Australias greatest. ------

[NYDominican]

Before I list Australias best boxers. ----- An acknowledgement to the nation of Australia. In regards to ALL of the many sacrifices which Australians made in World War 1, World War 2, the Korean War & the Vietnam War.

At the start of World War 2, the Australian army was the very first army to inflict a defeat on the army of the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan.

Throughout the Vietnam War, the Australian army engaged the left wing communist forces of the Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars in 11 major battles. In each & every one of these 11 battles, the Australian army TOTALLY dominated over the Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars.

The Australian SAS is one of the most elite military corps in the world.


In regards to Australias best boxers. A listing in 3 brackets. First bracket comprising of Australias greatest.


First bracket. ----- Les Darcy, Dave Sands, Peter Jackson, Johnny Famechon, Young Griffo, Jimmy Carruthers, Rocky Mattioli & Tommy Burns.


Second bracket. ---- Kostya Tszyu, Tony Mundine, Anthony Mundine, Ambrose Palmer, Rocky Gattellari & Joe Bugner.


Third bracket. ---- Danny Green, Jeff French, Solomon Haumono, Jeff Harding, Jarrod Fletcher, Adam Forsyth, Daniel Geale, Leonardo Zappavigna, Will Tomlinson, Garth Wood, Adam Vella, Billy Dib, Mark de Mori, Daniel Dawson & Brad Pitt.

[polecateddy]

How an earth can Joe Bugner and Kostya Tszyu be in the same bracket? Lol

[Rover]

How an earth can Joe Bugner and Kostya Tszyu be in the same bracket? Lol

I don't view Kostya as Australian.

[polecateddy]

Clearly he's not! No more than I am, and I get Australian citizenship next year.

[jezzamundo]

I'd recommend moving Tszyu and Jeff Fenech into the first bracket and Danny Green into the 2nd bracket. Judged over their whole career, Green has accomplished more than Choc - the only reason to rate him higher is because of his clear victory when they did fight. Also, you seen to be missing Tony Mundine Snr, who I'd rate higher than his son. Also there is a huge range in the fighters you have in the third tier, with world champs like Fenech, Harding, Geale and Green, compared to young guys who haven't really accomplished anything yet, such as Fletcher, Forsyth, Wood, Vella, de Mori and Pitt.

[Rover]

Before I list Australias best boxers. ----- An acknowledgement to the nation of Australia. In regards to ALL of the many sacrifices which Australians made in World War 1, World War 2, the Korean War & the Vietnam War.

At the start of World War 2, the Australian army was the very first army to inflict a defeat on the army of the Empire of Imperial Fascist Japan.

Throughout the Vietnam War, the Australian army engaged the left wing communist forces of the Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars in 11 major battles. In each & every one of these 11 battles, the Australian army TOTALLY dominated over the Viet Cong & North Vietnamese army regulars.

The Australian SAS is one of the most elite military corps in the world.


In regards to Australias best boxers. A listing in 3 brackets. First bracket comprising of Australias greatest.


First bracket. ----- Les Darcy, Dave Sands, Peter Jackson, Johnny Famechon, Young Griffo, Jimmy Carruthers, Rocky Mattioli & Tommy Burns.


Second bracket. ---- Kostya Tszyu, Tony Mundine, Anthony Mundine, Ambrose Palmer, Rocky Gattellari & Joe Bugner.


Third bracket. ---- Danny Green, Jeff French, Solomon Haumono, Jeff Harding, Jarrod Fletcher, Adam Forsyth, Daniel Geale, Leonardo Zappavigna, Will Tomlinson, Garth Wood, Adam Vella, Billy Dib, Mark de Mori, Daniel Dawson & Brad Pitt.

Who's Jeff French?

[p4p1]

Some Aussies refer to Jeff Fenech as Jeff French especially after the 12th man

[p4p1]

But I really don't agree with the order of a fair bit of this list

[Rover]

Some Aussies refer to Jeff Fenech as Jeff French especially after the 12th man

Ah, I thought there actually was an Australian fighter named Jeff French.
I assumed Fenech was in the first tier and saw this French guy in the third tier.

[Rover]

But I really don't agree with the order of a fair bit of this list

Yeah, Fenech is rated waaaaaay too low.

[NYDominican]

How an earth can Joe Bugner and Kostya Tszyu be in the same bracket? Lol

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Well, a blog about past fighters, which entails how a respective fighter should fit in bracket. ---- This is subjective.


I do acknowledge, that technically, Kostya had it over Joe Bugner.


I listed Joe in the top bracket for Australias top boxers because of these factors. ----


1. Bugner had a long professional boxing career.



2. Joe was an estabalished pro boxer in the heavyweight division.



In my next post, I'll list other factors as to why I ranked Joe Bugner in the first bracket.

[NYDominican]

polecateddy ----- Clearly, technically, Kostya had it over Joe.


I listed Bugner in the top bracket for Australia, because of Joe having 83 fights at the professional level. In boxings heavyweight division.

Even in regards to Bugners losses.

Here's a list. ----


1. Back in 1967. ---- When Joe fought Paul Brown. Bugner lost this fight. But, Joe was ONLY 17 years old.


2. Back in August, 1969. ---- When Joe fought Dick Hall. Bugner lost this fight on points. Via an 8th round decision. But, Joe was only 19 years old.


3. Back in September, 1971. ---- When Joe fought Jack Bodell. Bugner lost this fight via a 15 round decision. This was a close, competitive fight. Joe was only 21 years old.


4. Back in November, 1971. ---- When Joe fought Larry Middleton. Bugner lost this fight via a 10 round decision. This was a close, competitive fight. Joe was only 21 years old.



5. Back in February, 1973. ---- When Joe fought the VERY great Muhammad Ali. Bugner lost this fight via a 12 round decision. This was a competitive fight.

Granted, Bugner lost this fight. But, he took the VERY great Muhammad Ali to the distance.



6. Back in July, 1973. ---- When Joe fought the VERY great Joe Frazier. Bugner lost this fight via a 12 round decision. This was a competitive fight.

Bugner did lose this fight. But, he took the VERY great Joe Frazier to the distance.



7. Back in late June, 1975. ---- When Joe had his rematch against the VERY great Muhammad Ali. Bugner lost this fight via a 15 round decision. This was a competitive fight.


Bugner did lose this fight. But, he did take the VERY great Muhammad Ali to the distance yet again.



8. Back in March, 1977. ---- When Joe fought the VERY good & tough Ron Lyle. Bugner lost this fight via a 12 round split decision. This fight was VERY competitive & very close.

[NYDominican]

polecateddy ----- When Joe Bugner lost, it was via decision. Even in these decision losses, these losses were to top heavyweight boxers. When he did lose by ko, Joe lost to way, way younger fighters. Bugner was in his late 30s.

A few other examples. ----


9. Back in June, 1983. ----- When Joe fought Marvis Frazier. Bugner lost this fight by a 10 round decision. Marvis was 10 years younger than Joe. Marvis was way less battle worn. Despite this, Bugner was still competitive in this fight.



10. Back in October, 1987. ---- When Joe fought Frank Bruno. Bugner lost this fight by an 8th round tko. Frank was 11 years younger than Joe. Frank was way less battle worn.



11. Back in February, 1996. ---- When Joe fought Scott Welch. Bugner lost this fight by a 6th round ko. Scott was 18 years younger than Joe. Scott was way less battle worn.



This is the premise. ---- Clearly, Joe Bugner shouldn't rank among boxings top heavyweights.

But, for Australias top boxers. ---- Joe should rank up there.


Due to him having 83 fights at the professional level. Even in his losses when he was in his prime. ---- The losses were by decision. The losses, were very competitive. The losses were against top level opponents.


So, Joe Bugner should rank among Australias top ones..

[NYDominican]

But I really don't agree with the order of a fair bit of this list

Yeah, Fenech is rated waaaaaay too low.

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Rover, I looked over my list. ---- I can see this now. Yes, I did rank Fenech too low.

[NYDominican]

Il Duce ---- You said "And Rocky Mattioli was from Italy and he moved to Australia. Not natural born". ---- You are absolutely correct.

Rocky was born near Ripa, Teatnia. A city in central Italy. Rocky emigrated to Australia with his family when he was 6 years old.

Clearly, Rockys direct ancestral roots isn't from Australia. He & his family are transplanted.

Despite Rocky & his family being transplants. They are still Australians.


Italian-Australians at this.

[NYDominican]

But I really don't agree with the order of a fair bit of this list

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p4p1, Australias best boxers. Who would you list? In what rank?

[NYDominican]

l

I don't view Kostya as Australian.

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Well, Kostya & his parents didn't have direct ancestral roots to Australia.


Kostya is the son of his Korean (Paternal) & Mongel (Maternal) descent father. His mother was Russian. Kostya was born in Serov. A town in the Ural Moutains region of the former Soviet Union (USSR). Now Russia.


Since Kostya emigrated to Australia. Despite him being a transplant.


Kostya still can classify as an "Australian".

[NYDominican]

jezzamundo. ---- I have to step out now. Hopefully, I should have some time by Thursday. Either way, I'll definitely get back to you.


In the meantime, later.

[Rover]

l

I don't view Kostya as Australian.

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Well, Kostya & his parents didn't have direct ancestral roots to Australia.


Kostya is the son of his Korean (Paternal) & Mongel (Maternal) descent father. His mother was Russian. Kostya was born in Serov. A town in the Ural Moutains region of the former Soviet Union (USSR). Now Russia.


Since Kostya emigrated to Australia. Despite him being a transplant.


Kostya still can classify as an "Australian".

Plenty of fighters from foreign countries move to the States during their pro careers; I still classify them as (insert nationality).
Arguello moved to Florida; he's still a Nicaraguan as far as my ranking of him.

[SamWise72]

So we're saying Jeff Fenech, who was undefeated world champ at 3 weights and took an ATG to the wire at his 4th in Azumah Nelson is in the same bracket as Mark De Mori, who has not fought a single person from any organisation's top 10, and yet has a first round knockout against him? That seems legit....

[Rover]

So we're saying Jeff Fenech, who was undefeated world champ at 3 weights and took an ATG to the wire at his 4th in Azumah Nelson is in the same bracket as Mark De Mori, who has not fought a single person from any organisation's top 10, and yet has a first round knockout against him? That seems legit....

Wow, when you put it like that...yikes!

[Boilermaker]

First Bracket
Bob Fitzsimmons, Peter Jackson, YOung Griffo, Les Darcy, Kostya Tszyu, Jeff Fennech

Second Bracket
Lionel Rose, Johnny Famechon, Jimmy Carruthers, Dave Sands, Jim hall, Paddy Slavin

Third Bracket
Jeff Harding, Tony Mundine, Lester Ellis, Barry Michael, Joe Goddard,

Fourth Bracket
Rocky Mattioli, Joe Bugner, Ambrose Palmer, Anthony Mundine, Danny Green, Paul Briggs, Vic Darchinyan Many more at this level

Fifth Bracket
Troy Waters, Brian Jannssen, Jeff Malcolm, Tommy Burns Many more at this level

Sixth Bracket
Shane Knox, Tony Miller, Ronald Doo, Renaldo Cornett, Guy Waters, Sam Soloman many more

Seventh Bracket
many more

Eight Bracket.
I am sorry, but even here it is hard to include the likes of Mark Demori and Solomon Haumono. I doubt these types of guys make the top 10,000 fighters. Solomon for example, wouldnt even be the best fighter Australia has produced with the Haumono surname. And i am a pretty big fan of his.

[Rover]

First Bracket
Bob Fitzsimmons, Peter Jackson, YOung Griffo, Les Darcy, Kostya Tszyu, Jeff Fennech

Second Bracket
Lionel Rose, Johnny Famechon, Jimmy Carruthers, Dave Sands, Jim hall, Paddy Slavin

Third Bracket
Jeff Harding, Tony Mundine, Lester Ellis, Barry Michael, Joe Goddard,

Fourth Bracket
Rocky Mattioli, Joe Bugner, Ambrose Palmer, Anthony Mundine, Danny Green, Paul Briggs, Vic Darchinyan Many more at this level

Fifth Bracket
Troy Waters, Brian Jannssen, Jeff Malcolm, Tommy Burns Many more at this level

Sixth Bracket
Shane Knox, Tony Miller, Ronald Doo, Renaldo Cornett, Guy Waters, Sam Soloman many more

Seventh Bracket
many more

Eight Bracket.
I am sorry, but even here it is hard to include the likes of Mark Demori and Solomon Haumono. I doubt these types of guys make the top 10,000 fighters. Solomon for example, wouldnt even be the best fighter Australia has produced with the Haumono surname. And i am a pretty big fan of his.

Good list, though I wouldn't rate Harding over Vic.

[Boilermaker]

I think you are right, Vic probably should go up into the next bracket.

[Rover]

I think you are right, Vic probably should go up into the next bracket.

I liked Harding, don't get me wrong. Exciting fighter.