Do you think FW should retire from being a promoter?

[earsjohn]

I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

Sells what?

[lefty]

I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

Sells what?

He's talking about the channel.

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

'I'm a bad bad bunny!'

He will never be defeated!

[earsjohn]

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

Sells what?

He's talking about the channel.

I get that, but what is there to sell? More pertinently what would BT consider worth buying? Asset wise, it appears to be worthless.

[DMA1987]

I get that, but what is there to sell? More pertinently what would BT consider worth buying? Asset wise, it appears to be worthless.

I agree. If they had a suscriber base on 12 month contracts then it would be more valuable. But I see no reason why BT don't start their own channel?

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

I get that, but what is there to sell? More pertinently what would BT consider worth buying? Asset wise, it appears to be worthless.

Have vision my friend, vision.

DD

[DMA1987]

I get that, but what is there to sell? More pertinently what would BT consider worth buying? Asset wise, it appears to be worthless.

Have vision my friend, vision.

DD

I can't figure out whether you are a Warren fanboy, or a parody of one.

[ScottDetonator]

BT won't buy the channel but I see the point that they will probably look at showing some sort of boxing on BT Sports - think Loaded TV.

Most people won't get BT Sports for free. New subscribers means more money.

Plenty of fights they could pick up such as Hatton, Maloney, Coldwell, Goodwin's shows etc. Then you have the big international cards. Pacquiao Vs Rios for example would be a massive tempter for new subscribers and we all know, the boxing fans are willing to stump up when asked.

[warriorbox]

I get that, but what is there to sell? More pertinently what would BT consider worth buying? Asset wise, it appears to be worthless.

Have vision my friend, vision.

DD

I can't figure out whether you are a Warren fanboy, or a parody of one.

I have been trying to work that out as well

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

[DMA1987]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

Why though mate? Their subscriber base isn't tied in longer than a month is it? And that is its only assett. allegedly can't do anything BT could do themselves.

If BT buy the fights allegedly fails. Easy.

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

Why though mate? Their subscriber base isn't tied in longer than a month is it? And that is its only assett. Allegedly channel can't do anything BT could do themselves.

If BT buy the fights Allegedly Channel fails. Easy.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=165792

I think B.Nation owns the rights to a decent back catalogue of fights involving the biggest and best of britain from years gone by. They have fingers in many pies and big investment.

Time will tell, but the landscape will change and it will be eff Matchroom and their additional PPV .

[DMA1987]

So that means they are buying allegedly?

You are all hopes and dreams. Again, if they outbid allegedly for the fights, people cancel subscriptions and they have overtaken BN without having to buy them.

Why would they buy the channel and tinpot website? Tell me. Because it ain't for the subscribers.

And when allegedly folds, their assets, including back catalogues are sold off. Hardly worth paying what allegedly will want just for a back catalogue.

God you don't like Hearn.

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

So that means they are buying Allegedly Channel?

You are all hopes and dreams. Again, if they outbid Allegedly Channel for the fights, people cancel subscriptions and they have overtaken BN without having to buy them.

Why would they buy the channel and tinpot website? Tell me. Because it ain't for the subscribers.

And when Allegedly Channel folds, their assets, including back catalogues are sold off. Hardly worth paying what allegedly will want just for a back catalogue.

God you don't like Hearn.

The only creditor to B.Nation is......Frank. I doubt be will call the debts in.

The back catalogue etc is just oone part of the revenue.

We will see, I think its great for Boxing, and I am not Fan of Frank.

[DMA1987]

I am not Fan of Frank.

Then I can't imagine the faith his actual fans have!

I don't care what happens to his channel to be honest, but I can't imagine BT buying it. It isn't iconic, it doesn't have assets worthy of the price I'm sure Warren would want. Moving back to my original question (seems like years ago) how would them buying BN make Frank the biggest promoter?

[Parson Cross]

Back to the title of the thread. The question was should be retire as a Promotor. Nah !

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

Back to the title of the thread. The question was should be retire as a Promotor. Nah !

No, and when he gets that BT money!

[warriorbox]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

Be honest - are you on a windup? Lol

It has no similarities to a .com start-up, literally none
No big player needs to buy it, the channel doesn't really own anything outside of the EPG slot, the programming doesn't really have any repeat value, they have no original programming outside of boxing promotions and anyone could hire bunce as a cheerleader. If another channel started buying the international fights allegedly would fold - and very quickly.
BT could be very bad news for allegedly, all they have to do is start outbidding allegedly on the international fights and they will pick up the subscribers without having to buy the channel.
The only USP allegedly has is it broadcasts live boxing - any channel could do that

[DMA1987]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

Be honest - are you on a windup? Lol

It has no similarities to a .com start-up, literally none
No big player needs to buy it, the channel doesn't really own anything outside of the EPG slot, the programming doesn't really have any repeat value, they have no original programming outside of boxing promotions and anyone could hire bunce as a cheerleader. If another channel started buying the international fights Allegedly channel would fold - and very quickly.
BT could be very bad news for Allegedly channel, all they have to do is start outbidding Allegedly channel on the international fights and they will pick up the subscribers without having to buy the channel.
The only USP Allegedly channel has is it broadcasts live boxing - any channel could do that

Good post.

[mcjarvo]

I dont think he should retire. Eddie Hearns has over took him but that is what FW needs. He will now get the big fights for his fighters instead of feeding them journey mean and c level fighters. he has always gave Chisora the good fight but he is putting frankie gavin in with vassell :) so hopefully more to come.

[palooka]

I have been trying to work that out as well

Neither, but I know a good product when I see one. Look on B.Naton like a .com business, they will be bought by a bigger player.

Why though mate? Their subscriber base isn't tied in longer than a month is it? And that is its only assett. Allegedly channel can't do anything BT could do themselves.

If BT buy the fights Allegedly Channel fails. Easy.

I don't think it's as easy as it looks; isn't the reason SKY decided to lump in with just one promoter because of the constant headaches/time spent dealing with balls ups/injuries/everything in boxing outside of the bouts?

[squared circle]

Allegedly channel balance sheet is pretty worthless. I cannot see what assets it has. The rights to the back catalogue really won't be worth that much. It has "value" for fwank in that he can fill swathes of airtime very cheaply. BUT If that's all the channel broadcast, and didn't show live content, I doubt anyone would subscribe - so in itself it has little intrinsic value.

Agree with others. BT is bad news for fwank.

[palooka]

Allegedly channel balance sheet is pretty worthless. I cannot see what assets it has. The rights to the back catalogue really won't be worth that much. It has "value" for fwank in that he can fill swathes of airtime very cheaply. BUT If that's all the channel broadcast, and didn't show live content, I doubt anyone would subscribe - so in itself it has little intrinsic value.

Agree with others. BT is bad news for fwank.

There are a lot of other companies with 'worthless' balance sheets that are profitable and worthwhile; I very much doubt that the directors of the company do not know what they are doing/doing voluntary work/running the channel for the thrill of it.

[Ratchet Exits Nu]

There are a lot of other companies with 'worthless' balance sheets that are profitable and worthwhile; I very much doubt that the directors of the company do not know what they are doing/doing voluntary work/running the channel for the thrill of it.

This.

[mickey1975]

Isn't Simon Green the most important figure in all this?