Burns vs Gonzalez: The aftermath *spoiler*

whiskey · Post by **whiskey** » 12 May 2013, 03:02

Just to separate it from the round-by-round,

Bricks were definitely shat last night by people - but does the rusty performance by Burns pave the way for more people to be interested in trying to fight him now?

I thought when Burns fought the same gameplan for a couple of moments himself as Gonzales (standing off) he evened things up, before feeling the home crowd pressure to march forwards again, he played into Gonzo's approach and made to look predictable.

I know Burn's is trying to plant his feet and put his weight into shots more nowadays, but it was too forced for me and needs to mix things up a bit more, go backwards, go forwards, single shots sometimes and clusters at other times. The lunging was easily read and avoided and I think make he should make contact before hurling in his best work. I'm sure Billy will have some measures to implement.

I was going to write he was "lucky" which is a tad true, but slightly unfair - he showed a ton of heart and Gonzo was definitely breathing a bit behind that poker face. He could be another Judah, who looks sensational but bails out when he can't eventually get on top. Good on Ricky for sticking with it.

On a separate note, the crowd looked great last night. Simpson vs Choi was a lovely scrap. Although the scores didn't do Choi's effort justice.

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 12 May 2013, 03:21

Gonzalez 1/14 ON with b365 at one point. Imagine steaming into him in play and watching him dog it on his stool! The kid was a mile in front and hardly taking a beating as Burns could barely land. Very strange ending and I bet it's an awkward n silent flight home for Team Gonzalez. Happy for Burns he seems a really decent lad. Dunno whether he was flat and/or rusty last night or Gonzalez was a world beater without a heart.

earsjohn · Post by **earsjohn** » 12 May 2013, 03:48

I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

keithmoonhangover · Post by **keithmoonhangover** » 12 May 2013, 04:47

earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Well said mate.

Supremo · Post by **Supremo** » 12 May 2013, 04:52

earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Agreed, I personally would have fought on and given everything given the potential riches that lay ahead if he won and I was disappointed in him but to call him gutless is ridiculous. I was ringside last night after the fight where a handful of morons were trying to get the crowd to sing "shitebag shitebag" at Gonzales- I was tempted to ask them how many contests they'd had in their lives(I can guess the answer) but decided to bite my lip instead.

jizzle · Post by **jizzle** » 12 May 2013, 05:11

earsjohn wrote: As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Personally I agree with you but other boxers are calling him the same...Calzaghe, Kevin Mitchell and Paul Smith Jnr

Ratchet Exits Nu · Post by **Ratchet Exits Nu** » 12 May 2013, 05:27

earsjohn wrote:
As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Burns did what burns does, he stuck in there and at the end of the day it meant the win.

But I think overall the better man lost last night. Rematch?

JimJim2009 · Post by **JimJim2009** » 12 May 2013, 05:43

Credit to Ricky for battling on and coming out on top, those last few rounds would have been very interesting indeed. Maybe the challenger's withdrawal cheated Ricky from an incredible, come from behind knockout in the final rounds ?

However, the way the challenger easily outboxed Ricky for the first seven rounds shows just why Team Burns have ducked Broner for the past two years, and why they are right to - Broner would beat him, no doubt about it.

But, well done to Ricky, he showed true grit to get stuck into Gonzalez after the one-sided first half of the fight. Boxers like Sven Ottke, who just ran and ran until the final bell, really got my goat, but it was heroic how Ricky was marching forward, dishing it out in rounds eight and nine

jimcook · Post by **jimcook** » 12 May 2013, 07:50

burns is still the champ here. i knew before the fight that it was gony be tough, but gonzalez was better than expected. burns conditioning seen him through. arthur abraham got his jaw broke early in a world title fight and continued to the end, so the idea that gonzalez just gave up cos he had a broken whatever is wrong. he was rounds up and only needed to coast to victory...so why didnt he? simply because he was facing a guy who took everything that he threw, and kept coming back , getting stronger. everyone on this forum bar billy nelson constantly criticise and underrate the rickster, but he keeps coming through with the wins. broner got outclassed by ponce de leon and has only fought limiteed opponents, yet you are saying hes some kind p4p great. id like to see how broner would have dealtt with gonzalez.
burns is lion hearted and obviously in great shape. a nice guy to boot. that was a tough mandatory he just came through, and he should get the credit he deserves. all the greats have had bad nights, why cant burns? had gonzalez not pulled out what do you think wouldve happened? he wouldve got busted up and probably stopped. the fact that he took the easy way out rather than give ricky his glory should not be seen as a black mark against burns.

i seem to remember carl froch getting schooled by a very slick jermaine taylor for 12 (twevle) rounds, before he got his man out of there. thats boxing. there is talent , but above all , its got to backed up by hard, hard work, mental strenght , and discipline...and the idea that you are never giving up or giving in.

handsofstone · Post by **handsofstone** » 12 May 2013, 07:53

jimcook wrote:burns is still the champ here. i knew before the fight that it was gony be tough, but gonzalez was better than expected. burns conditioning seen him through. arthur abraham got his jaw broke early in a world title fight and continued to the end, so the idea that gonzalez just gave up cos he had a broken whatever is wrong. he was rounds up and only needed to coast to victory...so why didnt he? simply because he was facing a guy who took everything that he threw, and kept coming back , getting stronger. everyone on this forum bar billy nelson constantly criticise and underrate the rickster, but he keeps coming through with the wins. broner got outclassed by ponce de leon and has only fought limiteed opponents, yet you are saying hes some kind p4p great. id like to see how broner would have dealtt with gonzalez.
burns is lion hearted and obviously in great shape. a nice guy to boot. that was a tough mandatory he just came through, and he should get the credit he deserves. all the greats have had bad nights, why cant burns? had gonzalez not pulled out what do you think wouldve happened? he wouldve got busted up and probably stopped. the fact that he took the easy way out rather than give ricky his glory should not be seen as a black mark against burns.

i seem to remember carl froch getting schooled by a very slick jermaine taylor for 12 (twevle) rounds, before he got his man out of there. thats boxing. there is talent , but above all , its got to backed up by hard, hard work, mental strenght , and discipline...and the idea that you are never giving up or giving in.

well said jimcook,couldnt agree more

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 12 May 2013, 08:55

earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

He is gutless, I predict he won't fight again, boxing is an easy sport when you are blasting people out early, it is a different game when you are in the deep water, Gonzales showed he could not swim in a shallow puddle!
He won the first 6 without breaking into a sweat, it was akin to light sparring, there was only one round, the 7th which was a bit of a war, which again the Puera Rican was on top but that broke his heart.
His heart is so fragile that in hope he never has a girl who don't pick up the phone!

earsjohn · Post by **earsjohn** » 12 May 2013, 08:58

Coco wrote:
earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
He is gutless, I predict he won't fight again, boxing is an easy sport when you are blasting people out early, it is a different game when you are in the deep water, Gonzales showed he could not swim in a shallow puddle!
He won the first 6 without breaking into a sweat, it was akin to light sparring, there was only one round, the 7th which was a bit of a war, which again the Puera Rican was on top but that broke his heart.
His heart is so fragile that in hope he never has a girl who don't pick up the phone!

As I said, pathetic Internet twattery of the lowest order.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 May 2013, 09:01

jizzle wrote:
earsjohn wrote: As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
Personally I agree with you but other boxers are calling him the same...Calzaghe, Kevin Mitchell and Paul Smith Jnr

All true.....such a shock of an end - he was standing Ricky on his head for the 1st 6 rounds - Ricky looked out of his class to be honest. But that was massive heart Burns showed by blasting back when hurt in the 7th, and the inexperienced Gonzalez must have thought: what the hell am I up against here ??

If his hand is broken, well you can give him a pass for that - but his corner definitely weren't giving him a pass. They looked horrified when he quit, and pretty much deserted the poor bloke, I noticed it was Billy Nelson left to console him.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 09:03

earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.

Tell that to Arthur abraham who fought for 9 rounds against Edison Miranda with a broken jaw! .... now thats a fair reason to quit.

iamasadlittleboy · Post by **iamasadlittleboy** » 12 May 2013, 09:07

jizzle wrote:
earsjohn wrote: As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
Personally I agree with you but other boxers are calling him the same...Calzaghe, Kevin Mitchell and Paul Smith Jnr

TBH kettle meet pot. Mitchell made excuses for his losses, Smith couldn't cop it at fringe Euro level (then made excuses) and Calzaghe pulled out of that many fights with training injuries that he can hardly talk despite his achievements.

Tony Bellew said something like he had it a shut out to Burns...

Hmmm.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 12 May 2013, 09:09

earsjohn wrote:
Coco wrote:
earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
He is gutless, I predict he won't fight again, boxing is an easy sport when you are blasting people out early, it is a different game when you are in the deep water, Gonzales showed he could not swim in a shallow puddle!
He won the first 6 without breaking into a sweat, it was akin to light sparring, there was only one round, the 7th which was a bit of a war, which again the Puera Rican was on top but that broke his heart.
His heart is so fragile that in hope he never has a girl who don't pick up the phone!
As I said, pathetic Internet twattery of the lowest order.

You can call me pathetic but I know exactly what it takes to fiddle through the rounds and bite down on my gumshield to make it to the final bell, except I did it against guys you were much better than me.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 09:10

iamasadlittleboy wrote:
jizzle wrote:
earsjohn wrote: As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
Personally I agree with you but other boxers are calling him the same...Calzaghe, Kevin Mitchell and Paul Smith Jnr
TBH kettle meet pot. Mitchell made excuses for his losses, Smith couldn't cop it at fringe Euro level (then made excuses) and Calzaghe pulled out of that many fights with training injuries that he can hardly talk despite his achievements.

Tony Bellew said something like he had it a shut out to Burns...

Hmmm.

what was bellew smoking? Crack? I like him as a bloke as he seems a top fella but that is ludicrous.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 09:12

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.[/quote]

He is gutless, I predict he won't fight again, boxing is an easy sport when you are blasting people out early, it is a different game when you are in the deep water, Gonzales showed he could not swim in a shallow puddle!
He won the first 6 without breaking into a sweat, it was akin to light sparring, there was only one round, the 7th which was a bit of a war, which again the Puera Rican was on top but that broke his heart.
His heart is so fragile that in hope he never has a girl who don't pick up the phone![/quote]

As I said, pathetic Internet twattery of the lowest order.[/quote]

You can call me pathetic but I know exactly what it takes to fiddle through the rounds and bite down on my gumshield to make it to the final bell, except I did it against guys you were much better than me.[/quote]

You're right coco. That was appalling by Gonzalez last night! If he was getting the shit beaten out of him consistently and his face was messed up, etc I can understand it somewhat but the way he did it was embarrasing and his own corner seemed ashamed of him to be honest.

earsjohn · Post by **earsjohn** » 12 May 2013, 09:12

columbo wrote:
earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
Tell that to Arthur abraham who fought for 9 rounds against Edison Miranda with a broken jaw! .... now thats a fair reason to quit.

That tells me that Abraham has a whole stack of heart and not that someone who doesn't do the same is gutless. I have suffered a fractured wrist and I could barely use my hand for days. To suggest that someone is gutless, from a cosy perspective of being a lardass sat in front of a TV screen at no risk of physical harm greater than a back strain from over reaching for a fallen Dorito, just demonstrates that you have a point of view worth disregarding.

Unless of course you are Arthur Abraham.

iamasadlittleboy · Post by **iamasadlittleboy** » 12 May 2013, 09:14

" Don 't know if it 's just me but Burns has won
every round for me so far ! He 's simply doing
more than Gonzalez ! You can't win rounds
dodging!"

From Bombers Twitter, not sure when he said it but was there ever a time in the fight where that was accurate...

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 09:14

earsjohn wrote:
columbo wrote:
earsjohn wrote:I don't buy into all this "lucky" nonsense.

A fight is over 12 rounds and boxing someone to exhaustion and the point at which they can take no more is a legitimate way to win a fight. The scorecards at the time of a stoppage are only taken into account for technical decisions (injuries, etc) and not for when a fighter chooses not to continue. OK, so a guy saying "no more" is less satisfying a conclusion than him being sparked out and failing to stand by 10, but it is still a fully legitimate, fair and deserving way to win a fight. It's somewhat akin to Lewis v Vitali, where Vitali was up on the cards but Lewis was slicing his face apart and forcing a decision on a stoppage before the cards could be taken into account.

As for accusations of gutlessness towards Gonzales, I find it abhorrent that a bunch of beer swilling, keyboard junkies can question the fortitude of a man who steps off a plane into a crowd of 5,000 glaswegians screaming for their hero, proceeds to box him silly for 6 rounds, goes to war giving and taking some hefty shots in the 7th breaking his hand in the process, fights on for a couple more rounds in obvious pain and exhaustion before assessing that he has given all he has to give. You can say that he may not have the heart of a Gatti or a Jamie Moore, but to call him gutless is pathetic internet twattery of the lowest order.
Tell that to Arthur abraham who fought for 9 rounds against Edison Miranda with a broken jaw! .... now thats a fair reason to quit.
That tells me that Abraham has a whole stack of heart and not that someone who doesn't do the same is gutless. I have suffered a fractured wrist and I could barely use my hand for days. To suggest that someone is gutless, from a cosy perspective of being a lardass sat in front of a TV screen at no risk of physical harm greater than a back strain from over reaching for a fallen Dorito, just demonstrates that you have a point of view worth disregarding.

Unless of course you are Arthur Abraham.

Yeah but you're working under the assumption here that anyone with that viewpoint has never boxed or even worked out.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 09:15

iamasadlittleboy wrote:" Don 't know if it 's just me but Burns has won
every round for me so far ! He 's simply doing
more than Gonzalez ! You can't win rounds
dodging!"

From Bombers Twitter, not sure when he said it but was there ever a time in the fight where that was accurate...

He wasnt only dodging though, he was hitting Burns with counters which were hurting him. Anyway Bellew only feels that way because Chilemba was doing the same to him when he was plodding forward and hitting thin air.

WelshDevil · Post by **WelshDevil** » 12 May 2013, 10:22

The most surprising thing to me was that everyone, including me, was expecting a Wild swinging, reckless, banger and got a fighter doing a very good impression of Guillermo Rigondeaux. I was stunned by Jose Gonzalez performance - he really took Ricky Burns to school and in the 7th looked like he was putting the explanation mark on a fantastic performance. Then he went downhill, seemingly tired and not really throwing.

Burns won but his timing was poor, I think he had been preparing for the Gonzalez we all thought was coming, and got thrown off by the Puerto Ricans skillset.

Still wondering how the Scot won that fight.

lefty · Post by **lefty** » 12 May 2013, 10:25

WelshDevil wrote:The most surprising thing to me was that everyone, including me, was expecting a Wild swinging, reckless, banger and got a fighter doing a very good impression of Guillermo Rigondeaux. I was stunned by Jose Gonzalez performance - he really took Ricky Burns to school and in the 7th looked like he was putting the explanation mark on a fantastic performance. Then he went downhill, seemingly tired and not really throwing.

Burns won but his timing was poor, I think he had been preparing for the Gonzalez we all thought was coming, and got thrown off by the Puerto Ricans skillset.

Still wondering how the Scot won that fight.

Yeah i wasnt quite expecting the boxing brain that Gonzalez possesses! He was very good at counter punching and anticipating. The crazy thing is i read an interview with him and he said he only had 5 amateur fights!

Datsue · Post by **Datsue** » 12 May 2013, 13:27

iamasadlittleboy wrote:" Don 't know if it 's just me but Burns has won
every round for me so far ! He 's simply doing
more than Gonzalez ! You can't win rounds
dodging!"

From Bombers Twitter, not sure when he said it but was there ever a time in the fight where that was accurate...

Yeah but I do wonder about Bomber's scoring, he thought he beat Chilemba, after all...

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