took on Donald, Hide, Gonzales, and Golota. While that doesn't look particularly impressive now, you have to remember that at the time they were considered fighters with some ability. No one could tell that they would not do that much after Bowe fought them.

Hardly anyone fights all of the best opponents that they could have. Lewis never took on Foreman or Moorer. Even Holyfield never fought Tua or Ruddock.

Bowe could have fought better competiton, no doubt about it. However, it was not as bad as some people think.

There's a difference between criticizing a guy for not having fought every possible quality opponent v. criticizing a guy for not having fought the best and blatantly ducking him. Holyfield didn't fight Tua or Ruddock; he fought Foreman, Moorerx2, Lewisx2, Bowex3, Tysonx2. 'Nuff said.
Bowe beat Holyfield and was mandated to fight Lewis. Instead, he pulled his stunt and fought Michael Dokes and Jesse Ferguson.
Bowe was done by the end of 96, and Golota was comparable to Tua in terms of accomplishments, so I won't even criticize Bowe for the Tua fight. My main issue with him always will be that disgrace involving Lewis. Those two were clearly the top dogs, Bowe was ordered to fight him, and he fought Michael friggin' Dokes!

I pretty much agree with what you said. Bowe should be criticized for not fighting Lewis, no doubt about it. I was just commenting on the notion that he constantly avoided the best fighters, which is not really true. It's likely that some of them, (Foreman, Moorer, and Tyson) wanted no part of him. He fought much better competiton than most guys do on their way up and beat some decent opponents after winning the title. And of course he did fight Holyfield three times.

If Bowe had to do it all over again, I think he would have fought Lewis. Even if he got blown away in the first round, he would have got less criticism than blatantly ducking him. However, that was his decision and he has to live with it. Or he could have avoided Lewis but no so blatantly and got a lot less criticism. Tyson avoided Lewis until he could use the "past his prime" excuse and gets almost no criticism for this.

Tyson, though, had already lost his undisputed title by the time Lewis came along. Tyson was in prison when Lewis beat Ruddock. I think prime Tyson was the one up until he went away for 3 years. That's the difference from Bowe.

[Ambling Alp II]

I am not criticizing Tyson for not fighting Lewis before he went to prison.

Tyson first fight after came back from prison was in 1995. He didn't fight Lewis until 2002. I would not expect him to fight someone as good as Lewis right off the bat, but he certainly could have fought much earlier, say 1998. They even went as far as giving Lewis stand aside $ so Tyson would not have defend his WBS title against Lewis who was the #1 mandatory challenger.

He waited 7 years before taking on Lewis. Lewis wins, but most people now completely discount it since Tyson was too old. Had that fight happneded in say, 1998, the "past his prime excuse" would have been less credible. Tyson deserves to be ripped for not taking on Lewis much sooner.

[Rover]

I am not criticizing Tyson for not fighting Lewis before he went to prison.

Tyson first fight after came back from prison was in 1995. He didn't fight Lewis until 2002. I would not expect him to fight someone as good as Lewis right off the bat, but he certainly could have fought much earlier, say 1998. They even went as far as giving Lewis stand aside $ so Tyson would not have defend his WBS title against Lewis who was the #1 mandatory challenger.

He waited 7 years before taking on Lewis. Lewis wins, but most people now completely discount it since Tyson was too old. Had that fight happneded in say, 1998, the "past his prime excuse" would have been less credible. Tyson deserves to be ripped for not taking on Lewis much sooner.

He was banned that year. He'd just lost twice to Hoolyfield, and the match everyone wanted at that point was Lewis/Holyfield.

[gilgamesh]

I am not criticizing Tyson for not fighting Lewis before he went to prison.

Tyson first fight after came back from prison was in 1995. He didn't fight Lewis until 2002. I would not expect him to fight someone as good as Lewis right off the bat, but he certainly could have fought much earlier, say 1998. They even went as far as giving Lewis stand aside $ so Tyson would not have defend his WBS title against Lewis who was the #1 mandatory challenger.

He waited 7 years before taking on Lewis. Lewis wins, but most people now completely discount it since Tyson was too old. Had that fight happneded in say, 1998, the "past his prime excuse" would have been less credible. Tyson deserves to be ripped for not taking on Lewis much sooner.

He was banned that year. He'd just lost twice to Hoolyfield, and the match everyone wanted at that point was Lewis/Holyfield.

Lennox would've whipped Tyson's ass in 1996, 97 or 98.

[Ambling Alp II]

The point is that he could have fought Lewis much sooner than he did.

[Rover]

I am not criticizing Tyson for not fighting Lewis before he went to prison.

Tyson first fight after came back from prison was in 1995. He didn't fight Lewis until 2002. I would not expect him to fight someone as good as Lewis right off the bat, but he certainly could have fought much earlier, say 1998. They even went as far as giving Lewis stand aside $ so Tyson would not have defend his WBS title against Lewis who was the #1 mandatory challenger.

He waited 7 years before taking on Lewis. Lewis wins, but most people now completely discount it since Tyson was too old. Had that fight happneded in say, 1998, the "past his prime excuse" would have been less credible. Tyson deserves to be ripped for not taking on Lewis much sooner.

He was banned that year. He'd just lost twice to Hoolyfield, and the match everyone wanted at that point was Lewis/Holyfield.

Lennox would've whipped Tyson's ass in 1996, 97 or 98.

[Rover]

The point is that he could have fought Lewis much sooner than he did.

And he was finished by 96 also. He got beaten twice by Holyfield. That was the equivalent of fighting Lewis; the two were equal in terms of quality. If he'd fought Lewis, the same thing would've happened, and then he wouldn't have fought Evander for years. He was going to get his ass kicked either way; he picked Evander to do it.

[Ambling Alp II]

Tyson was past his best, but he was far from finished. He looked very good in the Bruno fight. Holyfield was the one who many people thought was finished. He had looked bad in most of the Bowe fight and was 34, four years older than Tyson and had taken a lot more punishment in his career.
At that point, Lewis looked like a much bigger challenge. The conventional wisdom going into the first Holyfield fight was that Tyson would blow Holyfield out easily. Tyson was pretty competitive in the first several rounds; but Holyfield fought a great fight and beat him.

No legitimate reason why Tyson could not have fought Lewis much sooner. The fans were screaming for it for several years. I agree that Lewis probably would have won; Tyson may have thought that as well. At minimum, though you have to give Tyson a puncher's chance. It was one of if not the potnetially biggest fights out there for several years.

[loaded_gloves]

Foreman never wanted to fight Bowe, Tua was never in the mix at the time, Moorer never pressed the Bowe fight which he had the right to press but opted not to and took money to be quiet.

Bowe could've fought Lewis in 93 but didn't.

Lewis could've fought Bowe in 95 but got himself KOd by McCall in 94.

Lewis again could've fought Bowe for big bucks in 96, on HBO, instead of Bowe v Golota 1, but he declined to everybody's puzzlement.

It really helps if you were following the sport at the time, or at very least do your research before disparaging fighters.

[loaded_gloves]

Lennox would've whipped Tyson's ass in 1996, 97 or 98.

Based on his showing versus Ray Mercer, Lewis needed Tyson to be far more diminished than he was in 96 before he could safely face him.

[Adamj1987]

Foreman never wanted to fight Bowe, Tua was never in the mix at the time, Moorer never pressed the Bowe fight which he had the right to press but opted not to and took money to be quiet.

Bowe could've fought Lewis in 93 but didn't.

Lewis could've fought Bowe in 95 but got himself KOd by McCall in 94.

Lewis again could've fought Bowe for big bucks in 96, on HBO, instead of Bowe v Golota 1, but he declined to everybody's puzzlement.

It really helps if you were following the sport at the time, or at very least do your research before disparaging fighters.

For the first proposal when bowe dumped the WBC belt didnt newman offer lewis a contract of 32mil from HBO with 90% going to bowe thats why he rejected it with the fight going to purse bids and thats why he dumped it. And ive read they offered lewis a fight on a bowe undercard after that and maloney declined not trusting bowes management after the stupid offer. I suspect thats the reason the 96 fight never happened

[loaded_gloves]

No, there was never any explanation to why the 96 fight didn't happen. Bowe had just KOd Holyfield, the media recognised him as the best in the world, no one respected Don King's paper champs, Lewis was offered a lucrative big money fight vs Bowe on HBO but he didn't fancy it - for whatever reason. Bowe instead fought Golota and Lewis fought Mercer.

[Rover]

Tyson was past his best, but he was far from finished. He looked very good in the Bruno fight. Holyfield was the one who many people thought was finished. He had looked bad in most of the Bowe fight and was 34, four years older than Tyson and had taken a lot more punishment in his career.
At that point, Lewis looked like a much bigger challenge. The conventional wisdom going into the first Holyfield fight was that Tyson would blow Holyfield out easily. Tyson was pretty competitive in the first several rounds; but Holyfield fought a great fight and beat him.

No legitimate reason why Tyson could not have fought Lewis much sooner. The fans were screaming for it for several years. I agree that Lewis probably would have won; Tyson may have thought that as well. At minimum, though you have to give Tyson a puncher's chance. It was one of if not the potnetially biggest fights out there for several years.

Not in 1996. Lewis didn't even have a title. He won a close one over Mercer that May. Lewis was still on HBO cards except for the Golota PPV at the end of 97 until the first Holyfield fight. Look at it this way: Holy and Lewis would've beaten Tyson at that point (96). If Tyson had fought Lewis and then Holy had gone on to accomplish what he did over the next couple years, the complaint would've been that Tyson didn't fight Holyfield, a fight that had been talked about since the late 80s!

[Rover]

Foreman never wanted to fight Bowe, Tua was never in the mix at the time, Moorer never pressed the Bowe fight which he had the right to press but opted not to and took money to be quiet.

Bowe could've fought Lewis in 93 but didn't.

Lewis could've fought Bowe in 95 but got himself KOd by McCall in 94.

Lewis again could've fought Bowe for big bucks in 96, on HBO, instead of Bowe v Golota 1, but he declined to everybody's puzzlement.

It really helps if you were following the sport at the time, or at very least do your research before disparaging fighters.

Bowe was REQUIRED to fight Lewis in 93 but didn't. There's no way to spin that. 95 and 96 are irrelevant; I'm concerned with when Bowe was the heavyweight champion.

[Rover]

No, there was never any explanation to why the 96 fight didn't happen. Bowe had just KOd Holyfield, the media recognised him as the best in the world, no one respected Don King's paper champs, Lewis was offered a lucrative big money fight vs Bowe on HBO but he didn't fancy it - for whatever reason. Bowe instead fought Golota and Lewis fought Mercer.

Despite what "the media" said, that has nothing to do with 1993 when the fight would've been much more significant, as it'd have been for the undisputed heavyweight championship. Bowe was required to fight Lewis. Instead, he threw the belt in the garbage and fought Michael Dokes. And yes, I was following the sport at the time.