Froch/Kessler and undercard RBR.

[sucracristo]

Ward should get a taste of some hostile grounds. Kessler didn't mind going to the UK for this rematch.

so he should fight in england to get a taste of hostile grounds and pay millions more in taxes...
as long as you put it like that.
the difference between denmark and england is not comparable to the difference between vegas and england.

[EduardosFist]

Ward should take a trip just once in his career. But he's too much of a pussy to do so. He can keep his strong Oakland fanbase (aka his family) and be happy I suppose.

[EduardosFist]

Ward should get a taste of some hostile grounds. Kessler didn't mind going to the UK for this rematch.

So? Ward beat Froch easily. Ward doesn't need Froch. It's the other way around if anything.

Um, Ward is more interested in the rematch than Froch is, you tard.

[Rover]

Ward should get a taste of some hostile grounds. Kessler didn't mind going to the UK for this rematch.

So? Ward beat Froch easily. Ward doesn't need Froch. It's the other way around if anything.

Um, Ward is more interested in the rematch than Froch is, you tard.

And you base this on what?
Froch has a loss to avenge, not Ward.

[Rover]

Ward should take a trip just once in his career. But he's too much of a pussy to do so. He can keep his strong Oakland fanbase (aka his family) and be happy I suppose.

Any response to sucracristo's point about taxes, or are you just interested in calling Ward names?
It isn't like there was controversy in Ward/Froch I; I haven't seen any scores for Froch.

[Blodhemn]

Taxes? That has to be the first time in I've ever heard of that as an excuse.

[Butterbean]

wtf... was Kessler on about in first three rounds. he lost the fight right there. loosing those 3 first rounds clearly cost him the match. Both men showed amazing chins imo, and froch had kessler wobbled more times than kessler wobbled froch. But oh man what is frochs chin made of. Kessler hit him several times so fvcking hard it would have floored an elephant, and froch hardly looked stunned. I was amazed froch didnt go down. Froch was also good at nicking the rounds late on. score ranging from a draw to 117 - 114 ish, for froch is ok if you ask me. kessler kind a threw this one away with his poor start if you ask me. and why didnt kessler throw his straight right at all this time. neither for head or body. weird ?

[Tanzio]

Taxes? That has to be the first time in I've ever heard of that as an excuse.

Isn't that one of the reasons why Pac is fighting in Macau?

That said, if Ward really wants to build a following he should go kick Froch's ass in England. It would probably be outdoor stadium worthy over there, and even if he got robbed it would do wonders for his esteem in the USA, and around the world.

And it would certainly be his biggest payday by far, up to that point.

[dajuggernaut]

Um, Ward is more interested in the rematch than Froch is, you tard.

Can't prove that at all...

[dajuggernaut]

Ward should take a trip just once in his career. But he's too much of a pussy to do so. He can keep his strong Oakland fanbase (aka his family) and be happy I suppose.

Too pussy, but he already beat the guy handily, 3000 miles from Oakland yup, you make a lot of sense.

Froch wants another loss on his record then he can come to the champs home. If not, he can always hold that "hypothetical" win over Ward in the UK

[Emil]

Ward is higher rated, Ward already beat him at a neutral site.

Froch can come to Oakland if he wants to lose again.

So with that logic Froch-Kessler II was also held at a neutral site, right?

[dajuggernaut]

Ward is higher rated, Ward already beat him at a neutral site.

Froch can come to Oakland if he wants to lose again.

So with that logic Froch-Kessler II was also held at a neutral site, right?

No, it was 150 miles from Froch's hometown.

Atlantic City is 3000 miles from Ward's hometown.

I don't think I have to explain the difference between 150 and 3000. It's a bit longer...

Try picking something 3000 miles away if you want to make a similar comparison.

[Emil]

Ward is higher rated, Ward already beat him at a neutral site.

Froch can come to Oakland if he wants to lose again.

So with that logic Froch-Kessler II was also held at a neutral site, right?

No, it was 150 miles from Froch's hometown.

Atlantic City is 3000 miles from Ward's hometown.

I don't think I have to explain the difference between 150 and 3000. It's a bit longer...

Try picking something 3000 miles away if you want to make a similar comparison.

England is smaller.... and England is still England and USA is still USA. I don´t think I have to explain the difference between England and USA

[Tanzio]

So with that logic Froch-Kessler II was also held at a neutral site, right?

No, it was 150 miles from Froch's hometown.

Atlantic City is 3000 miles from Ward's hometown.

I don't think I have to explain the difference between 150 and 3000. It's a bit longer...

Try picking something 3000 miles away if you want to make a similar comparison.

England is smaller.... and England is still England and USA is still USA. I don´t think I have to explain the difference between England and USA

England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

[Emil]

England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

[SNG]

England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

You think people in the USA from east to west, north to south coasts are different enough to compare to the difference in culture and language between England and the Ukraine or Greece? Seriously?

[Butterbean]

England is smaller than many states in the USA. Ward fighting on the east coast of the USA is more similar to Froch fighting in Athens or the eastern Ukraine. And that is a better comparison, European Union to USA, because the people of the USA are very different from coast to coast and north to south.

That said, I would like to see Ward go to England and kick Froch's ass.

So you are saying that people in the US living on different coasts are more different that an a brit and a ukrainian???
Do they speak different languages, having different cultures on the west coast compared to the east coats and most important are they not americans??

Dont argue with thhese guys about ward and geografi. Its a lost cause. They know nothing about anything outside their own borders has no ability to compare things like this.

[Lenny Cravats]

We understand geography just fine, you seem to fail to comprehend that we are the United States of America, meaning each state is like it's own seperate country. We are bound by our language, but I am surely not gonna root for some guy from Oakland just because he lives in the same country as me.

If the guy was from Ohio I would be more likely to hate him.

Most of us aren't too different from your average Canadian, but it's still a different country.

Fighting 150 miles away from anyone's hometown in England is probably as big of a hometown advantage as you can possibly get on this planet within that distance.

Why in the fvck would the guy that beat Froch come to his hometown for the rematch when said guy is still undefeated and on top of the division (and arguably on top of boxing)?

Not really on board with that, D.
Americans are regarded as one of the most Nationalist/patriotic nations in the Western Hemisphere. True, you're always going to have domestic rivalry, just as us Sheffielders dislike those from Leeds, Geordies don't like Mackams and everyone hates Scousers, but we, just like you, get together in support of our national teams or representatives when they're facing one from another country.

As to the last point, I agree. Ward coming over to England? Ward is the recognised champion, he has more bargaining than Froch.
Still, the way I see it, Ward is the best in terms of ability in the division. Froch however, is so much more exciting. I've no interest in watching Ward-Froch II. Wherever it is, Ward will beat him in a pretty dull contest. Better off setting Froch up for exciting fights, after all, that's why I watch the sport.

[Emil]

So if an american fighter is not fighting in his home state the spectators will cheer for the foreign fighter, is that what you are saying? I mean we are still talking about an american fighter against a foreign fighter fighting in the USA. And it is not just about the crowd as we so often see in boxing...

[dajuggernaut]

We understand geography just fine, you seem to fail to comprehend that we are the United States of America, meaning each state is like it's own seperate country. We are bound by our language, but I am surely not gonna root for some guy from Oakland just because he lives in the same country as me.

If the guy was from Ohio I would be more likely to hate him.

Most of us aren't too different from your average Canadian, but it's still a different country.

Fighting 150 miles away from anyone's hometown in England is probably as big of a hometown advantage as you can possibly get on this planet within that distance.

Why in the fvck would the guy that beat Froch come to his hometown for the rematch when said guy is still undefeated and on top of the division (and arguably on top of boxing)?

Wards home is in Oakland. I don't think somewhere 3000 miles away can be considered a "home" fight.

[dajuggernaut]

So if an american fighter is not fighting in his home state the spectators will cheer for the foreign fighter, is that what you are saying? I mean we are still talking about an american fighter against a foreign fighter fighting in the USA. And it is not just about the crowd as we so often see in boxing...

I don't know who cheers for what. Go to a fight and ask them.

Hey D tell them about the Armenians in Detroit for the Abraham fight.

They speak the same language, it's a home fight? What?

[SNG]

What does the distance have to do with it? Ward fighting Froch in Atlantic City makes Ward the home fighter, regardless of the distance.

[dajuggernaut]

What does the distance have to do with it? Ward fighting Froch in Atlantic City makes Ward the home fighter, regardless of the distance.

His home is in Oakland.

Atlantic City is 3000 miles away. His home isn't Atlantic City.

[dajuggernaut]

One hell of a trip home, wonder if he took a cab.

[SNG]

What does the distance have to do with it? Ward fighting Froch in Atlantic City makes Ward the home fighter, regardless of the distance.

His home is in Oakland.

Atlantic City is 3000 miles away. His home isn't Atlantic City.

Again, the distance is an irrelevance. We're talking about a fighter from the US fighting in his own country against a fighter from another country, only one fighter can be considered as the home fighter in that instance, regardless of how far his actual home is. Or are you suggesting that a Canadian fighter who lives closer to New York than a fighter from California should be considered the home fighter if the two fought at Madison Square Garden?