WBC condemns AIBA and challenges IOC

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

HE WORLD BOXING COUNCIL STRONGLY OBJECTS TO THE STEPS TAKEN BY AIBA/WSB TO TAKE OVER PRO' BOXING. THE WBC IS NOT AN ORGANISATION THAT SEEKS CHEAP PUBLICITY AND BOXINGACTION IS ABLE TO REVEAL THEY HAVE A TEAM OF LAWYERS AT THE READY TO ENSURE WORLDWIDE BOXING AND BOXERS ARE NOT CAUSED HARM DUE TO ILL THOUGHT-OUT DESIGNS THAT COULD CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE TO BOXING.

http://boxingaction.com/index.php/promo ... now-on-ioc

[mike222]

Interesting

[scallum]

Very interesting, I hate to say this but wbc has valid point

[ReggieDiggs]

THE WBC IS NOT AN ORGANISATION THAT SEEKS CHEAP PUBLICITY

ABC orgs can all kiss my ass. I can't see AIBA f#cking up pro boxing anymore than the ABC orgs have.

[gilgamesh]

From what I can tell AIBA is making boxing better, all you guys that are screaming bloody murder about guys not wearing headgear anymore...are you sure you don't want to watch synchronized swimming or something instead? Maybe this sports too rough for you.

[JMac]

THE WBC IS NOT AN ORGANISATION THAT SEEKS CHEAP PUBLICITY

ABC orgs can all kiss my ass. I can't see AIBA f#cking up pro boxing anymore than the ABC orgs have.

Agreed.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

From what I can tell AIBA is making boxing better, all you guys that are screaming bloody murder about guys not wearing headgear anymore...are you sure you don't want to watch synchronized swimming or something instead? Maybe this sports too rough for you.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs/101 ... -the-sport

[gilgamesh]

From what I can tell AIBA is making boxing better, all you guys that are screaming bloody murder about guys not wearing headgear anymore...are you sure you don't want to watch synchronized swimming or something instead? Maybe this sports too rough for you.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs/101 ... -the-sport

Severe injuries happen man, it comes with the territory when people get into a violent sport like Boxing. As I've said, and will say again. I've fought an amateur fight and wore headgear in the gym and all that...I hate headgear and would prefer not to wear it, it's uncomfortable, makes your head hot, makes it easier to get hit in the side of the head because you don't see the punch coming as well. Personally I think the "No Headgear" with amateurs thing should probably be saved only for the Olympic Games, but if they're going to do it at the World Cups as well...hey I mean...I'd rather watch it that way. When I'm watching guys fighting with headgear on, it brings down the significance and excitement of the bout to me severely.

Boxing's a risky sport, guys know that coming in. Nobody wants anybody to be seriously hurt obviously...but that's the risk you take when you're chasing glory in the ring.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Under threat of legal action IOC appear to be re-thinking their position regarding professionals boxing at Olympics.

http://boxingaction.com/index.php

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

makes your head hot, makes it easier to get hit in the side of the head because you don't see the punch coming as well.

So every professional you see weearing them in sparring is half blind for weeks? D

If you can't see the punches coming i'd work on your defence or get your eyes tested. ;;-)

[scallum]

Of course boxing without headgear is much more dangerous, just look at the # of Unfortunate deaths in boxing without headgear. There are probally 100 times more deaths in boxing without headgear compared to boxing with headgear.

[T Duquette]

Gilgamesh is an annoying troll. I saw him on facebook last week spewing the same bogus rhetoric. Do us all a favor and take all of this perspective you've gained from your 1-bout experience somewhere else. You don't know what you're talking about and you are getting in the way of an important discussion.

Go kick rocks!

[Zelley]

The WBC yapping about other organization getting involved in pro boxing
is somewhat of a joke. But, at the same time we have them getting
involved in amateur boxing through all sorts of non-AIBA sanctioned bodies.

So, the horse laugh needs to be focused on those groups that spend so much
time bashing others while expanding their reach into amateur boxing. Before,
the decision makers at the International level or you local yokel alternative
group "leaders" start spreading the fertilizer and slinging mud in all direction
they need to look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at that image in the
mirror.

And, the WBC local group in British Columbia has had a field day spraying
freshly treated fertilizer and tossing mud at the Provincial association and
Boxing Canada. They are pumping up their own self-importance, but that
importance appears to be a little extreme.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

The WBC yapping about other organization getting involved in pro boxing
is somewhat of a joke. But, at the same time we have them getting
involved in amateur boxing through all sorts of non-AIBA sanctioned bodies.

So, the horse laugh needs to be focused on those groups that spend so much
time bashing others while expanding their reach into amateur boxing. Before,
the decision makers at the International level or you local yokel alternative
group "leaders" start spreading the fertilizer and slinging mud in all direction
they need to look in the mirror and start pointing fingers at that image in the
mirror.

And, the WBC local group in British Columbia has had a field day spraying
freshly treated fertilizer and tossing mud at the Provincial association and
Boxing Canada. They are pumping up their own self-importance, but that
importance appears to be a little extreme.

So you approve of the removal of the word 'amateur' and the fact that amongst others, boxers from small African nations are not afforded the same entitlement to participate in Olympic qualification tournaments Zelley, unless of course, they sign up to APB, AIBA's professional offer...?

Here's the latest...

Stephen Hornsby, a specialist in Competition and Sport Law, and partner at Goodman Derrick LLP, a respected leading London law firm, was asked by Sportcal the Swiss sports magazine to review the claim reinforced in a statement by Dr. Jose Sulaiman, on behalf of WBC, that AIBA/WSB had violated the law on Restrictive Trade and Anti-Monopoly legislation.

Mr. Hornsby gave the unequivocal answer: “I agree completely with WBC. The IOC is at fault here for only allowing access to the Olympics to AIBA boxers. This monopoly allows AIBA leverage to drive WBC out of business by this extension of its remit.

“Legal action must be inevitable and ought to succeed.”

[gilgamesh]

Gilgamesh is an annoying troll. I saw him on facebook last week spewing the same bogus rhetoric. Do us all a favor and take all of this perspective you've gained from your 1-bout experience somewhere else. You don't know what you're talking about and you are getting in the way of an important discussion.

Go kick rocks!

You didn't see me on Facebook, I don't have a facebook account. Also you can kiss my ass

[yu265545]

Here is the response from the IOC - basically they are telling the WBC and other sanctioning bodies to go F#@ themselves.

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Let ... 202013.pdf

I have to believe there will be a lawsuit (perhaps many) by current professional boxers not under the AIBA banner who want to fight in the olympics. I don't see how the IOC can dictate that only professional boxers who sign away their careers with AIBA have an opportunity to box in the olympics. That is the equivalent of dictating that only euroleague basketballers can play in the olympics and not the NBA players.

[ReggieDiggs]

Here is the response from the IOC - basically they are telling the WBC and other sanctioning bodies to go F#@ themselves.

I wish more people involved in pro boxing today would tell the abc orgs this. The boxing landscape would be much better off.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Here is the response from the IOC - basically they are telling the WBC and other sanctioning bodies to go F#@ themselves.

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/Let ... 202013.pdf

I have to believe there will be a lawsuit (perhaps many) by current professional boxers not under the AIBA banner who want to fight in the olympics. I don't see how the IOC can dictate that only professional boxers who sign away their careers with AIBA have an opportunity to box in the olympics. That is the equivalent of dictating that only euroleague basketballers can play in the olympics and not the NBA players.

The letter has some technical failings.

The WBC are challenging the IOC, AIBA is merely a conduit for the restraint of trade issue which, at this stage, the IOC can readily say they are distant from as no qualification criteria has been set for the Rio Olympics. In other words it's not an issue until it actually happens.

If AIBA continue down this path with the IOC's backing then legal opinion is that they'll be in an unwinnable situation.

[JMac]

Here is the latest claim by the WBC. I'm not so sure what AIBA is doing is a good thing but I really can't stand all of the ABC's and how they have ruined pro boxing so I am getting a kick out the alphabets getting worried because they should as their little corrupt world may be coming to an end in due time.

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wbc-thr ... ore-196138

[yu265545]

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Here is the latest claim by the WBC. I'm not so sure what AIBA is doing is a good thing but I really can't stand all of the ABC's and how they have ruined pro boxing so I am getting a kick out the alphabets getting worried because they should as their little corrupt world may be coming to an end in due time.

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wbc-thr ... ore-196138

[ReggieDiggs]

I really can't stand all of the ABC's and how they have ruined pro boxing so I am getting a kick out the alphabets getting worried because they should as their little corrupt world may be coming to an end in due time.

Yep. I'm pro-monopoly in pro boxing so good luck to AIBA at overtaking the abc orgs. No one gives enough of a f#ck about amateur boxing being a monopoly I would think, but it seems like other "amateur" sports have similar orgs who control particular sports so idk why anyone, a pro abc org at that, would give a f#ck about it (well I do, but no honest for the good of boxing reason is what I mean). Boxing doesn't seem to give a f#ck about a boxer for the most part til he's a champion these days so who cares if a guy fights in this AIBA league for awhile.

I see more evenly matched fights for these guys in the AIBA league to & who doesn't wanna see more evenly matched fights? With all this cats money he should be able to buy "justice" in the court regardless if he's legally wrong & overall AIBA getting its foot in pro boxing can't f#ck things up worse than all these weight divisions & all these abc champions have. They can only help if they are able to gain a foothold in the sport & gain popularity. AIBA getting into pro boxing is about the only white knight boxing fans can root for these days to change the status quo that has been going on for far too long. Unless Bill Gates gets possessed by the ghost of Manny Steward I think boxing fans are f#cked if AIBA falls.

[ReggieDiggs]

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Isn't it guys with only 15 or less pro fights who can do it? A cat with 15 pro fights has only fought a bunch of barely breathing mfers usually so who cares. He spends two years (iirc thats the length of time AIBA is asking them to stick with them) in AIBA than he can go back to the pros. For most of the guys who do this I'm assuming the upside of being with AIBA is going to be far more secure than being in pro boxing so they might welcome a regular paycheck unlike in pro boxing.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Isn't it guys with only 15 or less pro fights who can do it? A cat with 15 pro fights has only fought a bunch of barely breathing mfers usually so who cares. He spends two years (iirc thats the length of time AIBA is asking them to stick with them) in AIBA than he can go back to the pros. For most of the guys who do this I'm assuming the upside of being with AIBA is going to be far more secure than being in pro boxing so they might welcome a regular paycheck unlike in pro boxing.

You misunderstand. AIBA want to control all world boxing. Going 'back to the pros' may not be an option.

[scallum]

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Isn't it guys with only 15 or less pro fights who can do it? A cat with 15 pro fights has only fought a bunch of barely breathing mfers usually so who cares. He spends two years (iirc thats the length of time AIBA is asking them to stick with them) in AIBA than he can go back to the pros. For most of the guys who do this I'm assuming the upside of being with AIBA is going to be far more secure than being in pro boxing so they might welcome a regular paycheck unlike in pro boxing.

Aiba can make exceptions on a case by case basis, they are considering allowing Klitschko chance to box in 2016. What makes these guys any better or worse than the wbc,Wba,ibf,wbo?

[yu265545]

The issue is not whether AIBA is better than the WBC, IBF, etc. They might very well be better. The issue is that they are unfairly using their monopoly over the olympics to sign fighters over to their pro-league. If AIBA wanted to offer fighters more cash than modern day promoters then bless them - the free market rules.

According to these quotes from AIBA, Klitschko would have to sign with their professional league just to have a chance at the Olympics. How long would he have to sign for? How much money would AIBA make off him by his exclusive contract to their pro-league.


"AIBA has taken note of Wladimir Klitschko's comments about his dream to compete in the Rio 2016 Olympic Games," said an AIBA statement.

"As the boxer will just turn 40 a few weeks before these Games, he will still be eligible as elite men boxer, based on AIBA's rules.

"That said Mr Klitschko will still have to meet a number of other eligibility criteria.

"First of all he will need to be member of an AIBA National Federation.

"Then he will have to join AIBA Pro Boxing (APB) as soon as possible in order to compete in the new AIBA competition programme from its beginning and therefore have a chance to participate in the APB Olympic Qualifying Events in 2015.

Here is the link: http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... t-rio-2016

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Isn't it guys with only 15 or less pro fights who can do it? A cat with 15 pro fights has only fought a bunch of barely breathing mfers usually so who cares. He spends two years (iirc thats the length of time AIBA is asking them to stick with them) in AIBA than he can go back to the pros. For most of the guys who do this I'm assuming the upside of being with AIBA is going to be far more secure than being in pro boxing so they might welcome a regular paycheck unlike in pro boxing.

Aiba can make exceptions on a case by case basis, they are considering allowing Klitschko chance to box in 2016. What makes these guys any better or worse than the wbc,Wba,ibf,wbo?