Froch/Kessler and undercard RBR.

[dajuggernaut]

You pick it, it's your example.

If you think my argument is "pretty much crowd" you're going to have to re-read this thread again.

Someone want to help this guy out?

Oh yeah, and mileage.

Now you're getting it.

[SNG]

Pretty much your argument is crowd. Very simple. However, I don't think it's that simple.

he has an argument. the opposing arguments about whoppers being different in the usa
are not arguments. if there was an argument that explained what kind of an
advantage ward would really have, after all these pages, maybe somebody
might give the argument credit. the northeast united states started off as british
colonies and a 2nd war had to be fought because britain in the 1800's was still claiming
that crews of us ships were british subjects. look at the names of the states and
cities and towns. listen to new englanders talk. even attitudes about politics are
more similar in northeastern usa and britain than the other parts of the states.
any differences froch would notice at all are completely superficial.
east coast is as much a neutral site as you are going to get outside of maybe macao

Here's the problem, not one person has been arguing that Ward had an advantage. It's painfully obvious now that you're arguing over two different interpretations of the word 'home'. You assume that people are calling Ward the home fighter as in he had an hometown advantage in AC, what people are actually saying is that he's the home fighter in the sense that AC is more familiar to him socially/culturally than it was/would be for Froch or any other foreign fighter.

[dajuggernaut]

A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

[sucracristo]

Pretty much your argument is crowd. Very simple. However, I don't think it's that simple.

he has an argument. the opposing arguments about whoppers being different in the usa
are not arguments. if there was an argument that explained what kind of an
advantage ward would really have, after all these pages, maybe somebody
might give the argument credit. the northeast united states started off as british
colonies and a 2nd war had to be fought because britain in the 1800's was still claiming
that crews of us ships were british subjects. look at the names of the states and
cities and towns. listen to new englanders talk. even attitudes about politics are
more similar in northeastern usa and britain than the other parts of the states.
any differences froch would notice at all are completely superficial.
east coast is as much a neutral site as you are going to get outside of maybe macao

Here's the problem, not one person has been arguing that Ward had an advantage. It's painfully obvious now that you're arguing over two different interpretations of the word 'home'. You assume that people are calling Ward the home fighter as in he had an hometown advantage in AC, what people are actually saying is that he's the home fighter in the sense that AC is more familiar to him socially/culturally than it was/would be for Froch or any other foreign fighter.

AGAIN, with the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
just spell it out. we are going around in circles with you people talking about
what things aren't and how things are more complicated. it's like a community
college philosophy class. other than britain and the united states, where do you
want the fight?

[SNG]

A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

Well, I earlier specifically made a point of not using the phrase 'hometown' because it does imply the advantage, for me personally it's about geography, Ward is the home fighter simply because he's fighting in his own country. No matter how far away that is it's going to be easier than fighting in a foreign country.

The Cuban question earlier in the thread about a fight in Miami was an interesting one, what is the passport status of fighters like Rigondioux/Gamboa?

[SNG]

AGAIN, with the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
just spell it out. we are going around in circles with you people talking about
what things aren't and how things are more complicated. it's like a community
college philosophy class. other than britain and the united states, where do you
want the fight?

What?

[dajuggernaut]

A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

Compare the feeling you would have landing in your own country to landing in China vs Froch. Would you feel more at home in one or the other?

I wouldn't know either of those feelings. I'm from Chicago. I went to Los Angeles in February before, it was nothing like home.

[sucracristo]

A home fight assumes an advantage. Don't call it that then.

Say they fought at a place thousands of miles from their home that spanned multiple time zones for each. Or another way to put it, a neutral site.

Unless Ward gets that same warm feeling looking out his plane window in Atlantic City, then all bets are off.

Compare the feeling you would have landing in your own country to landing in China vs Froch. Would you feel more at home in one or the other?

war v froch in macao is about as neutral as you can get

[sucracristo]

I agree. Now let's dance on a pin head like some angels.

please just not the tango. i have two left feet

[sucracristo]

I agree. Now let's dance on a pin head like some angels.

please just not the tango. i have two left feet

You live in FL currently sucra?

was it my shameless advocacy for the fight to be in florida that gave me away?

[sucracristo]

You live in FL currently sucra?

was it my shameless advocacy for the fight to be in florida that gave me away?

No. Your location states you are surrounded by Palmetto bugs. I grew up in Daytona. Miss the beach immensely.

believe it not there are a few things i miss about the winters. it's easy enough just to fly
up to visit and not have to deal with living through them, though.

[sucracristo]

It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

i have felt more at home in britian and ireland than i felt in many parts of the states,
and i am an american. that's what hit me the hardest arriving at basic training
back in the day. they take all these different people from all over and make them
work as a unit. i have tried to explain this to relatives and friends who grew
up in other countries, and the different counties of ireland and shires of england are
not comparable.

[SNG]

It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

i have felt more at home in britian and ireland than i felt in many parts of the states,
and i am an american. that's what hit me the hardest arriving at basic training
back in the day. they take all these different people from all over and make them
work as a unit. i have tried to explain this to relatives and friends who grew
up in other countries, and the different counties of ireland and shires of england are
not comparable.

Shires? What century did you write this message in?

[Emil]

It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

Of course not everyone would and of course not every American feels "at home" in their home town either.
But still Ward-Froch in Atlantic city were not a neutral location.

[dajuggernaut]

It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

Exactly. I've left the Midwest twice in my life, Los Angeles and Mobile, Alabama. The only time I felt like home when when I actually got home.

[Emil]

It's more than ridiculously stupid to assume every American should feel "at home" anywhere in the United States.

Exactly. I've left the Midwest twice in my life, Los Angeles and Mobile, Alabama. The only time I felt like home when when I actually got home.[/quote
How strange!!!
Would you feel more familiar going to sporting event or compete yourself ine one in let's say Atlantic city or Manchester England?

[dajuggernaut]

Couldn't say for sure.

[Emil]

Couldn't say for sure.

What do you think then? Do you think an american athlete that lived his whole life
in the US and represented USA in the Olympics would feel more familiar fighting in Atlantic city
or in the UK?

[dajuggernaut]

Couldn't say for sure.

What do you think then? Do you think an american athlete that lived his whole life
in the US and represented USA in the Olympics would feel more familiar fighting in Atlantic city
or in the UK?

Before Froch he never fought in Atlantic City or England, they would equally be unfamiliar places to him.

[Emil]

Couldn't say for sure.

What do you think then? Do you think an american athlete that lived his whole life
in the US and represented USA in the Olympics would feel more familiar fighting in Atlantic city
or in the UK?

Before Froch he never fought in Atlantic City or England, they would equally be unfamiliar places to him.

Doubt it.....

[dajuggernaut]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22739853

Froch "kind of" considers Vegas a neutral venue. Wonder his thoughts on Atlantic City. Surely he can't consider that a home fight for Ward and would also consider that to be neutral too.

[dajuggernaut]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/22739853

Froch "kind of" considers Vegas a neutral venue. Wonder his thoughts on Atlantic City. Surely he can't consider Vegas a neutral fight and consider Atlantic City to be a home fight.

[dajuggernaut]

[Emil]

With the arguments presented in this thread you could also argue that in many cases having Ward fighting a Chinese fighter in China could also be a neutral venue...

[dajuggernaut]

With the arguments presented in this thread you could also argue that in many cases having Ward fighting a Chinese fighter in China could also be a neutral venue...

The Chinese people would most definitely root for the Chinese fighter. Very different than the AC crowd rooting for Ward.

Awful example.