Larry O gets his licence back.

[mickey1975]

He will be back, and it will be interesting. He may not be technically the best due to his late start, but he is still capable if KO'ing any British heavyweight. That size restricted him. He came out of prison, went into bodybuilding where steroids are the norm, then fell into boxing, but forgot to stop the steroids. It's not right at all no as he had a responsibilty as a pro licence holder, but I can see how he never adjusted his lifestyle fully.

I believe he has learnt from his mistake and should get one more chance. Next time a life ban. You really would have to be an idiot to get caught again anyway. As for him being a "crap boxer". The more pro's in this game the better, regardless. People can fulfill their dreams at any level. Not everybody needs to be a world champion to be considered successful.

He came out of prison and went into Athletics where steroids are the norm. He also got a degree in pharmaceutical chemistry which made him very knowledgeable. He also looked like a brick outhouse. He ticked every box as a user possible.

[davie]

I'm genuinely intrigued at how he will look and fight when he comes back clean

he'll lack the only real weapon he had in the ring. his strength.

to say he had limited ability is an understatement and his fitness was next to non existent

he'll either return, weakened and easily beatable

or maybe, just maybe,

he'll be able to build up some kind of cardiovascular fitness and learn to box because he can't just steam roller opponents anymore

[Superheavy]

I'm genuinely intrigued at how he will look and fight when he comes back clean

he'll lack the only real weapon he had in the ring. his strength.

to say he had limited ability is an understatement and his fitness was next to non existent

he'll either return, weakened and easily beatable

or maybe, just maybe,

he'll be able to build up some kind of cardiovascular fitness and learn to box because he can't just steam roller opponents anymore

To be fair I think he'll still have the strength, given his interest in lifting weights - in fact, I reckon there won't be a great deal of difference between the old and the new.

I suspect PEDS have more of a telling impact at the lower weight classes where opponents are essentially the same weight (in the HW division this is clearly not the case) and where workrate is more of a factor (I reckon it's the ability to develop a prodigious engine, coupled with 12-round strength endurance that makes PEDS particularly effective).

[Newport Daz]

^^ I agree. The PEDs only help you train harder with quicker recovery. I bet Larry is still as poweful and built like a brick outhouse. I would imagine he's carried on working out throughout his ban.

I've read a few intersting things on other websites about Mayweather and PEDs. It has been claimed that during his "retirement" he was on a programme of steroids/epo to build him up to a proper welterweight, away from the glare of testing and the media. Apparantly once he had the increased muscle growth etc, he just used his usual routine to maintain the benefits. This is probably complete BS but it made interesting reading.

[polecateddy]

He'll still be big for sure, but he'll probably be less powerful and imposing than he was. Alister Overeem is a good example. He was still big in his recent UFC loss, but without the sky-high testosterone dosing he was not nearly as dynamic as he used to be.

[Pug1]

^^ I agree. The PEDs only help you train harder with quicker recovery. I bet Larry is still as poweful and built like a brick outhouse. I would imagine he's carried on working out throughout his ban.

I've read a few intersting things on other websites about Mayweather and PEDs. It has been claimed that during his "retirement" he was on a programme of steroids/epo to build him up to a proper welterweight, away from the glare of testing and the media. Apparantly once he had the increased muscle growth etc, he just used his usual routine to maintain the benefits. This is probably complete BS but it made interesting reading.

The Mayweather thing is pure nonsense. Why would he need to move up to Welter in the first place?
He is The Man, and no extra money to be made up at Welter than there is at Lt Welter.
Floyd is routinely outweighed by 12 lbs upwards when he fights, he is just a special talent.
He beat DLH at Lt Middle when he was little more than a big lightweight so I doubt he is ever worried about weight.

[nfc90210]

He'll still be big for sure, but he'll probably be less powerful and imposing than he was. Alister Overeem is a good example. He was still big in his recent UFC loss, but without the sky-high testosterone dosing he was not nearly as dynamic as he used to be.

Believe it or not Overeem's testosterone levels in the Silva fight were dangerously low. So, now Overeem probably actually legitimately needs Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Now why Overeem, at thirty-two, needs TRT, well, that's open to speculation.

Dave Meltzer wrote an interesting article on Overeem's test results a while back.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/28/40 ... -levels-in

[polecateddy]

He'll still be big for sure, but he'll probably be less powerful and imposing than he was. Alister Overeem is a good example. He was still big in his recent UFC loss, but without the sky-high testosterone dosing he was not nearly as dynamic as he used to be.

Believe it or not Overeem's testosterone levels in the Silva fight were dangerously low. So, now Overeem probably actually legitimately needs Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Now why Overeem, at thirty-two, needs TRT, well, that's open to speculation.

Dave Meltzer wrote an interesting article on Overeem's test results a while back.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/28/40 ... -levels-in

It's just paying the piper isn't it, after years of abuse. It's sobering stuff when you check out how the champion bodybuilders of say the 1990's are doing today. Basically the majority of the top guys seem to be worn-out husks, all with organ issues and similarly low testosterone and ruined immune systems.

[lefty]

^^ I agree. The PEDs only help you train harder with quicker recovery. I bet Larry is still as poweful and built like a brick outhouse. I would imagine he's carried on working out throughout his ban.

I've read a few intersting things on other websites about Mayweather and PEDs. It has been claimed that during his "retirement" he was on a programme of steroids/epo to build him up to a proper welterweight, away from the glare of testing and the media. Apparantly once he had the increased muscle growth etc, he just used his usual routine to maintain the benefits. This is probably complete BS but it made interesting reading.

Thats not true regarding PED's only help you train harder with quicker recovery. Now that is a major part of what they do but they also do increase your strength A LOT!! It would take you about 4 or 5 years of working very hard in the gym without PED's to build up the strength that you can build pretty damn quickly on the drugs!

[lefty]

He'll still be big for sure, but he'll probably be less powerful and imposing than he was. Alister Overeem is a good example. He was still big in his recent UFC loss, but without the sky-high testosterone dosing he was not nearly as dynamic as he used to be.

Believe it or not Overeem's testosterone levels in the Silva fight were dangerously low. So, now Overeem probably actually legitimately needs Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Now why Overeem, at thirty-two, needs TRT, well, that's open to speculation.

Dave Meltzer wrote an interesting article on Overeem's test results a while back.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/2/28/40 ... -levels-in

That's his own fornicating fault though! He needs TRT now because he abused steroids for a long period of time which in turn stops your body naturally producing testosterone! Thats why you've got guy's in their early 30's needing that shit because they've abused drugs in the past. In rare cases you'll have a guy that needs it because his body isnt working properly in relation to his hormones but in the majority of cases its because they've been drug abusers.

[Jeff Thomas]

I'm genuinely intrigued at how he will look and fight when he comes back clean

he'll lack the only real weapon he had in the ring. his strength.

to say he had limited ability is an understatement and his fitness was next to non existent

he'll either return, weakened and easily beatable

or maybe, just maybe,

he'll be able to build up some kind of cardiovascular fitness and learn to box because he can't just steam roller opponents anymore

The difference will be subtle if anything.

He will still retain a lot of size. He will still hit hard, he just won't recover as quickly from training. His training was poor anyway by the looks of things. He was totally over muscled for a boxer and should have tried to pharm himself into a Holyfield type shape then a hulk.

That's the point really he'll still be benefiting somewhat from the muscularity from his periods on the juice so how can it be fair he still compete. I'm not getting on at larry here I spoke to him on here and he was a nice enough chap but he broke a terrible rule doing what he did. It's totally immoral and really upsets me as someone who tried so hard to succeed.

[Jeff Thomas]

^^ I agree. The PEDs only help you train harder with quicker recovery. I bet Larry is still as poweful and built like a brick outhouse. I would imagine he's carried on working out throughout his ban.

I've read a few intersting things on other websites about Mayweather and PEDs. It has been claimed that during his "retirement" he was on a programme of steroids/epo to build him up to a proper welterweight, away from the glare of testing and the media. Apparantly once he had the increased muscle growth etc, he just used his usual routine to maintain the benefits. This is probably complete BS but it made interesting reading.

Thats not true regarding PED's only help you train harder with quicker recovery. Now that is a major part of what they do but they also do increase your strength A LOT!! It would take you about 4 or 5 years of working very hard in the gym without PED's to build up the strength that you can build pretty damn quickly on the drugs!

I kept diaries of every weight I lifted. The difference is absolutely frightening - honestly it's mind blowing how different it feels. Fail doesn't feel the same, no doms, hardly any muscle fatigue.

[Jeff Thomas]

^^ I agree. The PEDs only help you train harder with quicker recovery. I bet Larry is still as poweful and built like a brick outhouse. I would imagine he's carried on working out throughout his ban.

I've read a few intersting things on other websites about Mayweather and PEDs. It has been claimed that during his "retirement" he was on a programme of steroids/epo to build him up to a proper welterweight, away from the glare of testing and the media. Apparantly once he had the increased muscle growth etc, he just used his usual routine to maintain the benefits. This is probably complete BS but it made interesting reading.

The Mayweather thing is pure nonsense. Why would he need to move up to Welter in the first place?
He is The Man, and no extra money to be made up at Welter than there is at Lt Welter.
Floyd is routinely outweighed by 12 lbs upwards when he fights, he is just a special talent.
He beat DLH at Lt Middle when he was little more than a big lightweight so I doubt he is ever worried about weight.

I think he definately used something - he only started making statements about PEDs when Manny became a danger. His body shape has changed massively in recent years. He's lost a lot of muscle.

Compare his body when he fought Judah to Guerrero

[Pug1]

I think he definately used something - he only started making statements about PEDs when Manny became a danger. His body shape has changed massively in recent years. He's lost a lot of muscle.

Compare his body when he fought Judah to Guerrero

I think the muscle loss is just definition he has lost due to mvng up in weight and age.
Compare that to a Pac who went UP in weight and was more ripped each time he went up.
The one fight he doesn't take his 'potion' from Ariza he is badly knocked out, coincidence?

[Newport Daz]

Funnily enough Jeff, it was a link you posted sometime ago that speculated about Mayweather. It was a web site about steroids where MMA fighters and boxers openly talked about what steroids and cyles they used. It was quite frightening really, unless everyone is using the same stuff

[Jeff Thomas]

Funnily enough Jeff, it was a link you posted sometime ago that speculated about Mayweather. It was a web site about steroids where MMA fighters and boxers openly talked about what steroids and cyles they used. It was quite frightening really, unless everyone is using the same stuff

It's awful- I'm currently on an Mma forum having a debate about it and there ignorance to it is terrible. Frightening even. Unless you've trained you don't realise the advantage it gives you.

[Asterix]

I can't believe Larry has turned grass. With his background he should know better.

The people who are doing it in the first place should know better. Focus on the problem.

[whiskey]

There has been 2 or 3 of "The Money Team" caught bang to rights for doping.

The most recent, J'Leon Love, was well known by a lot of people I know whom go to Vegas over the years. Him and his mrs were really nice, genuine and grounded people - and then he got signed by "TMT" and within no time is caught doping.

So as far as I'm concerned, a wife-beating hood ex-con like Floyd Mayweather, who approaching his 40's, will do whatever he can to maintain that multi-million pound gravy train.

He could easily do a course of whatever, whilst training hard for a few months to reap the benefits, before tapering off and beginning his "true" training camp with nice clean blood.

Hence the reason why they announce a different body every time a big fight is announced - VADA WADA USADA etc etc.

They are not tested year-round, simply during the course of the fight. Only Donaire I believe subscribed to some 24/365 regime.

[Pug1]

I personally feel Mayweather is clean - if Hopkins is clean then why not Floyd?!

[nfc90210]

...The most recent, J'Leon Love, was well known by a lot of people I know whom go to Vegas over the years. Him and his mrs were really nice, genuine and grounded people - and then he got signed by "TMT" and within no time is caught doping...

We should note that Love got busted for hydrochlorothiazide, which is a diuretic and steroid.

[Wa1nuts]

They get hit in the head with a gloved fist. Only the person throwing it is a drugs cheat.[/quote]

Right, so what makes this "drugs cheat"'s punch deadly, where as a non drugs cheats punch not deadly???

[danconnollyeire]

They get hit in the head with a gloved fist. Only the person throwing it is a drugs cheat.

Right, so what makes this "drugs cheat"'s punch deadly, where as a non drugs cheats punch not deadly???[/quote]

No boxing is always a risk BUT there's always a chance that I hit you I KO, I inject, hit you and kill you. The advantage could put someone in that unfair risk and life bans can prevent that. This isn't the Tour de France

[Benelio]

They get hit in the head with a gloved fist. Only the person throwing it is a drugs cheat.

Right, so what makes this "drugs cheat"'s punch deadly, where as a non drugs cheats punch not deadly???

No boxing is always a risk BUT there's always a chance that I hit you I KO, I inject, hit you and kill you. The advantage could put someone in that unfair risk and life bans can prevent that. This isn't the Tour de France

I saw a retired former world champion, who was looking in fantastic condition, with a record of 48(47)-1-0 get killed in an exhibition bout against a fighter who was later discovered to be a drugs cheat. It wasn't pretty.

[Pug1]

They get hit in the head with a gloved fist. Only the person throwing it is a drugs cheat.

Right, so what makes this "drugs cheat"'s punch deadly, where as a non drugs cheats punch not deadly???

No boxing is always a risk BUT there's always a chance that I hit you I KO, I inject, hit you and kill you. The advantage could put someone in that unfair risk and life bans can prevent that. This isn't the Tour de France

I saw a retired former world champion, who was looking in fantastic condition, with a record of 48(47)-1-0 get killed in an exhibition bout against a fighter who was later discovered to be a drugs cheat. It wasn't pretty.[/quote]


Really? Who?

[Benelio]

I saw a retired former world champion, who was looking in fantastic condition, with a record of 48(47)-1-0 get killed in an exhibition bout against a fighter who was later discovered to be a drugs cheat. It wasn't pretty.

Really? Who?