Corrie Sanders v Michael Moorer

[polecateddy]

Holyfield is more likely to stop a good fighter than Corrie Sanders is, by a significant margin. That isn't hypothetical, it's factual. I'm really not concerned with your level of power. One guy is an underrated puncher and the other is overrated, their skill levels aren't in the same universe so it's really irrelevant.

Yes, Corrie was a fat golfer who has somehow morphed into a murderous devastation machine in this forum because he iced a fighter that many others would too.

And if you want to toss around insults about intellect, try and master the art of quoting that a 3 year old would get in a few seconds.

You're obviously an idiot. I never said Sanders would beat Holyfield, you'd have to be a big optimist to expect Corrie to get an early round win against such a tough nut. I only ever said Sanders would have a great chance of taking Moorer out of the fight early. A good chance, not a definite. I also stand by the idea that neither Moorer or Holyfield were big punchers. Holyfield had a sharp left hook and obviously a great engine. He would have troubled any heavyweight in history for sure.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Holyfield is more likely to stop a good fighter than Corrie Sanders is, by a significant margin. That isn't hypothetical, it's factual. I'm really not concerned with your level of power. One guy is an underrated puncher and the other is overrated, their skill levels aren't in the same universe so it's really irrelevant.

Yes, Corrie was a fat golfer who has somehow morphed into a murderous devastation machine in this forum because he iced a fighter that many others would too.

And if you want to toss around insults about intellect, try and master the art of quoting that a 3 year old would get in a few seconds.

You're obviously an idiot. I never said Sanders would beat Holyfield, you'd have to be a big optimist to expect Corrie to get an early round win against such a tough nut. I only ever said Sanders would have a great chance of taking Moorer out of the fight early. A good chance, not a definite. I also stand by the idea that neither Moorer or Holyfield were big punchers. Holyfield had a sharp left hook and obviously a great engine. He would have troubled any heavyweight in history for sure.

Your grasp on reality appears to slip by the second. My post didn't have a thing to do with Holyfield fighting Sanders. Evander was the much more dangerous fighter for others to face. It's better to just shut your pie hole when you know you're wrong than to transparently offer a weak insult and change the topic.

[loaded_gloves]

Polecateddy, you can't deny that you're being a troll whilst resorting to playground namecalling.

To watch Moorer of Holyfield I & II, Stewart, Cooper, Jirov, Foreman and numerous other fights and not be able to see that the man is seriously heavy handed is to me mystifying. I wonder what you're watching. It seems you need a man to come out swinging wildly, chin up hands down, smoking unrated journeymen in 1 rd one after another, as Corrie Sanders spent his career doing, in order for you to perceive that a man has power. Strange.

Manny Steward, in 1998 and long after he fell out bitterly with Michael Moorer, still conceded that MM was along with Lennox Lewis one of the few genuine, bonafide born punchers in the heavyweight division at that time. That he started as a light heavyweight is immaterial. Check out his frame. He is a big man and if you have power you have power.

As for Holyfield's power, probably Sanders has better one-shot power, but there's so many other variables involved in a fight. Can you ever see Corrie Sanders knocking down a prime Ray Mercer as Holyfield did? Riddick Bowe? Can you see him knocking down and stopping Mike Tyson? Lifting a 260lb George Foreman off his feet? He even knocked down a fired up Bert Cooper in 60 seconds, whereas it took Corrie several rds to deck a disinterested Cooper. Since he doesn't have Sanders punch power and yet is knocking down A+ chins, what does that tell you? What do you think it is he's doing?

So whilst Moorer hit the deck five times against Holyfield in the rematch, that was against a cunning operator who, if you made a mistake, was going to hurt you. Holyfield has a boxing IQ Sanders doesn't possess, among everything else, so he really shouldn't be used as evidence supporting a Corrie Sanders win. It's kind of insulting really.

[polecateddy]

It's not hard to look at Moorer's career and see he in the main avoided big punchers and big heavyweights. He certainly was never seen as a credible challenger to Lennox Lewis as it would be seen as a complete mismatch. When Moorer did face big punchers he was generally either stopped or knocked down. As a general observation, is the USA scene so bereft of talent these days that suspect heavies of the recent past are getting magically reavaluated? First Rahman and now Moorer getting the big love on this forum lately. Lol

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not hard to look at Moorer's career and see he in the main avoided big punchers and big heavyweights. He certainly was never seen as a credible challenger to Lennox Lewis as it would be seen as a complete mismatch. When Moorer did face big punchers he was generally either stopped or knocked down. As a general observation, is the USA scene so bereft of talent these days that suspect heavies of the recent past are getting magically reavaluated? First Rahman and now Moorer getting the big love on this forum lately. Lol

Actually, the issue is that you consider Corrie Sanders to be such a world beater that calling Rahman & Moorer superior fighters is huge credit to them in your eyes. They are simply the facts, ma'am, just the facts.

I watched Moorer fight from the time he was a novice. You're seriously the first person I've ever encountered that doesn't recognize him as a puncher. Plenty of people underestimate Evander's pop, except for the people that fought him. Yet again you're way outside of Sanders level. I guess you are a troll, a real life Fat Golfer troll? I'm guessing you're so deeply in love with Wlad that sanders has to be awesome. Who would you take in Brewster/Frazier?

[polecateddy]

I'm not that bothered about Sanders. Really I'm just making a simple point that if he could turn out Wlad's lights in 2 rounds, then he would have had a very respectable chance of doing the same to weak-chinned Moorer. Granted if the fight progressed beyond the halfway point then it's equally likely Sander's would have gassed out.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Corrie's chin is weaker than Michael's and you're extremely bothered by Corrie. I doubt you have pants on.

[polecateddy]

Corrie's chin is weaker than Michael's and you're extremely bothered by Corrie. I doubt you have pants on.

I'm sorry I called you an idiot, you're clearly one of those intellectual rednecks :)

[BoxBuzz]

Saad, I must point out, that the state of affairs regarding one's trousers, is irrelevant to the discussion.

Please stay on topic when making your point. Not all of us can afford a fancy belt.

[Rover]

Polecateddy, you can't deny that you're being a troll whilst resorting to playground namecalling.

To watch Moorer of Holyfield I & II, Stewart, Cooper, Jirov, Foreman and numerous other fights and not be able to see that the man is seriously heavy handed is to me mystifying. I wonder what you're watching. It seems you need a man to come out swinging wildly, chin up hands down, smoking unrated journeymen in 1 rd one after another, as Corrie Sanders spent his career doing, in order for you to perceive that a man has power. Strange.

Manny Steward, in 1998 and long after he fell out bitterly with Michael Moorer, still conceded that MM was along with Lennox Lewis one of the few genuine, bonafide born punchers in the heavyweight division at that time. That he started as a light heavyweight is immaterial. Check out his frame. He is a big man and if you have power you have power.

As for Holyfield's power, probably Sanders has better one-shot power, but there's so many other variables involved in a fight. Can you ever see Corrie Sanders knocking down a prime Ray Mercer as Holyfield did? Riddick Bowe? Can you see him knocking down and stopping Mike Tyson? Lifting a 260lb George Foreman off his feet? He even knocked down a fired up Bert Cooper in 60 seconds, whereas it took Corrie several rds to deck a disinterested Cooper. Since he doesn't have Sanders punch power and yet is knocking down A+ chins, what does that tell you? What do you think it is he's doing?

So whilst Moorer hit the deck five times against Holyfield in the rematch, that was against a cunning operator who, if you made a mistake, was going to hurt you. Holyfield has a boxing IQ Sanders doesn't possess, among everything else, so he really shouldn't be used as evidence supporting a Corrie Sanders win. It's kind of insulting really.

Thorough refutation.
Well done.

[Rover]

It's not hard to look at Moorer's career and see he in the main avoided big punchers and big heavyweights. He certainly was never seen as a credible challenger to Lennox Lewis as it would be seen as a complete mismatch. When Moorer did face big punchers he was generally either stopped or knocked down. As a general observation, is the USA scene so bereft of talent these days that suspect heavies of the recent past are getting magically reavaluated? First Rahman and now Moorer getting the big love on this forum lately. Lol

Moorer/Lewis was certainly much discussed in 1994. Then McCall and Foreman happened.
Lewis won his belt back in early 1997 when MM was scheduled to fight Holyfield. He lost and took around 3 years off.
So your statement that Moorer was never considered a serious challenger to Lewis is perplexing because, while Lewis was king of the heavies, Moorer was either retired or coming back after around 3 years off and looking rather unimpressive, culminating in his demolition at the hands of Tua and his lacluster loss to Castillo.

[Rover]

Saad, I must point out, that the state of affairs regarding one's trousers, is irrelevant to the discussion.

Please stay on topic when making your point. Not all of us can afford a fancy belt.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Corrie's chin is weaker than Michael's and you're extremely bothered by Corrie. I doubt you have pants on.

I'm sorry I called you an idiot, you're clearly one of those intellectual rednecks :)

I'm neither, just a guy that obviously has watched a lot more Boxing than you have.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Saad, I must point out, that the state of affairs regarding one's trousers, is irrelevant to the discussion.

Please stay on topic when making your point. Not all of us can afford a fancy belt.

That's as relevant as comparing Corrie Sanders to Evander Holyfield. Where his belt is could be quite telling. If he's hanging from it the lack of oxygen could explain some of these posts.

[Brutu]

In the Spring of 1994 after he won the titles from Holyfied ,the original plans were for Michael Moorer
to defend the WBA/IBF titles for his first defense in the Fall either against
Corrie Sanders or Joe Hipp.
They opted for George Foreman that November instead(probably most likely $$$) and the rest as they say is history.
(Corrie Sanders was knocked out by Nate Tubbs a month after Moorer won the titles from Holyfield)
Im not sure why they didn't fight Joe Hipp instead.

[polecateddy]

There are titlists Corrie could of scalped along the way if he'd been given the opportunity. As well as Moorer, I'm thinking Hide, Bruce Seldon.

[Rover]

In the Spring of 1994 after he won the titles from Holyfied ,the original plans were for Michael Moorer
to defend the WBA/IBF titles for his first defense in the Fall either against
Corrie Sanders or Joe Hipp.
They opted for George Foreman that November instead(probably most likely $$$) and the rest as they say is history.
(Corrie Sanders was knocked out by Nate Tubbs a month after Moorer won the titles from Holyfield)
Im not sure why they didn't fight Joe Hipp instead.

The plans must've been made quickly after Moorer's win given how soon after Sanders lost.