Better than no reasoning at all...loaded_gloves wrote:What incredibly flawed reasoning you're employing.Ezzard wrote:So comparable to Carl Williams, Marvis Frazier, Berbick, Tubbs, Spinks...
So, Smokin' Joe Frazier is comparable to Ted Gullick and Miguel Paez because George Foreman KOd them all in two rounds?
For a user who has adopted the name 'Ezzard' you seem to have incredibly naive views on boxing.
Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Not all that long.Ezzard wrote:How long does Povetkin last against Tyson?
My main belief about the fight's being somewhat competitive with Tucker is that prime Povetkin was a busy fighter (not so much anymore) and could snatch some rounds that way.
8-4 Tony for me, though in Germany, anything's possible.
Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
I wouldn’t argue with that.Rover wrote:Not all that long.Ezzard wrote:How long does Povetkin last against Tyson?
My main belief about the fight's being somewhat competitive with Tucker is that prime Povetkin was a busy fighter (not so much anymore) and could snatch some rounds that way.
8-4 Tony for me, though in Germany, anything's possible.
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dempseyfire
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
I remember watching this fight on video years back, hearing that Norris was "robbed" and expecting to see a poor decision but I didn't see it. From what I recall, Tucker outworked him the majority of the fight and landed more punches. I think Norris got a little too much credit from some for each shot landed since he was the underdog and so much shorter than Tucker,The Great John L wrote:I attended his fight against Orlin Norris, and there is no way he deserved that decision. I still think he was a pretty talented guy, he just didn't seem to get in the ring with enough of the top HWs of time, which means his management team probably wasn't particularly confident.Ezzard wrote:It wasn't that long ago I read about people laughing at Tucker and the problems he had with James Broad.
Ditto - Greg Page. Neither of them were prepared to take on Frazier...not referring to Joe...
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The Great John L
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
No I think that Norris didn't get crdiet for not getting hit. The 5-10 Norris constantly out-jabbed and countered him while Tucker mostly hit air and gloves. It was a very unpopular decision with the crowd. I have never re-watched it so it's possible that it looked different to the cameras, but I doubt there were many in attendance that saw it any differently than I did. It was similar to Cunningham-Adamek, with Tucker landing less shots than Adamek did.dempseyfire wrote:I remember watching this fight on video years back, hearing that Norris was "robbed" and expecting to see a poor decision but I didn't see it. From what I recall, Tucker outworked him the majority of the fight and landed more punches. I think Norris got a little too much credit from some for each shot landed since he was the underdog and so much shorter than Tucker,The Great John L wrote:I attended his fight against Orlin Norris, and there is no way he deserved that decision. I still think he was a pretty talented guy, he just didn't seem to get in the ring with enough of the top HWs of time, which means his management team probably wasn't particularly confident.Ezzard wrote:It wasn't that long ago I read about people laughing at Tucker and the problems he had with James Broad.
Ditto - Greg Page. Neither of them were prepared to take on Frazier...not referring to Joe...
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loaded_gloves
- Cruiserweight
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
It is regarded as a controversial decision - and especially was at the time. Tucker's punches landed on gloves, and Norris boxed beautifully. Probably his best performance.
It's a shame how obscure Orlin Norris is - most people think of him as a cruiserweight champ who moved up to heavyweight and didn't do that well. He had this original run at heavyweight, in his youth, where he outfoxed Tony Tucker, Greg Page, Oliver McCall, Renaldo Snipes, the giant Larry Alexander and a bunch of good California heavyweights... that is a nice record indeed.
It's a shame how obscure Orlin Norris is - most people think of him as a cruiserweight champ who moved up to heavyweight and didn't do that well. He had this original run at heavyweight, in his youth, where he outfoxed Tony Tucker, Greg Page, Oliver McCall, Renaldo Snipes, the giant Larry Alexander and a bunch of good California heavyweights... that is a nice record indeed.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Povetkin is really awful. If Tucker is sleepwalking he could take a decision. I always take these fights as guys at their best. If that's the case Alexander gets his ass whipped. Orlin Norris would thump him too.
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The Great John L
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
A prime Norris would beat just about every HW not named Klitschko.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Povetkin is really awful. If Tucker is sleepwalking he could take a decision. I always take these fights as guys at their best. If that's the case Alexander gets his ass whipped. Orlin Norris would thump him too.
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SaadOffTheDeck
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Norris/Haye would be awesome.
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loaded_gloves
- Cruiserweight
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
I'm glad there are some Norris admirers here. I agree his skill & knowhow makes easy work of our current crop of contenders.
Re Klitschko brothers, the young, strong, ambitious and prime Norris who was handling 6'5' guys should not be confused with the old and demoralised Norris who showed up against Vitali.
Re Klitschko brothers, the young, strong, ambitious and prime Norris who was handling 6'5' guys should not be confused with the old and demoralised Norris who showed up against Vitali.
Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
Orlin was a cutie who was on a great run in the early part of his career until her ran into Tony Tubbs.. he was a true example of the need for a higher weight limit to the cruiserweight division. If the division's weight limit had been 200 when Orlin went down, Norris would have lasted much longer... his loss to Miller was more of a result of weight difficulties.... loved Orlin Norris as well as Tucker.. it was hard to root for a winner when they fought
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loaded_gloves
- Cruiserweight
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Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
I think Orlin should never have moved down. The Tucker fight gave him some high profile notoriety. He should've stayed up there, he would have got his turn.
As it was, 190 must have been brutal for a man with his chunky frame.
As it was, 190 must have been brutal for a man with his chunky frame.
Re: Povetkin v. Tony Tucker.
I really liked him at cruiser.jont wrote:Orlin was a cutie who was on a great run in the early part of his career until her ran into Tony Tubbs.. he was a true example of the need for a higher weight limit to the cruiserweight division. If the division's weight limit had been 200 when Orlin went down, Norris would have lasted much longer... his loss to Miller was more of a result of weight difficulties.... loved Orlin Norris as well as Tucker.. it was hard to root for a winner when they fought
The first Williams fight was superb.