Froch/Kessler and undercard RBR.

[dajuggernaut]

Actually the fight was made in AC on purpose so it wasn't a fight home for Ward. If they wanted to make it a home fight for Ward it would have been Oakland, which would have made more sense from a financial standpoint. The promoters wanted to be as fair as possible though.

To answer your question, no, neither is the home fighter, it's neutral, like I've been saying.

So if Kessler fights Ward in Denmark, but on the other side of the country that his hometown, Kessler doesn't have the hometown advantage??? GTFO.

Read Tanzio's post from the last page, it explained everything perfectly.

Would you consider both sides of Denmark to be the same culturally as both sides as the United States? I'll save you some time and answer for you, of course you don't.

There's almost as many people in my county than in the entire country of Denmark. Terrible comparison.

[Lenny Cravats]

I wonder what happens when the USA team take part in the Olympics.

Pretty much the same thing as what happens with any other team. In fact, at home, huge swaths of people in the USA would be cheering for their home country teams: Mexicans, Russians, etc.

Well, yes. Same here. But for those that are supporting the American team, do you only cheer for the individual American representatives that are no more than whatever the distance from Oklahoma to Atlantic City is?

Cus if that distance equates to a 'neutral' sporting arena for an American, so long as it's from his hometown, against someone of another nationality entirely, then presumably you wouldn't support American athletes in the Olympics.

[Tanzio]

Not if he is a citizen of the United Kingdom, has a valid passport, and is planning on staying for less than 90 days, in the vast majority of cases.

That is the problem with Euro-centrics; you assume you know more than others.

Khan was stuck in Canada with visa problems prior to fighting Mallignaggi, Martin Murray had a fight against JCCjr fall through because he couldn't secure a visa to fight in the US.

It does depend on your passport. If Froch's passport is not United Kingdom, or he has been prosecuted (not even convicted) for criminal behavior, then certainly he would need a visa.

Similar problems can result when traveling within the USA. Ask Guerrero about it. Each state has different laws, and it is important to know the laws of the state to which you are traveling before you transport certain material that may be legal in the state you are traveling from.

Again, I am of the opinion that Ward should go to England and fight Froch in a stadium somewhere. Win, lose or draw (officially) would be good for his career.

[Lenny Cravats]

And Tanzio's description was good in terms of culture difference, yes, but everywhere has this (The difference between East and West London may as well be 6000 miles - and I live about 15 miles from Bradford) but as far as I'm aware, the rest of the world's definition of a home fight would be in the fighters' resident country.

[Tanzio]

I wonder what happens when the USA team take part in the Olympics.

Pretty much the same thing as what happens with any other team. In fact, at home, huge swaths of people in the USA would be cheering for their home country teams: Mexicans, Russians, etc.

Well, yes. Same here. But for those that are supporting the American team, do you only cheer for the individual American representatives that are no more than whatever the distance from Oklahoma to Atlantic City is?

Cus if that distance equates to a 'neutral' sporting arena for an American, so long as it's from his hometown, against someone of another nationality entirely, then presumably you wouldn't support American athletes in the Olympics.

It is not that simple in the USA. The Mexican American population is very supportive of Mexican sports figures. It is a massive population in the USA, greater than the populations of the majority of nations on earth.

There are nearly 3 million Russian born residents of the USA alone. That does not include their American born children, or those from other members of the former Soviet Union, like the Ukraine and the Stans. Most that I have ever met are very supportive of their home country team.

There are large populations of European countries, African countries, South American countries, etc. represented in the USA and they tend to support their home country teams.

All of that said, there is certainly national pride, but it is more watered down by state and regional pride given the size and organization of the nation.

[Tanzio]

And Tanzio's description was good in terms of culture difference, yes, but everywhere has this (The difference between East and West London may as well be 6000 miles - and I live about 15 miles from Bradford) but as far as I'm aware, the rest of the world's definition of a home fight would be in the fighters' resident country.

The entire population of the United Kingdom is not that much greater than the Mexican American population (alone) in the USA.

[Butterbean]

Why dont u us guys claiming ward isnt fighting at home, explain to me why, when watching bouts from the us, featuring a us fighter fighting a non us citizen, you always hear the crowd chanting;" USA USA USA". I just dont get it then, whom are they rooting for when yelling that ?, or are they just asuring each other that they still are on us soil ?

[Lenny Cravats]

It is not that simple in the USA. The Mexican American population is very supportive of Mexican sports figures. It is a massive population in the USA, greater than the populations of the majority of nations on earth.

There are nearly 3 million Russian born residents of the USA alone. That does not include their American born children, or those from other members of the former Soviet Union, like the Ukraine and the Stans. Most that I have ever met are very supportive of their home country team.

There are large populations of European countries, African countries, South American countries, etc. represented in the USA and they tend to support their home country teams.

All of that said, there is certainly national pride, but it is more watered down by state and regional pride given the size and organization of the nation.

I completely agree with that, and on the topic of Ward fighting at the other side of the USA of course we wouldn't think it was in his hometown, but to go as far as to call it a neutral venue? No chance.

[kevo]

America sucks. Boo America.

[dajuggernaut]

Why dont u us guys claiming ward isnt fighting at home, explain to me why, when watching bouts from the us, featuring a us fighter fighting a non us citizen, you always hear the crowd chanting;" USA USA USA". I just dont get it then, whom are they rooting for when yelling that ?, or are they just asuring each other that they still are on us soil ?

Were they chanting that in the Ward fight?

[JCS]

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this...

But if Ward/Froch DID take place in Atlantic City... you've got to figure that most of the US-based spectators don't give a sh1t about Ward, they just want to see a good fight. Outside of the Bay Area and the boxing circles, nobody cares about Andre Ward. On the other hand ALL of the European fans, especially those from the UK will be pulling for Froch. Europeans tend to travel. Americans tend not to travel... you can bet there would be huge support for Froch.

[gilgamesh]

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this...

But if Ward/Froch DID take place in Atlantic City... you've got to figure that most of the US-based spectators don't give a sh1t about Ward, they just want to see a good fight. Outside of the Bay Area and the boxing circles, nobody cares about Andre Ward. On the other hand ALL of the European fans, especially those from the UK will be pulling for Froch. Europeans tend to travel. Americans tend not to travel... you can bet there would be huge support for Froch.

Yep I believe if they fought on the East Coast in the U.S. the crowd support would be 50/50

[JCS]

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this...

But if Ward/Froch DID take place in Atlantic City... you've got to figure that most of the US-based spectators don't give a sh1t about Ward, they just want to see a good fight. Outside of the Bay Area and the boxing circles, nobody cares about Andre Ward. On the other hand ALL of the European fans, especially those from the UK will be pulling for Froch. Europeans tend to travel. Americans tend not to travel... you can bet there would be huge support for Froch.

Yep I believe if they fought on the East Coast in the U.S. the crowd support would be 50/50

Or better for Froch. I have American friends who like Froch and don't like Ward. I don't know anyone who especially likes Ward.

[sucracristo]

Americans are regarded as one of the most Nationalist/patriotic nations in the Western Hemisphere....but we, just like you, get together in support of our national teams or representatives when they're facing one from another country.

so paquiao and all the mexican, irish, russian, african, etc, fighters in the united states
are treated like the away team? there is no nationalism whatsoever in boxing in the united
states, nor anything else. i don't think mayweather v pac would would have a single person
yelling "usa". at the same time it is YOU who is claiming you cheer for your countrymen, and
you guys boo during other countries foreign national anthems and knife dutch soccer hooligans
during world cup matches, etc. ironically it was european nationalism that started 2 world wars
and it's probably worse, today. your inferiority complex is showing. there would be no nationalism
supporting ward or any other boxer facing froch in the united states and you admit the brits
would all be behind froch waiving their union jacks and singing that annoying soccer cheer
whenever froch moved one of his arms and they would be paraising froch on how well he represented
britain if he didn't get ko'd. you KNOW froch would lose, too, because ward is the better boxer.

[sucracristo]

Why dont u us guys claiming ward isnt fighting at home, explain to me why, when watching bouts from the us, featuring a us fighter fighting a non us citizen, you always hear the crowd chanting;" USA USA USA".

name a specific bout where you heard that outside of the olympics.

[sucracristo]

I don't see how you could have Kessler ahead at any point, unless you think he won the 1st or something..

i commented on every round, and you are wrong, and you are admitting you don't know what
you are talking about because it is in this thread.

[Lenny Cravats]

Why dont u us guys claiming ward isnt fighting at home, explain to me why, when watching bouts from the us, featuring a us fighter fighting a non us citizen, you always hear the crowd chanting;" USA USA USA".

name a specific bout where you heard that outside of the olympics.

Well, this should close the case once and for all.

Jerrmaine Taylor Vs Carl Froch.


Crowd chanting 'USA' in round 3 as Froch is on the floor.

Also, it was 1500 miles away from Little Rock, so according to some, should have been a 'neutral' venue.

[sucracristo]

Taxes? That has to be the first time in I've ever heard of that as an excuse.

ok, there is a link in the comment full of quotes from famous athletes from around the world.
arum said after either pac-marquezIII or bradley that there are only a few states IN THIS COUNTRY
that big fights can take place in because of the TAXES. other promotors have said the same.
putting a at the end of a comment that admits you have never heard of something
that is a really big issue in international sports just emphasises that you whenever
you have no knowledge of the subject because you think is an intelligent comment.
why do you think european tennis players all have monaco residency is it isn't an issue?
why do you think the big fights are in vegas? read the bbc article linked to the comment.
it's like saying, "millions dollars are excuse to effect business decisions? how silly!"

[dajuggernaut]

So...was USA chanted during the Ward fight or no?

[sucracristo]

Why dont u us guys claiming ward isnt fighting at home, explain to me why, when watching bouts from the us, featuring a us fighter fighting a non us citizen, you always hear the crowd chanting;" USA USA USA".

name a specific bout where you heard that outside of the olympics.

Well, this should close the case once and for all.

Jerrmaine Taylor Vs Carl Froch.


Crowd chanting 'USA' in round 3 as Froch is on the floor.

Also, it was 1500 miles away from Little Rock, so according to some, should have been a 'neutral' venue.

ok, good call if that's how it went down. i honestly have watched hundreds of pro fights
over the decades and have never heard it once. for some reason when you said that it
made me laugh because it's so absurd to chant that it's almost funny.
i'll try to look into why they did that but i'm sure there was a story behind it. to say that
is a regular occurance is just not very familiar with american reality. half the people in my
neighborhood, and most of the hoods i have lived in, have been people born somewhere else
and if you add in where the parents were born that's most people. outside the olympics
where people are competing for their countries, i honestly have never heard it and no way
is that a common thing, certainly not to the extent it takes place in euroland

[sucracristo]

Jerrmaine Taylor Vs Carl Froch.

froch was wearing union jack trunks and taylor was wearing american flag trunks
and the whole thing was being played up as part of the promotion. it's a good call
that you actually came up with a fight where usa was chanted in an american boxing
match, though, because the original comment from someone else, can't remember,
said it happened in every fight and i couldn't remember ANY. that said, again, it
was being promoted as usa vs uk, like the contender uk challenge in nottingham
when you had all the comments about spanking yanks, etc. it's just part of the
hype for a specific event and you would be hard pressed to EVER hear that under
normal circumstances during ANY athletic event in the usa. it just doesn't happen

[Blodhemn]

Taxes? That has to be the first time in I've ever heard of that as an excuse.

ok, there is a link in the comment full of quotes from famous athletes from around the world.
arum said after either pac-marquezIII or bradley that there are only a few states IN THIS COUNTRY
that big fights can take place in because of the TAXES. other promotors have said the same.
putting a at the end of a comment that admits you have never heard of something
that is a really big issue in international sports just emphasises that you whenever
you have no knowledge of the subject because you think is an intelligent comment.
why do you think european tennis players all have monaco residency is it isn't an issue?
why do you think the big fights are in vegas? read the bbc article linked to the comment.
it's like saying, "millions dollars are excuse to effect business decisions? how silly!"

Oh you thilly gooth.

I'm not talking about promoters, I'm simply talking about so called boxing fans, who care more about the money of their favorite boxers than the actual boxing itself. So n so won't fight....cos of the taxes!

[Blodhemn]

Jerrmaine Taylor Vs Carl Froch.

froch was wearing union jack trunks and taylor was wearing american flag trunks
and the whole thing was being played up as part of the promotion. it's a good call
that you actually came up with a fight where usa was chanted in an american boxing
match, though, because the original comment from someone else, can't remember,
said it happened in every fight and i couldn't remember ANY. that said, again, it
was being promoted as usa vs uk, like the contender uk challenge in nottingham
when you had all the comments about spanking yanks, etc. it's just part of the
hype for a specific event and you would be hard pressed to EVER hear that under
normal circumstances during ANY athletic event in the usa. it just doesn't happen

Bradley - Provodnikov had plenty of USA USA chants. Retarded Americans still think the Cold War is on.

[gilgamesh]

I've never got to go to a big fight, but I'd be rooting for my favorite fighter no matter where he was from...and I doubt very much I'd be chanting USA even to support an American fighter.

I'd be chanting his name.

It's rare that I'm rooting for the American these days though. When Bradley fought Provodnikov, I was up and screaming everytime Provo had him rocked because I wanted him to knock Bradley out...not because I don't like Bradley, but because I'm a big Provo fan.

Matthysse vs Peterson. I was all for Matthysse in that bout and I was excited to see him smoke Peterson the way he did. To me it seems fairly ridiculous to support a fighter just because he's from your home country or whatever. To me I support the guy that just appeals to me as a fight fan for whatever reason.

[sucracristo]

I'm not talking about promoters, I'm simply talking about so called boxing fans, who care more about the money of their favorite boxers than the actual boxing itself. So n so won't fight....cos of the taxes!

i'm sorry to break this to you but your feelings are not their priority.
i know that hurts to consider, but millions of dollars affect sporting event decisions.
isn't this supposed to be all about the love?