Froch options

[mickey1975]

Hows about this.....

he beats Stieglitz to take his WBO title

completes the kessler trilogy with a victory on neutral soil

destroys bika for the WBC title and cleans up all the belts in the division

fights Ward in nottigham and we scare the bejesus out of him and froch squeaks a tight home decision to gain the ring belt and no1 status

he beheads degale for being an argogant welt

rematches ward and wins to cement his place in the HoF

vacates all belts and steps up to light heavy, travels to wales, beats calzaghe in a long awaited grudge match, just to prove the "legacy" argument on boxrec

then fights cleverly who will, by then, have cleaned up the light heavy wieght division by picking up vacated titles and still never having fought an actual world champion. froch will hit him so many times, cleverly wont even be able to create a mathematical formula to calculate the punishment he's taken

once he has established himself as the greatest supermiddlewieght/lightheavywieght of the modern age, been involved in countless fight of the years and is loved by all, the darling of Sky and renowned around the world, he announces his last ever fight

he fights groves and loses and gives us something to really blame george for!

He would not destroy Bika, ever, and highly unlikely he would behead(your words) DeGale. Both have excellent chins and Carl is not a particularly hard puncher.

[palooka]

I had no considered DeGale but he would be a real handful for Froch though not just yet.

[stujones]

Dirrel might be a slime ball and a arsehole, but there is unfinished business there.

There was unfinished business at the time of the first fight, but since that time Dirrell has done nothing to demonstrate that he has earned or deserves a fight with Froch. In the time that Froch has lost and won against Kessler, lost to Ward and beaten Abraham, Johnson, Bute and Mack, Dirrell has had a semi-farcical victory over Abraham and little regarded wins over Williamson and Gbenga. To suggest that Frochs resume will lack something without Dirrell 2 is to vastly overrate Dirrells career since 2009.

Rob Reid didn't do too much post Calzaghe but people still say Calzaghe should have done the honourable thing.

And I feel most felt Dirrel was more hard done by Reid.

Completely agree that Dirrel has done nothing since, but the fact is most people seem to think Dirrel won the fight...think Froch needs to set the record straight.

[davie]

Hows about this.....

he beats Stieglitz to take his WBO title

completes the kessler trilogy with a victory on neutral soil

destroys bika for the WBC title and cleans up all the belts in the division

fights Ward in nottigham and we scare the bejesus out of him and froch squeaks a tight home decision to gain the ring belt and no1 status

he beheads degale for being an argogant welt

rematches ward and wins to cement his place in the HoF

vacates all belts and steps up to light heavy, travels to wales, beats calzaghe in a long awaited grudge match, just to prove the "legacy" argument on boxrec

then fights cleverly who will, by then, have cleaned up the light heavy wieght division by picking up vacated titles and still never having fought an actual world champion. froch will hit him so many times, cleverly wont even be able to create a mathematical formula to calculate the punishment he's taken

once he has established himself as the greatest supermiddlewieght/lightheavywieght of the modern age, been involved in countless fight of the years and is loved by all, the darling of Sky and renowned around the world, he announces his last ever fight

he fights groves and loses and gives us something to really blame george for!

He would not destroy Bika, ever, and highly unlikely he would behead(your words) DeGale. Both have excellent chins and Carl is not a particularly hard puncher.

Allow me to start by saying. wwhhhhooooshhhhh!

you kind of missed the tone of that post, didn't you

what surprizes me is that out of all the stuff in that post, the thing you pick up on were degale and bika

it seemed feasable to you, that he could beat ward twice and get calzaghe to come out of retirement after almost a decade.

but degale and bika? oh aye, thats the bit that's a step too far

[mickey1975]

No, it was the "destroy" part about Bika, who has one of the hardest heads in world boxing and the beheading of the solid chinned DeGale that set me off. Oh yeah, Froch is not the hardest puncher in the world either.

[tonyevs]

Cleverly is the only young Brit to have any chance to beat Froch. Groves & DeGale are nowhere ready quite yet.

Cleverly wins. And I think he'd make it look easier than most on here would ever think possible too.

[Horse]

Cleverly is the only young Brit to have any chance to beat Froch. Groves & DeGale are nowhere ready quite yet.

Cleverly wins. And I think he'd make it look easier than most on here would ever think possible too.

Cleverly struggled with Bellew and Mohammedi.

Cleverly's ability to easily beat fighters outside of the world's top 50 isn't enough to suggest he can beat Froch easily as well.

[MarkMcBurney]

Completely disagree with Cleverly. I think Froch would comfortably deal with him, whereas I think Groves would take him all the way to a close/split decision.

[davie]

No, it was the "destroy" part about Bika, who has one of the hardest heads in world boxing and the beheading of the solid chinned DeGale that set me off. Oh yeah, Froch is not the hardest puncher in the world either.

ok mickey, let me spell this out for you.

I was being sarcastic, my entire post was farcical, nonsensical.
it was just a little story, building up an imaginary perfect froch resume, leading up to me making a crack about groves spoiling it all and us all having something to blame him for.
IT WAS A JOKE

was it funny, probably not, but i thought you 'd have at least have twigged when i spelled it out to you in my next post, hence the wwwhhhoooooshhh.....

in a serious response to what you're discussing
as it happens i think carl beats bika and degale. would he destroy or decapitate either, probably not
but i think the likelyhood of him getting a comfortable win against either is still more likely than him getting any sort of win against ward

for me, carl beats anyone except ward, at supermiddle just now and for the next couple years
if he loses to anyone else it's because he'll eventually get too old to fight at the pace he sets or one of the up and coming guys like Oosthuizen, degale or groves improves significantly. i rate both groves and degale and have seen almost all of their fights, but they are not at carls level just now

[davie]

Cleverly is the only young Brit to have any chance to beat Froch. Groves & DeGale are nowhere ready quite yet.

Cleverly wins. And I think he'd make it look easier than most on here would ever think possible too.

if you want to beat froch your going to need a far better defense than nathan cleverly. far too open to deal with the bombardment that would come from froch

[Jack B]

I wouldn't call Bika a soft touch!

OK, soft touch may be a little harsh, but after the Lacy annihilation he was a mediocre opponent and the fight had an underwhelming feel to it when announced....

Comparing it to the present day, it would be like Froch following up the weekend's win with a fight against........... Sakio Bika.

My basic point is that Froch-Groves is a decent fight, given the domestic angle etc. that can be used to hype it, in a similar manner to how Calzaghe-Froch would have been had they fought during that period in 2006-7. If the fight doesn't happen, fair enough, but I'd be disappointed if Carl then fought opponents of a similar level (Oozthuizen, Rodriguez etc.).

I stand by my argument that after Ward II, Kessler III or Stieglitz, Groves is the best fight for Carl at 168 (that might realistically happen).

[ejruane]

Ward.

Reasons?

Three reasons.

1) Revenge = immense satisfaction.

2) You won't take a beating.

3) Win and you are the best - NO arguments, which means any other fights are pointless.

So one fight then retire.

A tough ask?

Very, he's tricky, but take your time, go on hols, make a plan how to beat him and..see what happens

[liamlion]

There is no point in a rematch with Ward. Froch will never win it, he is just too slow.

I love Froch, he is a warrior but Ward is just too classy - home advantage for Froch wouldn't change the dynamics IMO.

My heart says Ward rematch to try and set the record straight but my head says Froch-Kessler 3

[Final round]

I wouldn't call Bika a soft touch!

OK, soft touch may be a little harsh, but after the Lacy annihilation he was a mediocre opponent and the fight had an underwhelming feel to it when announced....

Comparing it to the present day, it would be like Froch following up the weekend's win with a fight against........... Sakio Bika.

My basic point is that Froch-Groves is a decent fight, given the domestic angle etc. that can be used to hype it, in a similar manner to how Calzaghe-Froch would have been had they fought during that period in 2006-7. If the fight doesn't happen, fair enough, but I'd be disappointed if Carl then fought opponents of a similar level (Oozthuizen, Rodriguez etc.).

I stand by my argument that after Ward II, Kessler III or Stieglitz, Groves is the best fight for Carl at 168 (that might realistically happen).

Fair nuff, actually Bika is a better opponent than Yusef Mack or was. Not sure of his current form since the Ward scrap though. I agree a Groves scrap would be a good one for the few rounds it lasted but at the moment Froch could ruin him he's too seasoned determined, dangerous. and as a fan I want to see GG go on to big things.

I blame George Groves for impressing with his performances to the point where he's getting touted at top level.