Is there too much emphasis on trying to change Khan?

[lefty]

As others will of seen in other threads, I thought Khan fought a more patient, thoughtful fight but people were saying he's still to easy to hit, etc, which is true. Khan isnt a counter puncher though and I think there's only so much Hunter or any trainer can do with him! All boxers have their own ingrained boxing DNA/style and no matter how much anyone says to Khan you need to do this or that to avoid shots, he is who he is! For instance some of the best defensive boxers that come instantly to mind are Andre Ward, Guillermo Rigondeaux and Pernell Whitaker. Truely brilliant defensively! However thats how they've always been or were in Whitakers case! They have more advanced boxing IQ's than your average boxer and they're great at anticipating what the guy there fighting is going to do. That is just a natural gift in my opinion and the way guys like that think! I dont think you can teach that. Thats just my take on it though. Im curious to what others think regarding that?

[steelcity 65]

After watching khan last night I was left wondering where does he go from there. His change in style was plain to see, fencing off with his left hand more movement but was it a positive change as he looked so vunerable when he got caught. And hurt a few times.i thought he just about did enough to win but lets not foret who how old the opponent was and a lightweight x champ.glad he won to keep british boxing alive and he is a nice kid but he dont need to move to welter or he could get even more exposed.credit to the asian people who really got behind their man.he got a fantastic reception.

[lefty]

If Khan was a counter puncher, with his speed I think he'd be very hard to beat but because he leads whoever he's fighting is always looking to land a big counter shot and khan's chin just is dodgy no matter how you try and sugar coat it.

[Andypittcov]

Yes, False Expectations

[Horse]

Khan got to world title level with his old style. He didn't need to change.

[revporl]

I don't think it's his chin that is the problem. He copes as well as you'd expect when caught flush. What is worrying is the number of times that he gets caught like that, that's what makes knockdowns and sometimes stoppages an inevitability. He needs to keep his defences in place when throwing shots, especially the right. That would make a huge difference.

[Manchester Hitman]

I was surprised that Khan couldn't detect when Diaz was going to unload the left hook which I think was his most dangerous punch and the one that he was catching Amir with the most regularity. I could see after the first two or three times he threw it that to set himself for it he was dipping down onto his left leg and springing up.

I will reserve judgement until Khans next fight before forming a conclusive opinion on whether I think he will succeed under Hunter. Personally, I think he needs to fight one more moderate fighter to giv Virgil a chance to try to ingraine his style on him.

If he fights Garcia or even worse Mattyesse next forget about it - its lights out.

[ArtOfWar]

I don't think it's his chin that is the problem. He copes as well as you'd expect when caught flush. What is worrying is the number of times that he gets caught like that, that's what makes knockdowns and sometimes stoppages an inevitability. He needs to keep his defences in place when throwing shots, especially the right. That would make a huge difference.

Indeed. Anyone who keeps getting caught like he does is going to have problems staying upright. He doesn't deflect or roll with punches, he just gets caught flush time and time again. He doesn't see a lot of them coming either, which is even worse. He just doesn't seem to have the anticipation or alertness needed to avoid what's coming. I'm not sure that can be changed by coaching. That's an engrained mental defect in a boxing sense.

[lefty]

I don't think it's his chin that is the problem. He copes as well as you'd expect when caught flush. What is worrying is the number of times that he gets caught like that, that's what makes knockdowns and sometimes stoppages an inevitability. He needs to keep his defences in place when throwing shots, especially the right. That would make a huge difference.

Indeed. Anyone who keeps getting caught like he does is going to have problems staying upright. He doesn't deflect or roll with punches, he just gets caught flush time and time again. He doesn't see a lot of them coming either, which is even worse. He just doesn't seem to have the anticipation or alertness needed to avoid what's coming. I'm not sure that can be changed by coaching. That's an engrained mental defect in a boxing sense.

Thats what I was getting at when I mentioned guys like Ward and Rigo. Those guys are brilliant at anticipating whats coming and making the other guy miss. Khan doesnt seem to have that.

[loaded_gloves]

The bottom line is he's never going to get someone as passive sleepwalking through 12 rds like Kotelnik again.

Garcia, Matthysee and Peterson are a lively, violent bunch, young and stronger than Julio Diaz.

I can't see the easy title for him now that there was in 2009.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Maybe his management will try and exhume some fake bauble of yore, or I wouldn't put it past the good ol' WBA inventing some piece of crap title for him to defend.

[banjo]

Yes because he can't change, he doesn't have the humility to accept he's not as good as he thinks he is.

[macaca]

If you have his ability and keep getting title shots you will win one eventually, bit like Bruno, just depends when the easier door opens up and when, I think this is the case for Amir now unfortunately

[jimcook]

people should have realised years ago that something was up with khan, and his handlers unwillingness to fight punchers. hes always had the same problems since turning pro, and they have never been addressed. if they had let him in with jon thaxton,meager ,muurray or stewart all those years ago , he wouldve been flattened, and maybe wouldve learned to keep his hands up and chin down. but instead they fed him a series of bums and has beens etc, and he learned nothing except how to shout his mouth off about being a superstar. the raw material that khan had at the start couldve set him up to be an alltime great, but the leeches all around him did him no favours in the end. at least hes made money, but its clear that hes on his way down.

[Coco]

Suddenly Khan is a bad fighter?? Or perhaps he always has been!

His terrible style has taken him close to elite level, ok he can be a bit to gun ho for his own good but that attitude makes him damn exciting to watch and has made him a ppv fighter.

He is competitive against anyone and has been willing to fight the best out there. If he had stayed with FW there is every chance he would have taken the Cleverley route.

[jimcook]

he has never fought the best. he avoided the best at domestic level, won his title against the weakest champion (khans own words) and defended against the easiest options available.

[Coco]

he has never fought the best. he avoided the best at domestic level, won his title against the weakest champion (khans own words) and defended against the easiest options available.

Yeah yeah the likes of Stewart, Meager and Taxton would have destroyed him, he also avoided Sid Razak and Johnny Greaves.

[jimcook]

he has never fought the best. he avoided the best at domestic level, won his title against the weakest champion (khans own words) and defended against the easiest options available.

Yeah yeah the likes of Stewart, Meager and Taxton would have destroyed him, he also avoided Sid Razak and Johnny Greaves.

since he won the title against kotelnik apart from his losses against garcia and peterson, khan fought salita,malignaggi,maiadana mckloskey judah and molina. - hardly the best.

[gobbles]

he has never fought the best. he avoided the best at domestic level, won his title against the weakest champion (khans own words) and defended against the easiest options available.

Yeah yeah the likes of Stewart, Meager and Taxton would have destroyed him, he also avoided Sid Razak and Johnny Greaves.

since he won the title against kotelnik apart from his losses against garcia and peterson, khan fought salita,malignaggi,maiadana mckloskey judah and molina. - hardly the best.

Who hasn't he fought at light welter?

And remember, Judah beat Matthysse and Bradley backed out of a fight against him

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

Khan is what he is.

A fighting man who comes in shape 100% of the time and puts it all on the line!

Respect to Khan, but he will always be on a roller coaster ride, he is not chinny, but he can be put down.

Khan just needs to tighten up the defence a bit and 'think'..

Not seen any improvement in anything to be honest, Khan is what he is and it equals great entertainment!

[Horse]

Respect to Khan, but he will always be on a roller coaster ride, he is not chinny, but he can be put down.

Khan is chinny.

[banjo]

Khan is chinnier than a Chinese phone book, he can't take a shot from a big puncher and his inability to recognise this will always be his downfall.

[Horse]

Khan is chinnier than a Chinese phone book, he can't take a shot from a big puncher and his inability to recognise this will always be his downfall.

How many times does he have to do the "Amir shuffle" before he and everyone else accepts that he is chinny?

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

Respect to Khan, but he will always be on a roller coaster ride, he is not chinny, but he can be put down.

Khan is chinny.

Chinny is poleaxed in my book.

He can be stunned and dropped, but who can't? Was Felix Trinidad chinny?

BUT HE GETS UP...ALWAYS!

[Final round]

The Garcia ko seems to have knocked the stuffing out of him.