Floyd Patterson vs Corrie Sanders

[BoxBuzz]

TGJL.....why are you questioning authority?

To what possible end?

[The Great John L]

TGJL.....why are you questioning authority?

To what possible end?

Good point.

Thanks for brining me back to reality.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The two positions seem very entrenched now. Its getting boring and circular. I do recall watching Patterson getting bounced all over the place by Ali, who although clearly great wasn't a big puncher. With a peak Sanders - and granted it would have to be the peak version, conditioned for 12 good rounds - I personally would be surprised if Floyd managed to survive the early rounds.

Sanders was never conditioned for 12 rounds, not once in his career. I'm all good with taking a fighter at his best, like Bowe in the first Holyfield fight. Mythical fights certainly aren't about resume. But you can't just invent traits that were nonexistent.

I would suggest that Sanders was very well conditioned in some of his earlier, less well known fights such as against Johnny Du Plooy back in 1991. He had a long amateur and pro career. In all likelihood his peak was years before the upset of the younger Klitschko.

I got the impression Lennox Lewis had quite a bit of respect for Corrie, and although its generally not recognised I think he gave the big South African a slight swerve. It no doubt helped that Corrie's credibility never recovered from that Nate Tubbs upset, and pundits were inclined not to think too highly of his abilities. Potentially he was in fact the best heavyweight puncher of his generation.

He was a 6 round fighter in his best condition. At the kind of pace that Patterson fought at he would probably be gassed after 2 rounds.

[BoxBuzz]

That Sanders was an "athlete amoung boxers" deserves scrutiny.

It just stretches all credibility.

[dempseyfire]

[quote="polecateddy"

What can I say to that? Your right! It's elementary. Thanks for all the fish!

I can now be done with the burden of thinkin' and puzzlin' over this stuff. Now that you're here, I'm just gonna bask in your light for a while, maybe get a tan and enjoy the cool breeze of knowledge blowing in every time you log on.

Can't wait for the next lesson son!

Once you work out the final clumsy kinks of your "unified theory" (which I assume will provide clear answers to all boxing questions, both big and small,) we won't need the akashic record any longer! We can just have us a book burnin' party!

Please forgive me if I chime in now and again, just to "sense the resonance" regarding the fundamental powerful undertow of clarity that you are willing to provide the rest of us!
If you ask me, you are worth perhaps twice (and then some) what you are being paid to provide this enlightenment!

The two positions seem very entrenched now. Its getting boring and circular. I do recall watching Patterson getting bounced all over the place by Ali, who although clearly great wasn't a big puncher. With a peak Sanders - and granted it would have to be the peak version, conditioned for 12 good rounds - I personally would be surprised if Floyd managed to survive the early rounds.

Sanders was never conditioned for 12 rounds, not once in his career. I'm all good with taking a fighter at his best, like Bowe in the first Holyfield fight. Mythical fights certainly aren't about resume. But you can't just invent traits that were nonexistent.

I would suggest that Sanders was very well conditioned in some of his earlier, less well known fights such as against Johnny Du Plooy back in 1991. He had a long amateur and pro career. In all likelihood his peak was years before the upset of the younger Klitschko.

I got the impression Lennox Lewis had quite a bit of respect for Corrie, and although its generally not recognised I think he gave the big South African a slight swerve. It no doubt helped that Corrie's credibility never recovered from that Nate Tubbs upset, and pundits were inclined not to think too highly of his abilities. Potentially he was in fact the best heavyweight puncher of his generation.[/quote]

My goodness the exaggerations never end. If Sanders could only stun Rahman and get a flash KD on him, than what was Oleg Maskaev . . the greatest puncher ever??

Sanders had power but I've talked to guys who've sparred him they said his speed was what stunned you more and that many HWs punched harder. You can see this in his actual fights . . again, very few one punch KOs; practically all accumulation TKOs. To claim he was a bigger puncher than say a David Tua (or Lennox Lewis) is ridiculous.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

One thing Rahman was, , is a much better conditioned Heavyweight than Corrie Sanders. Bigger puncher and more heart too.

[BoxBuzz]

I didn't see a single reference to any geographic location. What's up with that foxy?

This forum once had a very interesting debate on what effect (or affect if you will) altitude has on fighters.

Are you now going to tutor us all on the influence that latitudes and longitudes have on a fighters performance?

[polecateddy]

One thing Rahman was, , is a much better conditioned Heavyweight than Corrie Sanders. Bigger puncher and more heart too.

Yes I'm sure Rahman could have beaten Wlad in 2 rounds. That wasn't a wear them down job was it!? I suppose instead of trying to argue that Corrie was a better puncher than David Tua, which technically I suppose he might not be, what might be a better argument would be that he was a better effective power puncher, in that he had to reach, speed and skill to land devasting punches on someone as talented and big as Wlad, whereas your Rahmans and Tuas wouldn't get close and are boxed to stand stills.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

One thing Rahman was, , is a much better conditioned Heavyweight than Corrie Sanders. Bigger puncher and more heart too.

Yes I'm sure Rahman could have beaten Wlad in 2 rounds. That wasn't a wear them down job was it!? I suppose instead of trying to argue that Corrie was a better puncher than David Tua, which technically I suppose he might not be, what might be a better argument would be that he was a better effective power puncher, in that he had to reach, speed and skill to land devasting punches on someone as talented and big as Wlad, whereas your Rahmans and Tuas wouldn't get close and are boxed to stand stills.

Wear them down job? What in the world are you talking about?

Rahman stopped Lennox Lewis with one punch, that's more impressive than stopping Wlad with 50.

As for reach, Rahman had incredibly long arms. I'd be shocked if they weren't significantly longer than Sanders.

I'm not sure what Tua has to do anything. But Hasim schooled him twice and stopped Sanders. No mystery who the better of those three was.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I didn't see a single reference to any geographic location. What's up with that foxy?

This forum once had a very interesting debate on what effect (or affect if you will) altitude has on fighters.

Are you now going to tutor us all on the influence that latitudes and longitudes have on a fighters performance?

He's a troll, nothing more to it.

[loaded_gloves]

What's this weird misinformation in this thread about a 197lb Leon Spinks beating a 6'3' 1/2" 225lb Muhammad Ali? I've got it on good authority that that cannot and does not happen in boxing.

Spinks wouldn't have been able to handle the sheer size & strength of the bigger man - particularly given his less than stellar chin.

Can you imagine if it had been a physical or grueling fight? Given the height, reach and size advantage I see Ali swatting the fly-like and pathetic Spinks in a few rounds. That's how boxing works you retards.

USA! USA! USA!

[polecateddy]

I'll leave you Rahman fans to it. Lol Clearly you don't have a clue.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, just tied down with those bothersome facts.

[chucktaylor]

I like fantasy matchups, but this thread is out of control. Just make your pick with a short reasoning and be done. Arguing so vehemently and gathering "evidence" to gain some perceived advantage in an argument that will never be resolved is ridiculous.

I'll take Patterson in this one. I like his superior speed, movement and defense. Sanders would have a chance due to his solid power and explosiveness (Patterson was even more explosive), but I think he would more likely get out-boxed and outworked.

[BoxBuzz]

Chuck, your sensibility is clear. Just prepare for blow back from those who do not drink from the well of reason.

[MEISINGER]

Chuck, your sensibility is clear. Just prepare for blow back from those who do not drink from the well of reason.

drink from the well of reason?
on this forum?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I didn't see a single reference to any geographic location. What's up with that foxy?

This forum once had a very interesting debate on what effect (or affect if you will) altitude has on fighters.

Are you now going to tutor us all on the influence that latitudes and longitudes have on a fighters performance?

He's a troll, nothing more to it.

Stop stalking me you pathetic little man.

I have zero interest in your worthless opinions on boxing which is why I don't bother getting involved with them. Try to have the common decency to do the same as I dislike arrogant, nationalistic fools, such as you communicating with me either directly, or indirectly.

Case in point.

[BoxBuzz]

Foxy. Honestly you are on your own with the nationalism nonsense. No one but you has gone there. You may be the only one who does not recognize it's irrelevance. Let it go.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Foxy. Honestly you are on your own with the nationalism nonsense. No one but you has gone there. You may be the only one who does not recognize it's irrelevance. Let it go.

Surprisingly, Lennox Lewis is unbeatable to him.

[desperados]

The troll has had his ass handed to him by Desperados and is out for the count.

so until your next account,

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Anybody watching Steve Cunningham kick Tyson Fury's ass? I am, and since I'm not a moron that thinks size is everything I stand to win a lot of money.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[polecateddy]

Anybody watching Steve Cunningham kick Tyson Fury's ass? I am, and since I'm not a moron that thinks size is everything I stand to win a lot of money.

You lost me at 'I'm not a moron.'

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Anybody watching Steve Cunningham kick Tyson Fury's ass? I am, and since I'm not a moron that thinks size is everything I stand to win a lot of money.

You lost me at 'I'm not a moron.'

[polecateddy]

Anybody watching Steve Cunningham kick Tyson Fury's ass? I am, and since I'm not a moron that thinks size is everything I stand to win a lot of money.

You lost me at 'I'm not a moron.'

Nope still here! :)