Canelo/Trout and undercard RBR.

[Horse]

Canelo throwing 6 punches per round 'cos he knew Christodoulou wouldn't score against him.

Yeah, Alvarez came across as arrogant. He knew he didn't have to do much to get the decision, this fight has put me off him.

[ReggieDiggs]

Is it anymore clear than tonight that open scoring needs to get bombed by a terrorist?

It made both fighters fight like crap and hurt Trout more.

I'd say the judges scores hurt open scoring more than open scoring hurt the fight. If we could get some non-bs judges the open scoring for this fight woulda made the fight more intense at the end. Imho the fighters deserve to know where they stand before the final bell so I'm pro open scoring in one form or another.

[crusader]

Is it anymore clear than tonight that open scoring needs to get bombed by a terrorist?

It made both fighters fight like crap and hurt Trout more.

I'd say the judges scores hurt open scoring more than open scoring hurt the fight. If we could get some non-bs judges the open scoring for this fight woulda made the fight more intense at the end. Imho the fighters deserve to know where they stand before the final bell so I'm pro open scoring in one form or another.

See my reply to you here:http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... &start=100

[Blodhemn]

Completely agree with that rebuttal.

[gilgamesh]

116-111 for Alvarez.

I think you were enjoying 420 day a bit too much to come up with that score D.

[gilgamesh]

116-111 for Alvarez.

I think you were enjoying 420 day a bit too much to come up with that score D.

Eff you, I watched the fight. Alvarez was avoiding a lot of Trout's punches, and he clearly won several rounds by hurting Trout, who was landing pitty patter punches the entire fight.

Fair enough D...I feel like 116-111 Trout would've been more reasonable than 116-111 Alvarez though. 114-113 Alvarez is the best case scenario I can see in Canelo's favor. Just my opinion though, you're entitled to yours as well.

[gilgamesh]

I thought most of the rounds were really close.

There were several close rounds, no doubt about that.

[marcianofan]

I had it for Trout, 115-112...

Thought he controlled the fight for the most part and dictated how Canelo fought.... Outside of the KD Canelo landed hardest and cleanest when he was countering off the ropes with Trout trying to apply too much pressure, rest of the time Canelo looked kinda confusd on the outside winging wild right hands. Even when Canelo put him down and Trouts legs looked like rubber, Canelo didn't have the ability to step on it and put him away, and Trout came back and took round 8 straight after the KD. Usually when you see a clean knockdown in a close fight you'd expect to see a momentum change, but that just didn't happen.

Obviously closer than I thought since so many had it for Canelo and some had it wide for him, so I'll give it a rewatch tomorrow. Decent fight, shame Trout doesn't have more of a dig.

I saw it exactly the same as you. I don't think you'll see it much different on the rewatch. The fact is I know I gave Trout every swing round to get to 115-112, but I think that any shrewd judge would recognize that- although there were enough close rounds to make it as wide as 116-111 Canelo if you really wanted to- all of those swing rounds were just about even on clean effective punching, while Trout had a wide margin in ring generalship and effective aggressiveness, as you eluded to in other terms. I've seldom felt so strongly that a guy won the fight when there were that many close rounds. I think a boxing fan doing his best to score it could see it going either way, but I think a good, objective, well-trained judge, fully concentrated, and doing his best would likely score it for Trout 10 times out of 10. Do I think it's a blatant robbery? No. But I think it's an example of judges getting influenced by the crowd to the point where they forgot the judging criteria that didn't support the crowd favorite.

[marcianofan]

Regarding open scoring:
As someone who obsessively scores every fight I can get my hands on, I am disgusted and a little confused by it in terms of how it makes me look at the fight. I like to be able to see what the two fighters do in the fight and judge them based on their natural performance. In this case, with them making Trout look for a knockout late even though he was comfortably ahead in my opinion by all rights, it adds another layer that I don't like. I had it for Trout by 3 and gave him one of the rounds after he knew the score, so in this case it's pretty easy for me to say that Trout won the fight regardless of the way the score may have messed with way the fighters approached the last 3 rounds. But if I'd had it for Trout by one, then it wouldn't really be fair to Canelo because he naturally wouldn't go all out in round 12 based on the score knowing he had it wrapped up. I think open scoring gives bad judges the additional power of a bad corner man. Not only did those judges screw up the outcome of the fight, but they also screwed up our ability to debate and analyze that outcome clearly- or at least they could have. I can't remember the last major Texas fight I didn't end up being pissed off about, and this can only make it worse.

[ABC BOXING]

OPEN SCORING IS BAD EVEN IN AMATEUR FIGHTS AS FIGHTERS AHEAD JUST STOP FIGHTING AND JUST AVOID CONFRONTING OPPONANT. YOU SEE THIS ESPECIALLY AT THE OLYMPICS. IF OPEN SCORING CONTINUES IT SHOULD BE ANNOUNCED AFTER EVERY ROUND INCLUDING THE FIRST RD. WHICH COULD CAUSE BETTER ACTION FROM THE START. OPEN SCORING BEING ANOUNCED AFTER 8 RDS JUST KILLS THE ACTION.

[dajuggernaut]

Told you so

[TheWigwam]

Bit late but 114-114, was actually impressed with Canelo