Bruno Documentary on ITV.

[Collins2000]

Silkov, why don't you just answer the question I put to you earlier about your latest daft statement?

[silkov]

Silkov, why don't you just answer the question I put to you earlier about your latest daft statement?

If my IQ was as low as yours I'd enjoy this conversation!. 8)

You're dumber than you look!...

[Old bones Ian]

Silkov, why don't you just answer the question I put to you earlier about your latest daft statement?

If my IQ was as low as yours I'd enjoy this conversation!. 8)

You're dumber than you look!...

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

[KOJOE90]

I think Bruno was a good fighter.I can't stand the way some part time boxing fans think he was shit, guaranteed these people have only seen the 2 Tyson fights.

I agree with you 100% Bruno was a good fighter. I had so many 'heated' debates with part time 'fight fans' and non Boxing fans who just constantly slated Bruno all the time saying he was a waste of space, had a china chin etc etc etc.

[silkov]

Silkov, why don't you just answer the question I put to you earlier about your latest daft statement?

If my IQ was as low as yours I'd enjoy this conversation!. 8)

You're dumber than you look!...

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

I couldn't care less what he thinks!... I'm replying to his constant silly comments to me. He follows me from thread to thread making stupid comments. If he's taking the time to say silly things to me then I'm polite enougth to respond. Try reading the thread before you accuse me of throwing a wobbly.

[silkov]

Silkov, why don't you just answer the question I put to you earlier about your latest daft statement?

If my IQ was as low as yours I'd enjoy this conversation!. 8)

You're dumber than you look!...

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

[KOJOE90]

I have also noticed that there are some sad simular events that happened in the post Boxing lives of Frank Bruno and Joe Louis. They both never managed to find a focus in life after Boxing, both got divorced, both got into cocaine and both then suffered from mental problems.

very sad.

[silkov]

I have also noticed that there are some sad simular events that happened in the post Boxing lives of Frank Bruno and Joe Louis. They both never managed to find a focus in life after Boxing, both got divorced, both got into cocaine and both then suffered from mental problems.

very sad.

You're spot on regarding people criticising Bruno. Many people seem to take a childish delight at ridiculing him and a lot of them probably never even saw him fight. Bruno is very underrated today.
Interesting the parallels between Louis and Bruno, unfortunately quite a lot of boxers encounter simular problems after their careers end, I think they find it very hard to replace the 'buzz' that they got out of boxing and even harder to live without this buzz.
I think Joe Louis' mother suffered from mental health problems so it looks like Louis was genetically disposed to falling into the same problems. Ofcourse being hounded by the government for taxes for over 20 years didn't help... :x :x :x

[KOJOE90]

I think Joe Louis' mother suffered from mental health problems so it looks like Louis was genetically disposed to falling into the same problems.

I think it may have been his father.

Of course being hounded by the government for taxes for over 20 years didn't help...

Very true, although Joe was in part to blame for his financial problems due to his constant spending and just giving money away recklessly. But the IRS did screw him in the worst way and the people responsible for that should be ashamed of themselves.

[silkov]

I think Joe Louis' mother suffered from mental health problems so it looks like Louis was genetically disposed to falling into the same problems.

I think it may have been his father.

Of course being hounded by the government for taxes for over 20 years didn't help...

Very true, although Joe was in part to blame for his financial problems due to his constant spending and just giving money away recklessly. But the IRS did screw him in the worst way and the people responsible for that should be ashamed of themselves.

I've read that most of the money that was owed was from exhibitions Louis boxed during the war years where the money all went to soldiers charities... yet the IRS still expected to Louis to pay taxes on these 'earnings'.
Also I'm sure Louis promoter and manager took a lot of the money. Its like Ali, he 'earned' a fortune for his big fights yet his manager was talking 50%!!! and that was before the promoters, trainers and god knows who else taking their cuts too!... :x :x :x

[Old bones Ian]

I think Joe Louis' mother suffered from mental health problems so it looks like Louis was genetically disposed to falling into the same problems.

I think it may have been his father.

Of course being hounded by the government for taxes for over 20 years didn't help...

Very true, although Joe was in part to blame for his financial problems due to his constant spending and just giving money away recklessly. But the IRS did screw him in the worst way and the people responsible for that should be ashamed of themselves.

I've read that most of the money that was owed was from exhibitions Louis boxed during the war years where the money all went to soldiers charities... yet the IRS still expected to Louis to pay taxes on these 'earnings'.
Also I'm sure Louis promoter and manager took a lot of the money. Its like Ali, he 'earned' a fortune for his big fights yet his manager was talking 50%!!! and that was before the promoters, trainers and god knows who else taking their cuts too!... :x :x :x

James Braddock as part of the deal to defend his title against Louis was entitled to a percentage of all the following Louis title fights .
An unbelievable deal when you think about it.
I know later on when Louis was in financial differculties Braddock did help him out

[KOJOE90]

James Braddock as part of the deal to defend his title against Louis was entitled to a percentage of all the following Louis title fights. An unbelievable deal when you think about it.
I know later on when Louis was in financial differculties Braddock did help him out

Yes it was a good deal, I think it was something like 10% of the promoters (or managers can't remember) cut of all Louis fights for the next ten years.

[silkov]

I think it may have been his father.
Very true, although Joe was in part to blame for his financial problems due to his constant spending and just giving money away recklessly. But the IRS did screw him in the worst way and the people responsible for that should be ashamed of themselves.

I've read that most of the money that was owed was from exhibitions Louis boxed during the war years where the money all went to soldiers charities... yet the IRS still expected to Louis to pay taxes on these 'earnings'.
Also I'm sure Louis promoter and manager took a lot of the money. Its like Ali, he 'earned' a fortune for his big fights yet his manager was talking 50%!!! and that was before the promoters, trainers and god knows who else taking their cuts too!... :x :x :x

James Braddock as part of the deal to defend his title against Louis was entitled to a percentage of all the following Louis title fights .
An unbelievable deal when you think about it.
I know later on when Louis was in financial differculties Braddock did help him out

Yeah, thats a very interesting point. I've heard it claimed that the 10% came out of Mike Jacobs cut of Louis' earnings... but from what I've read of Jacobs I very much doubt that he would have agreed to such a deal, so I am sure that one way or the other that 10% was paid by Louis through the rest of his career.
I've also read that by the 60s Braddock was broke, like Louis. I think one person who helped Louis out financially was Max schmeling.
Funny we never hear about promoters or managers ending up broke or chased to death by the taxman.

[Collins2000]

If my IQ was as low as yours I'd enjoy this conversation!. 8)

You're dumber than you look!...

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

[darkstar81]

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

why are you personalising all your posts to silkov?

what do you think of frank bruno?

[silkov]

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

why are you personalising all your posts to silkov?

what do you think of frank bruno?

He has a fixation on me.

[silkov]

Silkov can you ever accept that some people don't agree with you?
every time someone questions your posts , you throw a wobbly !!

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

Its only bizzare because you know nothing about boxing and nothing about Bruno mate. In both his Biography that came out recently and in the documentry which was done on him this week it was revealed how Bruno injured his eye against Mccall and shouldn't really have been fighting anyone the night he fought Tyson.
He only got through the medical by a whisker. This was all in the documentry and book. Do you really know so little or are you just pretending?...

[silkov]

The sad thing is that I was actually thinking of swapping some dvds with You Collins, but you've lost your chance now and thats that.

[Collins2000]

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

why are you personalising all your posts to silkov?

what do you think of frank bruno?

Darkstar, if you took the trouble to read the thread you would be aware of my thoughts on Bruno. When you have read them, get back to me and we'll have a chat.

[Collins2000]

The sad thing is that I was actually thinking of swapping some dvds with You Collins, but you've lost your chance now and thats that.

Hahahaha, good one. Will the McAvoy - Thil fight be included?

You sound like a spoilt kid, Silkov.

Keep on posting though, you make my day.

[silkov]

The sad thing is that I was actually thinking of swapping some dvds with You Collins, but you've lost your chance now and thats that.

Hahahaha, good one. Will the McAvoy - Thil fight be included?

You sound like a spoilt kid, Silkov.

Keep on posting though, you make my day.

The only kid here is you. Don't you have anything to say about Brunos eye now???. Or do you still not believe me.
I've heard from other people what a prat you are and they're not kidding.

[Collins2000]

Also, why should I ignore ignorance? . Collins comments on Bruno are ignorant :x :x :x and I'm entitled to say so . This is a debating forum :x so if you don't agree with someones views then you are entitled to say so .
If you look at my threads I never stoop to personal insults unless the occasion merits it . Sometimes people are just asking to be insulted though!... ....
you couldn't be more easy going than me!!!.... :x :x :x

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

Its only bizzare because you know nothing about boxing and nothing about Bruno mate. In both his Biography that came out recently and in the documentry which was done on him this week it was revealed how Bruno injured his eye against Mccall and shouldn't really have been fighting anyone the night he fought Tyson.
He only got through the medical by a whisker. This was all in the documentry and book. Do you really know so little or are you just pretending?...

He either passed the medical or he didn't. Explain in more detail how he only just passed. It's like saying someone is a little bit pregnant. Is it a points thing? Come on, if you now so much about it, share it with your #1 fan, Silky. Don't go all coy on me.

Here's a trivia question for you while I'm waiting. We'll start with an easy one. Lawless brought out a former world champ from the USA to have a look at Bruno and offer some advice early on in big Frank's career. Who was it?

[silkov]

Is this more fantasy, Silkov? "easy going"???? Hahahahha, you whinge and whine every time someone disagrees with you. You are notorious for it. You seem to think your opinions are fact and not just opinion.

I notice you still haven't answered my question about your bizarre statement regarding the Bruno medical. Once again, I suspect you just made it up. And you call me sad?

Its only bizzare because you know nothing about boxing and nothing about Bruno mate. In both his Biography that came out recently and in the documentry which was done on him this week it was revealed how Bruno injured his eye against Mccall and shouldn't really have been fighting anyone the night he fought Tyson.
He only got through the medical by a whisker. This was all in the documentry and book. Do you really know so little or are you just pretending?...

He either passed the medical or he didn't. Explain in more detail how he only just passed. It's like saying someone is a little bit pregnant. Is it a points thing? Come on, if you now so much about it, share it with your #1 fan, Silky. Don't go all coy on me.

Here's a trivia question for you while I'm waiting. We'll start with an easy one. Lawless brought out a former world champ from the USA to have a look at Bruno and offer some advice early on in big Frank's career. Who was it?

Why should I answer any of your questions?... read his biography or watch a recording of the documentry that you seem to have missed. I'm sure Brian will sell you a copy. Its well known that many fighters have fooled the doctors when they've had their eyes examined... Joe Frazier, Sugar Ray Seals.... ring any bells do they.
And Bruno met up with lots of ex champs, Floyd Patterson came to England to help him out a bit... but Bruno also met up with Ali and Frazier and Holmes in America. Patterson was the one that came to London...

[silkov]

Now answer this... how many fights in a row did Bruno win inside the distance on his way to winning the ABA Title?...
very easy question...

[silkov]

You've gone strangely quiet Collins?... whats wrong???... past your bedtime is it???...