WBC condemns AIBA and challenges IOC

[ReggieDiggs]

I am no fan of the ABC's, but this issue is really not about them. It is about the current professional boxers who will be deprived of an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics unless they sign their career away with AIBA. Winning a gold medal at the Olympics could result in massive dollars in endorsement deals, in some countries it would make you an instant millionaire. AIBA should not be permitted to use this economic opportunity as leverage to take control of professional boxing. It is plain wrong.

Isn't it guys with only 15 or less pro fights who can do it? A cat with 15 pro fights has only fought a bunch of barely breathing mfers usually so who cares. He spends two years (iirc thats the length of time AIBA is asking them to stick with them) in AIBA than he can go back to the pros. For most of the guys who do this I'm assuming the upside of being with AIBA is going to be far more secure than being in pro boxing so they might welcome a regular paycheck unlike in pro boxing.

You misunderstand. AIBA want to control all world boxing. Going 'back to the pros' may not be an option.

No I fully understand AIBA's ultimate goal & am rooting for them but the likely outcome is this will take a long time to figure itself out & the abc orgs are here to stay for the foreseeable future. Maybe just maybe AIBA can outplay these groups that have f#cked over pro boxing for so long & in 10 years AIBA will exist & the abc groups won't. This ain't happening over night though so if you sign up for the 2016 Olympics with AIBA I'm sure you could go back to the abc orgs in 2018 no problemo.

[ReggieDiggs]

What makes these guys any better or worse than the wbc,Wba,ibf,wbo?

Simply. They have a goal besides money. Plus my personal #1 benefit of them is I believe any pro sport should only have one org running things. There is no competition among the abc orgs currently in place. No one is trying to take another org out. We have 4 "world champions" per division lol & it will continue to be that way if the status quo continues. There should only be 1 world champion. I think AIBA can give us 1 world champion if they can do what they wanna do. Having said that maybe the abc orgs smarten up & decide to group together with this threat & give us 1 world champion too. That would be good to. I'm not anti-abc orgs more then I'm anti-4 world champs. Ultimately the status quo in pro boxing has the sports dick in the dirt & there needs to be some competition that ultimately results in a winner or a change in the boxing landscape that makes it more comparable to other pro sports leagues.

[ReggieDiggs]

The issue is not whether AIBA is better than the WBC, IBF, etc. They might very well be better. The issue is that they are unfairly using their monopoly over the olympics to sign fighters over to their pro-league. If AIBA wanted to offer fighters more cash than modern day promoters then bless them - the free market rules.

I'm sure these guys will be making more money on average (although not necessarily for the guys who win a gold medal, but who knows, endorsements might be more readily available under a group not considered as corrupt as current pro boxing is). If anything I see this as the difference between going pro out of high school or going pro after college for a basketball player (don't believe they allow this anymore due to some age requirements, but they used to). If you decide to go to college you are making a commitment to at least forgo 1-4 years of a potential pro career. This appears to lock you up for a couple years, but its basically the same deal & again most fighters don't make dick their first two years in boxing so who cares. Win your 2016 Olympic gold medal, get a steady paycheck & win some AIBA titles, finish up your two years in AIBA in 2018, go to the "pros" (as we know them today) with a bang as the Olympic Gold Medalist & probably get a title shot all the more quicker than if you had went to the "pros" right out of the gate. And probably make more money cuz once your two years is up your gonna have "pro" promoters & AIBA guys wanting to throw large amounts of money on you to get you or keep you.

According to these quotes from AIBA, Klitschko would have to sign with their professional league just to have a chance at the Olympics. How long would he have to sign for? How much money would AIBA make off him by his exclusive contract to their pro-league.

I don't think AIBA can offer Wlad enough money to make him go for his 2nd Olympic gold medal first off & most importantly so this is w/e to me. I think allowing proven guys like Wlad in is silly though tbh, but hey thats their model & it could be a good way to lure not so successful "pro" guys into their league that would give them some guys who'd let you compare AIBA talent vs "pro" talent which is ultimately the upside for AIBA. I mean if Wlad were to sign & get KTFO in an AIBA fight it'd help legitimize them as a group obviously.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Some crazy views and misunderstandings! Pro Boxing is business, first, second, third and last. Business, business, business. The reason Mayweather gets paid so much is BECAUSE of the money created by the BUSINESS!

Take a look through the results pages and you'll see shows taking place across the world that feature fighters most of us have never heard of and probably never will. AIBA have no interest in boxing at this level and seek only to take the cream from the top of the amateur pile. If they succeed and the rumour is that they are haemorrhaging millions then there will be no pro game as we know it!

[ReggieDiggs]

Some crazy views and misunderstandings! Pro Boxing is business, first, second, third and last. Business, business, business. The reason Mayweather gets paid so much is BECAUSE of the money created by the BUSINESS!

Take a look through the results pages and you'll see shows taking place across the world that feature fighters most of us have never heard of and probably never will. AIBA have no interest in boxing at this level and seek only to take the cream from the top of the amateur pile. If they succeed and the rumour is that they are haemorrhaging millions then there will be no pro game as we know it!

I think you got a more optimistic outlook on what AIBA is trying to accomplish then AIBA gots I don't think AIBA wants to control every 4 round bout between a 4-0 guy vs a 0-6 guy at the local clubshow (I wouldn't mind seeing them gone myself I gotta admit, I'm always gonna be anti-mismatches & pro-competitive fights & I don't believe the current power structure of the sport is in agreement with me). Baseball exists outside of the MLB. Basketball exists outside of the NBA. MMA exists outside of the UFC. I don't see why if AIBA was as successful as reasonably possible that boxing could exist outside of AIBA. AIBA ideally would just represent the pinnacle of the sport like these other orgs have become.

[ABC BOXING]

Some crazy views and misunderstandings! Pro Boxing is business, first, second, third and last. Business, business, business. The reason Mayweather gets paid so much is BECAUSE of the money created by the BUSINESS!

Take a look through the results pages and you'll see shows taking place across the world that feature fighters most of us have never heard of and probably never will. AIBA have no interest in boxing at this level and seek only to take the cream from the top of the amateur pile. If they succeed and the rumour is that they are haemorrhaging millions then there will be no pro game as we know it!

Does AIBA have a ratings or list of the top five of each weight division? Where are they listed? How much do these fighters get Paid? I have seen many WSB fights and fighters on tv, video and in person and I haven't been impressed because the talent I have seen is maybe a tad better than the average Culb fighter.
I have talked to a couple of ex AIBA fighters and their stories are far from what some people say about AIBA. When I tell them that some AIBA people claim they pay their fighters $10,000 US every month they say they never even saw anthing close to that. Is AIBA blowing smoke or what?

[scallum]

Aiba is gonna make boxing by far the most watched sport in the Olympics if they allow guys like Klitscho in to compete for their countries. Imagine all the stars in Pro boxing following suit and applying for the right to go for Olympic Gold .

[ABC BOXING]

Olympic boxing has had low ratings in the USA and please don't think KLICS is going to raise the ratings when he is matched to real amateurs of the World. Who will he fight that can attack ratings to watch a Clown Olympic Boxing fight with a pro vs a amateur? JOKE BOXING AT OLYMPICS funny as crap

[scallum]

What about if Guys like Canelo , Broner, Chavez Jr, and Ward decide they too want to compete in Olympics? U think Aiba would say no ? This was actually a very smart move by Aiba

[ABC BOXING]

Scallum; please WBC,TOP Rank, Goldenboy, would never allow this. These guys have 100% control of these fighters inside and outside the ring. First of all a Gold Medal is a medal that isn't all gold so in reality has no real cash value. These fighters have pure gold medellions that are worth more than a gold medal from Olympics.
Just like the Basketball pro players if they get hurt in the Olympics and injury ends their pro career they become a zero. Why would a promoter allow his fighers to fight and end up losing millions over a worthless medal?
I say leave Olympics to the struggling Amateur as a show case for them to have something to try out for and compete with pride like it use to be.

[ReggieDiggs]

What about if Guys like Canelo , Broner, Chavez Jr, and Ward decide they too want to compete in Olympics? U think Aiba would say no ? This was actually a very smart move by Aiba

I can't believe the deal AIBA could offer could compete with the deal pro promoters could offer thus the likelihood anyone on par with this level of talent wouldn't even make sense for the boxer unless they are willing to accept a sh!tty deal just for the chance to get an Olympic medal. Remember as things are being discussed right now the deal is twofold. Come box in the Olympics...and after the Olympics stick around a couple years in AIBA. Personally I think that will be changed up, but right now those seem to be the guidelines of getting a chance at a gold for an established pro.

[scallum]

Scallum; please WBC,TOP Rank, Goldenboy, would never allow this. These guys have 100% control of these fighters inside and outside the ring. First of all a Gold Medal is a medal that isn't all gold so in reality has no real cash value. These fighters have pure gold medellions that are worth more than a gold medal from Olympics.
Just like the Basketball pro players if they get hurt in the Olympics and injury ends their pro career they become a zero. Why would a promoter allow his fighers to fight and end up losing millions over a worthless medal?
I say leave Olympics to the struggling Amateur as a show case for them to have something to try out for and compete with pride like it use to be.

How is Klitscho considering doing it in 2016. Most contracts are set on fight by fight basis, I'm not exactly sure about promotional contracts but I think sum promoters and management would be ok with their ffighters getting more exposure. The wbc, wba,Ibf will all be totally against this thoug

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Aiba is gonna make boxing by far the most watched sport in the Olympics if they allow guys like Klitscho in to compete for their countries. Imagine all the stars in Pro boxing following suit and applying for the right to go for Olympic Gold .

Imagine all the hardworking amateurs sitting in the stands watching the circus!

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Some crazy views and misunderstandings! Pro Boxing is business, first, second, third and last. Business, business, business. The reason Mayweather gets paid so much is BECAUSE of the money created by the BUSINESS!

Take a look through the results pages and you'll see shows taking place across the world that feature fighters most of us have never heard of and probably never will. AIBA have no interest in boxing at this level and seek only to take the cream from the top of the amateur pile. If they succeed and the rumour is that they are haemorrhaging millions then there will be no pro game as we know it!

Does AIBA have a ratings or list of the top five of each weight division? Where are they listed? How much do these fighters get Paid? I have seen many WSB fights and fighters on tv, video and in person and I haven't been impressed because the talent I have seen is maybe a tad better than the average Culb fighter.
I have talked to a couple of ex AIBA fighters and their stories are far from what some people say about AIBA. When I tell them that some AIBA people claim they pay their fighters $10,000 US every month they say they never even saw anthing close to that. Is AIBA blowing smoke or what?

The British Lionhearts team has been underwritten by AIBA to the tune of £2million for the first season alone. Boxers are getting upwards of £40k per year plus win bonuses. A typical squad is 18 in number. There is no funding from government to support a team going forward and no desire from the home nations of England and Scotland to support such a venture. Wales, who have good representation on the AIBA Executive take a slightly more relaxed and optimistic view.

The IOC cannot allow AIBA professionals alone to compete at the Olympics. Monopolies are illegal in most countries across the globe.

The alphabet bodies are like fast food outlets, everybody knows that Burgers and Chicken joints rule the takeaway world and we'd all much prefer to have quality, variety and choice but we still march to Colonel Sanders tune or stop off at the Golden Arches and will still be watching professional boxing served up by the WBC et al despite what AIBA try to do.

[scallum]

Aiba is gonna make boxing by far the most watched sport in the Olympics if they allow guys like Klitscho in to compete for their countries. Imagine all the stars in Pro boxing following suit and applying for the right to go for Olympic Gold .

Imagine all the hardworking amateurs sitting in the stands watching the circus!

Well yes of course this part sucks, especially for kids who have already spent years training for Olympics. They still will get possible shots but just have to be that much better. Imagine the AMATUERSs working that much harder knowing a top pro is entered in their division

[ABC BOXING]

PLEASE SCALLUM get real what real parent including yourself would actually put their son or daughter in a dangerous situation of a professional fighter no matter how bad of a pro he is in compitition. Sure I believe some pros knowing they have a not so talented fighter in front of them might hold back a little but reactions in certain situations might get out of control. I know you dream of your son fighting Olympics as many parents want but get real you have a healthy son why would you want a vegtable?
KEEP OLYMPIC BOXING STRICKLY AMATEUR AND EXCLUDE WSB PROS AND WORLD PROS OUT OF IT!! JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD DO FOR BASKETBALL BRING BACK THE AMATEURS!!

[scallum]

Aiba is gonna make boxing by far the most watched sport in the Olympics if they allow guys like Klitscho in to compete for their countries. Imagine all the stars in Pro boxing following suit and applying for the right to go for Olympic Gold .

Imagine all the hardworking amateurs sitting in the stands watching the circus!

Well yes of course this part sucks, especially for kids who have already spent years training for Olympics. They still will get possible shots but just have to be that much better. Imagine the AMATUERSs working that much harder knowing a top pro is entered in their division

[scallum]

[quote="ABC BOXING"]PLEASE SCALLUM get real what real parent including yourself would actually put their son or daughter in a dangerous situation of a professional fighter no matter how bad of a pro he is in compitition. Sure I believe some pros knowing they have a not so talented fighter in front of them might hold back a little but reactions in certain situations might get out of control. I know you dream of your son fighting Olympics as many parents want but get real you have a healthy son why would you want a vegtable?
KEEP OLYMPIC BOXING STRICKLY AMATEUR AND EXCLUDE WSB PROS AND WORLD PROS OUT OF IT!! JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD DO FOR BASKETBALL BRING BACK THE AMATEURS!![/quote
I see kids as young as 14 handling undefeated pros. There is even one 14 yr old who was working wit Broner. Sum kids are more advanced and will rise to the occasion. I definitely would not advise this for any kid but sum have been blessed. Only those kids whom are exceptionally gifted defense wise should even consider going against pros but there are kids out there that got it like that

[scallum]

PLEASE SCALLUM get real what real parent including yourself would actually put their son or daughter in a dangerous situation of a professional fighter no matter how bad of a pro he is in compitition. Sure I believe some pros knowing they have a not so talented fighter in front of them might hold back a little but reactions in certain situations might get out of control. I know you dream of your son fighting Olympics as many parents want but get real you have a healthy son why would you want a vegtable?
KEEP OLYMPIC BOXING STRICKLY AMATEUR AND EXCLUDE WSB PROS AND WORLD PROS OUT OF IT!! JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD DO FOR BASKETBALL BRING BACK THE AMATEURS!!

Give me a email address and I will send u a video of a 14 yr old vs undefeated pros , not even getting touched defensive wise and dishing out his fair share ob offense

[ABC BOXING]

Dont need to see it Scallum I have been around for over 50 yrs in boxing I saw Oscar De La Hoya whip a then top of the world Julio Cesar Chavez at Azteca Gym in LA even with that I still know OLYIMPICS should be pure amateur statis our kids need to have something to dream for not have a pro take their place such as Basketball where college students worked their ass off to go but now all they have is NBA and only a small percentage go there but a higher percentage fail there too.

If your fourteen year old is that good you might as well skip Olympics take him to Mexico and turn him pro at 15 yrs old why go for something that a pro can get just cause of his name.

[scallum]

Dont need to see it Scallum I have been around for over 50 yrs in boxing I saw Oscar De La Hoya whip a then top of the world Julio Cesar Chavez at Azteca Gym in LA even with that I still know OLYIMPICS should be pure amateur statis our kids need to have something to dream for not have a pro take their place such as Basketball where college students worked their ass off to go but now all they have is NBA and only a small percentage go there but a higher percentage fail there too.

If your fourteen year old is that good you might as well skip Olympics take him to Mexico and turn him pro at 15 yrs old why go for something that a pro can get just cause of his name.

Not just mine , there is another 14 yr old who sparred with Broner, there is also a extremely brilliant 16 yr old in central California.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin V]

Dont need to see it Scallum I have been around for over 50 yrs in boxing I saw Oscar De La Hoya whip a then top of the world Julio Cesar Chavez at Azteca Gym in LA even with that I still know OLYIMPICS should be pure amateur statis our kids need to have something to dream for not have a pro take their place such as Basketball where college students worked their ass off to go but now all they have is NBA and only a small percentage go there but a higher percentage fail there too.

If your fourteen year old is that good you might as well skip Olympics take him to Mexico and turn him pro at 15 yrs old why go for something that a pro can get just cause of his name.

Not just mine , there is another 14 yr old who sparred with Broner, there is also a extremely brilliant 16 yr old in central California.

So how comes your US Olympic team flopped?

[scallum]

Dont need to see it Scallum I have been around for over 50 yrs in boxing I saw Oscar De La Hoya whip a then top of the world Julio Cesar Chavez at Azteca Gym in LA even with that I still know OLYIMPICS should be pure amateur statis our kids need to have something to dream for not have a pro take their place such as Basketball where college students worked their ass off to go but now all they have is NBA and only a small percentage go there but a higher percentage fail there too.

If your fourteen year old is that good you might as well skip Olympics take him to Mexico and turn him pro at 15 yrs old why go for something that a pro can get just cause of his name.

Not just mine , there is another 14 yr old who sparred with Broner, there is also a extremely brilliant 16 yr old in central California.

So how comes your US Olympic team flopped?

Things are much different now , the kids I'm hyping Are not old enough for Olympics year but trust me change is coming in a big way. Plus Usa now has Senor Pedro as head coach , look at results since Senor Pedro been involved with Team Usa , like 10 Golds n counting at Tournaments. Usa has 3 very promising future heavyweights under the age of 18.

[ReggieDiggs]

Usa has 3 very promising future heavyweights under the age of 18.

Who are they?

[scallum]

Usa has 3 very promising future heavyweights under the age of 18.

Who are they?

17 yr old 6 ft 4 220 pound John Luna heard he is very tough out for anyone , 15 yr old 200 plus pound Pano Tiatia very good athlete really quick , short n powerful build like Tyson ,very smart and tricky in the ring. 14 yr old 6 ft 4 176 pound Sugar Suray Mahmutovic, very , very good defense and extremely good jab ,real smart ring command. Senor Pedro Roque is working with these kids.