Altered History with 15 Rounders

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Oct 2005, 04:10

Boxing fans got screwed when title fights were reduced from 15 rounds to 12 rounds (I can only imagine how depressed boxing fans were in the mid-1920's when title fights were reduced to 10 rounds briefly). And as such, many fights went on to have different results given the abbreviated distance. Come up with your best examples of fights that could have been different if they would have been over 15 rounds.

Here are some of mine:

Leonard-Hagler: (Leonard W 12) Hagler started too late for a 12 rounder, but would have pulled it out with 3 extra rounds

Leonard-Hearns II: (D 12) Although Leonard got a gift in a draw, he had Hearns teetering around the ring and would have ended the fight in the same fashion as the first

Whitaker-Chavez: (D 12) Maybe, just maybe, the judges give the extra three rounds to Whitaker to counter the horrible scoring through 12

Trinidad-de la Hoya: (Trinidad W 12) de la Hoya would have racked up a few more rounds before running like a track star

Mayorga-Forrest II: (Mayorga W 12) Mayorga was up on points but Forrest had the momentum and would have swept the final three to put him ahead on the cards

Taylor-Hopkins I: (Taylor W 12) Taylor was spent by round 10 and it was all Hopkins from there. Hopkins batters Taylor over the final nine minutes and possible scores a TKO

What are your thoughts and examples?

heartandsoulofboxing · Post by **heartandsoulofboxing** » 25 Oct 2005, 04:24

delahoya would have been knocked out if the trinidad fight had been scheduled for 15. he was gone after 8.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 25 Oct 2005, 05:22

Fenech TKO Azumah Nelson for his 4th title. Nelson was about to go down at the end of the 12th and there was an excellent chance he would have been stopped in the next 3 rounds

The higher up that Fenech went in weight the better the opponent for that title (not too sure if a rematch would have happened though)

A part of boxing history would definitely have been changed. Not a bad effort for a guy that started as a pro flyweight

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Oct 2005, 05:46

bollox wrote:Fenech TKO Azumah Nelson for his 4th title. Nelson was about to go down at the end of the 12th and there was an excellent chance he would have been stopped in the next 3 rounds

The higher up that Fenech went in weight the better the opponent for that title (not too sure if a rematch would have happened though)

A part of boxing history would definitely have been changed. Not a bad effort for a guy that started as a pro flyweight

If he didn't stop him he would have at least pulled ahead on the cards. Great example!

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 25 Oct 2005, 15:42

Doo koo kim would probably be here today if him and Mancini fought a 12 rounder

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 25 Oct 2005, 16:39

ShoeShine wrote:Doo koo kim would probably be here today if him and Mancini fought a 12 rounder

Not necessarily. He took a beating in that fight and probably would have collapsed afterwards.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 25 Oct 2005, 18:12

Their is nothing to suggest that Hagler would have came back and won the Leonard fight if given more time. If he would have rocked Leonard late in the bout you could make that argument. You could make the case that anyone's odds were better if you put more time on the clock when they were already behind. I don't remeber Hagler making any prefight prediction other than he planned to come out smokin, so by implying he would make a fast start he was aware of the situation with the number of rounds.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Oct 2005, 18:09

I think it's great that title fights are over 12 rounds now. You can't play with boxers health.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Nov 2005, 10:46

Locox

I appreciate your sentiment but I wonder how many less fatalities there have been over the 12 rounds course? Or how many of those previously were from rounds 13, 14 and 15. I do feel cheated that come the end of the 6th we are halfway through the fight.

12 rounds favours a different style of boxing. I wonder if on average more punches are thrown per round in 12 round fights than 15.

I'd like to see 15 rounds return as the norm for championship fights. Those final 3 rounds are everything.

What were the scores for Pryor-Arguello up to round 12? Somebody on the site will know...

Richie Aprille rules · Post by **Richie Aprille rules** » 01 Nov 2005, 15:08

Ezzard wrote:
What were the scores for Pryor-Arguello up to round 12? Somebody on the site will know...

At the time of the stoppage they were 127-124 for Pryor (x2) and 127-125 for Arguello, so Pryor was winning after the end of the 12th round

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 02 Nov 2005, 05:28

Richie Aprille rules wrote:
Ezzard wrote:
What were the scores for Pryor-Arguello up to round 12? Somebody on the site will know...
At the time of the stoppage they were 127-124 for Pryor (x2) and 127-125 for Arguello, so Pryor was winning after the end of the 12th round

Many thanks Richie