Witter looked one dimensional

[KO Artist]

Witter was really disappointing tonight. He seemed to just stick with walking forward trying to land a big shot and it clearly wasn't working well. I thought the key to breaking Lynes down was body shots by watching the fight but Witter seemed to be allergic to throwing them, constantly going for the head. Everytime Lynes backed up into the ropes he seemed to leave part of his body open for the punishing but Witter just kept on with the same tired gameplan.

Witter is finished.

Mayweather would humiliate him.

Hatton would batter him.

[Coconut]

The thing that really struck me about this was that Witter looked puffed very, very early. I stuck the replay on Saturday morning and it was between rounds - I guessed from the way Witter was sweating, blowing and ignoring Ingle that there were only a couple to go. Then the third round started.

Witter spends too much damn time trying to confuse opponents and ends up confusing himself. I don't doubt that he still has ability but his inability to unlock Kotelnik and Lynes is worrying - shows he may have problems getting up for smaller fights now he's had a taste of US limelight.

He needs some focus and some fitness. The way things are going is not good for the lad.

[J]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

[J]

i cant be arsed to go over this all again.

however i rememeber kolt having a high gaurd but plodding forward all night though I must admit the fight was aobut as entertaining as fridays so I could be wrong, think I had something important to do like read the paper on the bog while it was on.

and i know stewart wasnt extremely good but to suggest lynes is better is just silly. IN fact you dfo that right accross the comparison, at least the guys hatton fougth had mixed in top class. Lynes best foe was Sarmiento and we know he got beaten there as well.

hatton holds a genuine belt.

witter never will despite his fans and his mouth and all the bollox we have listend to over the past 2 years, the sour grapes the moaning, the accusations of ducking etc etc.


he aint good enough simple of that.

i love the way you lot got your knickers on a twist cos your fighter didnt perform whose fault is that? not mine mate, I can only report on what i see.

and what a i saw was in no way even in the same ball park as a world class performance against a british level fighter at best.

[numpty]

Friday night was the first time for a while that I actually nodded off during the fight! Please dont anyone compare Witter with any 140lb world champ, he doesn't even come close!

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

i cant be arsed to go over this all again.

however i rememeber kolt having a high gaurd but plodding forward all night though I must admit the fight was aobut as entertaining as fridays so I could be wrong, think I had something important to do like read the paper on the bog while it was on.

and i know stewart wasnt extremely good but to suggest lynes is better is just silly. IN fact you dfo that right accross the comparison, at least the guys hatton fougth had mixed in top class. Lynes best foe was Sarmiento and we know he got beaten there as well.

hatton holds a genuine belt.

witter never will despite his fans and his mouth and all the bollox we have listend to over the past 2 years, the sour grapes the moaning, the accusations of ducking etc etc.


he aint good enough simple of that.

i love the way you lot got your knickers on a twist cos your fighter didnt perform whose fault is that? not mine mate, I can only report on what i see.

and what a i saw was in no way even in the same ball park as a world class performance against a british level fighter at best.

If you saw my early posts, said Witter was very disapointing. I am a Witter fan but I do try to remain objective and unbiased.

'Accusations of Ducking' - he was blatantly ducked no 2 ways about it. The only defense you can give is 'risk-reward' - the risk is too high and there is little reward - other than the respect of fans. If you don't believe Hatton ducked Witter we can discuss it in depth if you wish.

As for 'Witter will never hold a genuine belt' - you wouldn't favour him to beat Branco if Mayweather vacates? Any chance I can get next weeks lottery numbers from that crystal ball of yours.

Kotlenik hid out of action for the first 6 and threw some leather counters after that. AT NO STAGE DID HE 'PLOD FORWARD'

[J]

and you honestly think that if mayweather vacates the WBC will let witter fight Branco for the champ belt? you are naive arent you. Or maybe its wishful thinking.

i think you will find they will find some spurious excuse to put him in with Branco with the winner meeting the likes of Castillo.

And you can forget witter beating Castillo.

as for the kotnelijk fight Id have to watch it agian funnily it didnt stick in my mind as like friday's it was as entertaining as watching grass grow. But id do recall Kotnelijk plodding forward in the latter half of the fight tho as I say i could be mistaken.

witters fights may stick in your mind but they dont in mine as since Ndou he has done little that has been memorable.

[mikey h]

Friday night was the first time for a while that I actually nodded off during the fight!

Me too, fell asleep in my chair, my necks been knackered since !

[hitman_hatton1]

witter has stepped up his comp in his last 3 fights and they've all gone the distance. is it me or is that more than just a coincidence.

big puncher and dangerous at a level. not so dangerous against the top boys.

[Coconut]

I was impressed with the Battaglia stoppage but the rest, you're right, you'd expect his to do a number on them.

But he must be difficult to match.

He was in limbo, simmering underneath a decent level only because he hadn't proved he belonged there. Now he seems to have cooled a little. Maybe frustration at a stalling career, not sure, but he's not looked interested since N'Dou, really.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Kotelnik was the one landing the shots over the latter half of the fight.

Phillips was a better fighter even at that stage than Kotelnik in terms of the threat he carried, Hatton won pretty much every round.

Hatton has dominated almost every opponent, with the exception of Thaxton, Magee and Tszyu, aqainst the others, he's barely lost a round.

I have no doubt that Hatton would have utterly dominated Lynes, Kotelnik and Ndou too if they fought, Hatton took Tackie completely to school, and despite all the big talk about Ndou, he is a very limited fighter.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

[quote="J"]and you honestly think that if mayweather vacates the WBC will let witter fight Branco for the champ belt? you are naive arent you. Or maybe its wishful thinking.

i think you will find they will find some spurious excuse to put him in with Branco with the winner meeting the likes of Castillo.

And you can forget witter beating Castillo.quote]

Well Witter and Branco are 1 and 2 in the WBC. Corrales and Castillo are the Ward and Gatti of 135, ie limited and beatable. Casamoya beat Castillo but got robbed.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Kotelnik was the one landing the shots over the latter half of the fight.

Phillips was a better fighter even at that stage than Kotelnik in terms of the threat he carried, Hatton won pretty much every round.

Hatton has dominated almost every opponent, with the exception of Thaxton, Magee and Tszyu, aqainst the others, he's barely lost a round.

I have no doubt that Hatton would have utterly dominated Lynes, Kotelnik and Ndou too if they fought, Hatton took Tackie completely to school, and despite all the big talk about Ndou, he is a very limited fighter.

I'd disagree on Phillips but apart from that your largely right (except for the fact Ndou beat Mitchell and nearly beat Cotto) - your also fogetting both Phillips and Tackie had Hatton on queer street at times.

I'm not incredibly impressed with Witters last 2 fights (although he certainly won them) but Witters never going to be the sort of fighter who throws 100 punches a round like Hatton - he counters and if the fighter isn't throwing he can't counter.

BUT REMEMBER WOULD THE HATTON WHO FOUGHT VILCHES BEAT ZOO? I THINK NOT. Boxers train for the fighters who are put in front of them, expect Hatton to be less sharp against Maussa.

[stujones]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Phillips could whack has done well since and was much more of a threat than Kotenlik.

Ndou lost to Mitchell fair and square, I would call Ndou and Tackie on the same level.

Oliveria was better than Battalgia

Magee better than Bienias.

I would call Lynes and Stewart on a par, Stewart is not exactly old two - was ambitious (it was an eliminator and he had just fought Mitchell). He was more active than Lynes and has some decent wins/performances. Lynes has lost officially in the past, and should have lost a few times recently.

Yes, Bergman was better than Vilches at the time of their fights.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Witter has made his carreer for the past few years by bad mouthing hatotn.

Thats fine if when its fight night, you back it up.


He hasnt done so for some time now.


And for the comment styles make fights, well Kotnelijk came forward all night and witter was just as bad.


His workrate isnt there at the top level this has been obvious since the Ndou fight, which lets face it but for an outstanding first few rounds he would have lost wide.


Witter has Im afraid, made a rod fo his own back, as said if you back it up your a hero, fail to and you are an also ran.


Im yet to see anything from Junior to make me think he falls into the first category.

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Phillips could whack has done well since and was much more of a threat than Kotenlik.

Ndou lost to Mitchell fair and square, I would call Ndou and Tackie on the same level.

Oliveria was better than Battalgia

Magee better than Bienias.

I would call Lynes and Stewart on a par, Stewart is not exactly old two - was ambitious (it was an eliminator and he had just fought Mitchell). He was more active than Lynes and has some decent wins/performances. Lynes has lost officially in the past, and should have lost a few times recently.

Yes, Bergman was better than Vilches at the time of their fights.

I had Magee better than Bienias and Olivera better than Battalgia - < means greater than Stu. Of course its all subjective

[Loynesy]

have no desire to pick an argument with anyone, but the few times I have seen Witter live (a much better gauge than on TV), I have never been that impressed. Its all very well being a switch-hitter, but if the muscle fibres in your right shoulder twitch about a tenth of a second before you throw a straight right (watch him on tape, trust me, he telegraphs the punch) its easy to deal with.

And all this chat about him being ducked is a complete smokescreen - he can't sell tickets so there is no upside in fighting him - his purse deamnds are too high for a non-seller

[jamesmcdonnell]

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Kotelnik was the one landing the shots over the latter half of the fight.

Phillips was a better fighter even at that stage than Kotelnik in terms of the threat he carried, Hatton won pretty much every round.

Hatton has dominated almost every opponent, with the exception of Thaxton, Magee and Tszyu, aqainst the others, he's barely lost a round.

I have no doubt that Hatton would have utterly dominated Lynes, Kotelnik and Ndou too if they fought, Hatton took Tackie completely to school, and despite all the big talk about Ndou, he is a very limited fighter.

I'd disagree on Phillips but apart from that your largely right (except for the fact Ndou beat Mitchell and nearly beat Cotto) - your also fogetting both Phillips and Tackie had Hatton on queer street at times.

I'm not incredibly impressed with Witters last 2 fights (although he certainly won them) but Witters never going to be the sort of fighter who throws 100 punches a round like Hatton - he counters and if the fighter isn't throwing he can't counter.

BUT REMEMBER WOULD THE HATTON WHO FOUGHT VILCHES BEAT ZOO? I THINK NOT. Boxers train for the fighters who are put in front of them, expect Hatton to be less sharp against Maussa.

Mitchell beat Ndou in what was a close fight, and I saw Cotto v Ndou live, and I didn't have it very close, Cotto looked bad after injuring himself in round 4.

Tackie and Phillips did not have Hatton on queer street, they stopped him in his tracks a couple of times, but Hatton won almost every round against both men.

Witter has struggled with Ndou despite knocking him down 3 times, Kotelnik and now Lynes, Hatton had a bad night against Vilches, but he still won by a country mile.

Magee is a fringe world class operator, or at least was, which is more than can be said for the majority of Witter's opponents.

Witter has the style to give Hatton a test, but based on recent performances, he is either in decline, or wasn't as good as he and his fans thought in the first place.

Battering the shit out of guys like Lucky Sambo might look good for stats, but doesn't compare to fighting solid sub-world class operators like Kotelnik and N'dou.

Bergman was better than Vilches, but let's not forget it was an 8 rounder, and as subsequent fights have shown, down the stretch, Witter seems to really struggle.

[Arsenal]

I've seen Witter a few times and until he steps in with a genuine World class fighter I think questions will always be asked. I think he is over-rated. He can punch but that doesn't mean anything. How many fighters have been up there because they can punch but then get knocked out themselves? I think you can draw comparisons with Naz. A great fighter but when he came up against someone who knew how to box against him he lost. Witter has got to be able to be a defensive and attacking boxer and be able to change tactics if he is going to be World Champion. But give Lynes credit, his tactics were spot on. Why is it that Witter just fought bad rather than his opponent making him fight bad? If Lynes had believed a little bit more and stepped it up a bit earlier I think the fight could have gone his way. At times Witter looked awful. He didn't have a clue what to do when Lynes stood off and for a would be champion to be bamboozled so easliy is little bit worying.

[stujones]

Kotelnik came forward all night did he? Which fight were you watching mate? He stayed on the back foot all night all night behind a guard and throw a little bit of leather when Junior tired down the stretch.

Witters comp to date is on par with Hattons comp pre-Zoo (if not better as Hattons best opponents were long in the tooth and Phillips flew in the day before the fight).

Ndou >Tackie (Ndou basically beat Mitchell who won every round against Tackie)
Kotlenik > Phillips (similar level but Phillips hadn't fought in a year was old and flew in the night of the fight)
Battalgia < Olivera (Bat went 12 with Ukral but a notch below in class)
Bienias < Maggee (Maggee did allot better against Ukral)
Lynes > Stewart (Stewart lost his next fight after Hatton, Lynes is young hungry and better)
Bergman>Vilches
Lauri - Lauri

Phillips could whack has done well since and was much more of a threat than Kotenlik.

Ndou lost to Mitchell fair and square, I would call Ndou and Tackie on the same level.

Oliveria was better than Battalgia

Magee better than Bienias.

I would call Lynes and Stewart on a par, Stewart is not exactly old two - was ambitious (it was an eliminator and he had just fought Mitchell). He was more active than Lynes and has some decent wins/performances. Lynes has lost officially in the past, and should have lost a few times recently.

Yes, Bergman was better than Vilches at the time of their fights.

I had Magee better than Bienias and Olivera better than Battalgia - < means greater than Stu. Of course its all subjective

I did know that - and I agreed with those, just offering my opinions on all of those match ups.