Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Watching the Chicago Blackhawks - Detroit Red Wings in game 7 of their division playoffs.
Thinking of our pal Pug, Brian Higgins. 1-0 Hawks going into 3rd period. :TU:
Kings won their division in 7, and things are looking good for Chicago! Best to the Blackhawks!!!!
Would be nice to have Pug post a new photo of him hoisting up that Stanley Cup, just as he did a couple years ago! :OhYes:
A couple years back Monica & I and Randy De LA O and Jeri were Brian's guests at the Staple Center when the Hawks played our Kings.
Afterwards he introduced us to a few of the Hawks. What great guys are Hockey players, like fighters. Tough, polite and humble.
And they FIGHT!! :OhYes:

Just saw Brian on TV! :TU: (1-1, 2 min. left in 3rd) Go Hawks!!
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http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166441

Here's a link to a thread here in "Boxers of the past" looking for someone to recognize fighters from a film clip.
The poster says its from a Los Angeles fight, possibly Olympic Arena ?
Someone here must know who these guys are. One photo looks like Chacon-but I dont know.
Maybe you guys might want to comment. Charlie
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CNorkusJr wrote:http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166441

Here's a link to a thread here in "Boxers of the past" looking for someone to recognize fighters from a film clip.
The poster says its from a Los Angeles fight, possibly Olympic Arena ?
Someone here must know who these guys are. One photo looks like Chacon-but I dont know.
Maybe you guys might want to comment. Charlie
I couldn't identify them Charley, they look familar, but need a little more definition.
It's not Bobby Chacon, I know that. And it's also not Armando Muniz, as suggested on the other thread.
It could be a prelim fight?
The same phot was posted on the last page of this thread.
The black guy looks like several from the era, and so does the Latino.
Both are "club fighters" and that club is without question the Olympic.
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El Gallo wrote:Watching the Chicago Blackhawks - Detroit Red Wings in game 7 of their division playoffs.
Thinking of our pal Pug, Brian Higgins. 1-0 Hawks going into 3rd period. :TU:
Kings won their division in 7, and things are looking good for Chicago! Best to the Blackhawks!!!!
Would be nice to have Pug post a new photo of him hoisting up that Stanley Cup, just as he did a couple years ago! :OhYes:
A couple years back Monica & I and Randy De LA O and Jeri were Brian's guests at the Staple Center when the Hawks played our Kings.
Afterwards he introduced us to a few of the Hawks. What great guys are Hockey players, like fighters. Tough, polite and humble.
And they FIGHT!! :OhYes:

Just saw Brian on TV! :TU: (1-1, 2 min. left in 3rd) Go Hawks!!
Hi Rick.
Thanks, my friend. What a night it was. Pulled it out in overtime and now we are going to play The Kings in what should be a great series. Next week I will be in L.A so if you have any free time...it would be great to see you and the the rest of the crew.
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El Gallo wrote:Randy "The Commish" Gordon . . .

Had a great conversation with the former New York State Boxing Commissioner & Ring Magazine editor Randy Gordon this morning.
Randy & former heavyweight contender Jerry Cooney have a weekly radio show, "Fight Club", that is broadcast over Sirius Satellite Radio on friday nights. Randy asked me to join he and Jerry to talk about filmmaker Alan Swyer's "El Boxeo", which will be seen this summer at a special screening in Los Angeles. Oscar De La Hoya, J.C. Chavez, Sugar Ray Leonard, Bobby Chacon, Carlos Palomino, Armando Muniz, Sergio Martinez, Ruben Olivares, Ray Mancini, Bob Arum, Don Chargin, Alex Ramos, Jose Sulaiman and others that comprise a "Who's Who" of boxing that will be featured and in attendence for this event, which I will sponsor through a new Veteran Boxer's that is currently in the works. Most of the participants will be guests at the screening, which will also be open to the Los Angeles boxing community in exchange for a small donation that will benefit the Retired Boxer's Foundation. The RBF works without support from anybody, and this will help them cover expenses that usually come out of the pocket of it's director, Jacquie Richardson. I'll be working with Jacquie as we hope to inform all boxers that fought in California that they may have "Pension" money held in their names by the California State Athletic Commission. Anybody over 50 years old can collect their money. Last week I informed one former fighter/trainer he has $13,000 waiting for him, and a former world champ has more than $30,000. Many fighters don't know how to get their money, and some will need help filling out the paper work. We may set up a table at the Wild Card Gym and send out word that we will be there to help them find out if they have money coming, and help them through the process of receiving it. It's important to me that the new organiztion be more than an event, and also help fighter's in need. We are all aware of the damage a professional boxing career inficts upon a boxer, but most have little clue just how much damage these fighters suffer. It goes far beyond slurred speech and loss of memory. Boxing is a sport that everyone must choose for themselves, but sadly many are pushed into the ring from the time they can walk by father's who love boxing and but weren't good enough to compete themselves. We cannot control irresponsible parents, but maybe we can help those who can no longer help themselves. -Rick Farris
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A Thousand Words

After my sister in law got thrown out of the house in Mexico City by her chilango wise ass know it all husband,she finally caught a guy in TJ that she married and settled down with. It was a quest on her part to find the right victum.She'd gone through guys on both sides of the border(most of them certified wackos),but her spider web finally snared her present husband.His name is Ruben. He owns a building on Negrete Street and a bar downtown on Avenida Revolucion. A few years back they opened a tacito joint on Revolution but despite the down turn with tourism, is still hanging in there.

Once in a while I stop buy Ruben's place to have a beer and catch up with things in the neighborhood.The bar has been around for years. It's one of the last local watering holes left downtown. The similar bars and cantinas gave way to the discotecas that catered to the local teenagers. But then the discotecas began to disappear because of the swankier joints that opened up in the Rio. Where that money came from is anyone's guess,but watch the news and use your imagination.

Ruben's Bar is a cubby hole. I once told him to put a sign outside that says "Welcome to Ruben's Bar. The smallest bar in Tijuana."He never put up the sign. I thought it might make the foot traffic curious. But he still gets a crowd. Small ,but regular.

The other day I was waiting for some framing to be done on a painting so I decided to kill some time at Rubens. I walked inside and saw him behind the bar counting the receipts from the night before.
"Rogelio,"he said. "Como estas?Como estan tus hermanas?"
"Bien gracias amigo?"
I swear you couldn't find a nicer guy.He had a round face with a brushy mustache. He walked with a distinct limp the result of a lousy hip replacement job he had done down there.My sister in law must have had Ruban in her sights from the get go. She used to tend bar for him in the beginning. Ruben was a confirmed bachelor,so it seemed,but leave it to Miss Hour Glass to reel him in.
"I'll have a Tecate Ruben."
The bar was empty. The sun was shining through the door. It was a quiet morning.I gazed up and saw a picture behind the bar.
"Where did you get that picture of Chavez?I've never seen it before,"I asked.
"When he was in town to fight Danilo Cabrera. He stopped in one night. He was making the rounds up and down the street with the Mariachis.I found it laying around. I just put it up."
Chavez was surrounded by hanger ons who wanted to be seen drinking with the champ.
"Is Maria with you?"
"No. I'm having some work done on a painting."
I was looking at the picture.
"I saw a similar picture like that with Chavez down the street at the Tropics,"I said.
"The Dandy across the the street has one like this. You'll see Chavez in pictures drinking all over town in just about all the bars."
"The drinking caught up with him,"I said.
"All the people in those pictures left him when couldn't buy them a drink anymore."
"Not to mention the drugs."
A man walked in selling newspapers. Ruben didn't want any.
"A picture says a thousand words,"I said.
"There's a lot of stories on the walls in Tijuana."
"I see Chavez now doing the announcing for the fights on Telemundo."
"Chavez does a good job,"said Ruben.
"He was in rehab."
"Maybe the demons are gone,"said Ruben.
"Well if he ever wants to remember what it was like there are plenty of picture to remind him."

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Expug wrote:
El Gallo wrote:Watching the Chicago Blackhawks - Detroit Red Wings in game 7 of their division playoffs.
Thinking of our pal Pug, Brian Higgins. 1-0 Hawks going into 3rd period. :TU:
Kings won their division in 7, and things are looking good for Chicago! Best to the Blackhawks!!!!
Would be nice to have Pug post a new photo of him hoisting up that Stanley Cup, just as he did a couple years ago! :OhYes:
A couple years back Monica & I and Randy De LA O and Jeri were Brian's guests at the Staple Center when the Hawks played our Kings.
Afterwards he introduced us to a few of the Hawks. What great guys are Hockey players, like fighters. Tough, polite and humble.
And they FIGHT!! :OhYes:

Just saw Brian on TV! :TU: (1-1, 2 min. left in 3rd) Go Hawks!!
Hi Rick.
Thanks, my friend. What a night it was. Pulled it out in overtime and now we are going to play The Kings in what should be a great series. Next week I will be in L.A so if you have any free time...it would be great to see you and the the rest of the crew.
Fabulous night indeed, Brian. I let a yelp out of me when they scored - from a defenseman yet - totally awesome. Gott give the Redwings credit. Tough as nails.
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El Gallo wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=166441

Here's a link to a thread here in "Boxers of the past" looking for someone to recognize fighters from a film clip.
The poster says its from a Los Angeles fight, possibly Olympic Arena ?
Someone here must know who these guys are. One photo looks like Chacon-but I dont know.
Maybe you guys might want to comment. Charlie
I couldn't identify them Charley, they look familar, but need a little more definition.
It's not Bobby Chacon, I know that. And it's also not Armando Muniz, as suggested on the other thread.
It could be a prelim fight?
The same phot was posted on the last page of this thread.
The black guy looks like several from the era, and so does the Latino.
Both are "club fighters" and that club is without question the Olympic.
The only one I could ID was Jimmy Robertson sitting at ringside on the left.
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scartissue wrote:
Expug wrote:
El Gallo wrote:Watching the Chicago Blackhawks - Detroit Red Wings in game 7 of their division playoffs.
Thinking of our pal Pug, Brian Higgins. 1-0 Hawks going into 3rd period. :TU:
Kings won their division in 7, and things are looking good for Chicago! Best to the Blackhawks!!!!
Would be nice to have Pug post a new photo of him hoisting up that Stanley Cup, just as he did a couple years ago! :OhYes:
A couple years back Monica & I and Randy De LA O and Jeri were Brian's guests at the Staple Center when the Hawks played our Kings.
Afterwards he introduced us to a few of the Hawks. What great guys are Hockey players, like fighters. Tough, polite and humble.
And they FIGHT!! :OhYes:

Just saw Brian on TV! :TU: (1-1, 2 min. left in 3rd) Go Hawks!!
Hi Rick.
Thanks, my friend. What a night it was. Pulled it out in overtime and now we are going to play The Kings in what should be a great series. Next week I will be in L.A so if you have any free time...it would be great to see you and the the rest of the crew.
Fabulous night indeed, Brian. I let a yelp out of me when they scored - from a defenseman yet - totally awesome. Gott give the Redwings credit. Tough as nails.
Dan, Brent Seabrook is a great guy. You guys here would like him a lot.
Man,I was happy for the team all of us and I was thrilled for him really. He doesnt fight too much anymore as hes been in the league awhile and doesnt really need to play that roll,but hes got a nice straight right hand too. :TU:
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Expug wrote:
El Gallo wrote:Watching the Chicago Blackhawks - Detroit Red Wings in game 7 of their division playoffs.
Thinking of our pal Pug, Brian Higgins. 1-0 Hawks going into 3rd period. :TU:
Kings won their division in 7, and things are looking good for Chicago! Best to the Blackhawks!!!!
Would be nice to have Pug post a new photo of him hoisting up that Stanley Cup, just as he did a couple years ago! :OhYes:
A couple years back Monica & I and Randy De LA O and Jeri were Brian's guests at the Staple Center when the Hawks played our Kings.
Afterwards he introduced us to a few of the Hawks. What great guys are Hockey players, like fighters. Tough, polite and humble.
And they FIGHT!! :OhYes:

Just saw Brian on TV! :TU: (1-1, 2 min. left in 3rd) Go Hawks!!
Hi Rick.
Thanks, my friend. What a night it was. Pulled it out in overtime and now we are going to play The Kings in what should be a great series. Next week I will be in L.A so if you have any free time...it would be great to see you and the the rest of the crew.
I'll make free time! Keep me posted pal, let's hook up! My contact info is the same.
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Clotheslined

I talked about my sister in law who used to live in Mexico City and finally wound up in TJ,but my wife has another sister who has lived in the capitol almost all her life. Her name is Virginia and is the oldest girl of the 11 siblings. All of them were born in that little ranchita on top of that mountain overlooking Jiquilpan. The name of that village is Paredones.That's were my wife's godmother lives who's 108.

My wife and Virginia had the same father, the one who got killed carrying the payroll back from the mine. The bandits ambushed him on horseback and were never caught. The oldest sibling,Pancho,had a different father than my wife and Virginia.His father died of alcoholism.Pancho left the ranchita and got married to his sweetheart. He had a construction business in Jiquilpan and was doing quite well. He would help out his mother and the other kids financially and was a real pleasant caring individual. But one day he suffered a stroke that made him unable to work anymore.He died lonely and an alcoholic a few years back.The rest of the 5 half brothers never lifted a hand to help him,let alone their mother and sisters. If I get into the lives of my wife's brothers the editors of this forum would have me kicked off for good.

For a brief time before my mother in law remarried for the 3rd time my wife and Virginia cleaned garbanzos in Jiquilpan for 2 dollars a day. Virginia couldn't deal with strees. She'd beat the rest of the kids and finally took off to Mexico City. My wife couldn't go to school and what money she earned after Virginia left went to the family.

To this day my wife never mentions Virginia,yet she keeps in touch with everyone else in the family though I don't think much of some of their characters either. One time when we went to visit my other sister in law who was still living in Mexico City,she suggested we visit Virginia.At first my wife didn't want to go,but she gave in.

Virginia lives in the Tepito district of Mexico City. It has always been very poor.The area is old and not maintained well. The streets littered with trash. Grafitti all over the walls. Rundown bars line the blocks.Sick and crippled people are sitting on every sidewalk.Especially now, Tepito is a haven for the black market and crimes of violence. It's not unusual to find a dead rat lying alongside a dead body in the street in the morning.

Tepito is also noted for an area of one big tiangis,or flea market. That's how many of the people who live there earn a living. Selling in the streets.It's estimated 2 million people in Mexico City try to earn a living in the streets. It's so packed you can't get a car through. The local merchants complain,but the vendors in the streets payoff the police to stay. The poor businessmen don't have enough juice to do anything about it.

Virginia and her two sons work in the streets selling eggs,milk, and cheese. Her three daughters go to trade schools.Where the father or fathers of those kids are I don't know and don't care about knowing .One girl I know was studying to be a nurse. I looked at one of her textbooks once. The copywrite date was 1949. But later I found out that she had run off with her teacher. In six months she was back home with her mother. Her teacher was back home with his wife.

When we got to their apartment Virginia went outside and cried. My wife said nothing.

They all lived in a broken down 2 flight. There was an upstairs,where the girls slept, and a ground floor,where the boys and Virginia slept. The boys and the mother slept in the kitchen. Next to the kitchen was the other room,a bathroom where you had to pour a big bucket of water into the bowl to make it flush. The water wasn't on that much during the day. the 3 girls lived in one bedroom upstairs close together. Their three beds were parallel to each other.A clothesline was strung across between each bed. A blanket was hung over each clothesline to provide a seperate living space for each girl.

I was intersted in Virginia's youngest son,Lauro. After working in the day with his mother,he would go to the gym and workout with the fighters. He saw boxing as being his poor man's out. One day I was talking to him in the kitchen.
"I want to be a fighter,"Lauro said to me."If I'm good I can help my mother."
Lauro's other brother ,Tomas, would spend time in the raunchier parts of Tepito after working. The brother seemed pretty close .I didn't know them that well,but they worked equally hard in the streets with their mother.

About a year later I heard that one night Tomas came home very late at night and very drunk. For some reason the brothers got into a fight. Tomas hit Lauro with a bottle. The shards tore apart Lauro's eye blinding him.

Not too long ago Lauro sent an invitation to us about how he was going to get married. I left it up to my wife. She didn't want to go. I think she didn't want to see Virginia.
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dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Salvador Sanchez
Magnificent portrait, Rog. The cosmos backdrop was so appropriate.
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scartissue wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Salvador Sanchez
Magnificent portrait, Rog. The cosmos backdrop was so appropriate.

Thanks Dan. Sanchez and Monzon reminded me as the same. Same kind of bodies,dominance over the opposition,expiring at the peak of their careers. I know an Argentinian lady that knew Monzon's deceased wife Alicia who was a famous actress .Monzon tossed her off a balcony and went to jail for it.This lady said Monzon was always out of control.Same with Sanchez.Ran his Porsche into a truck on a mountain road in Mexico. Similar death with Monzon crashing his car after a visit to see his children from a jail visitation. Both suicides? These two couldn't be beaten in the ring. Their toughest opponents were themselves,and they lost.
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Viva Villa

When I worked at The Learning Center,that was a drop out prevention center for teens,at Southwest High School in San Ysidro,I made good friends with the teachers' aide. She was a Philippino woman named Vicky.She was around my age. Her husband was Philippino and they were sweathearts and got married in Manila. He joined the U.S. Navy over there and became a U.S. citizen and eventually moved to San Diego with Vicky and they started a family. I remember their three kids in school. They were real smart. The youngest,a girl,went to Annapolis. She struggled there ,but graduated. Regardless what anyone says,the military is still and always will be a good 'ol boys club. I guess if the enemy had to pick a division of soldiers to fight between a female and a male division,I think the enemy would embrace womens' lib.

Anyway ,Vicky was not what she appeared. Quiet,very conscious of doing the right thing,never wanting to rock the boat. That was a side of her. But she had told me that she was alone with her babies living in an apartment in National City while her husband was overseas . When her husband returned she told me how they would kick up their heels in the Philippino bars in National City. I remember some of those joints like the 21 Club and the Trophy Lounge.Not places for the faint at heart.If you didn't know any better you'd think you were in the pearl of the Orient.

I remember when Paquiao was beginnning to make his move in the ranks. I asked Vicky if she had ever heard of him.
"Oh yes,"she said." We are keeping our eye on him."
Her answer surprised me alittle,but Phillippinos don't have much to root for. They've been a land conquered by different countries . They want a cultural identity that is out in the open. They fought the Americans after the Spanish/American war when the U.S. reneged on giving them their independence.We slaughtered them. In fact the .45 Colt was invented to bring them down with faster dispatch. The Japanese told them in WWII that it was an Asian war against the imperialists,then went on to enslave them. Lapu Lapu the islander who killed Magellan is a hero in Pinoy. So much on the mini history lesson.
"Vicky,how about Flash Elorde?"
"He was very popular. I remember him when I was going to school."
My unexpected boxing authority put her in a new light. Now I could talk to her more than asking her to help a student with his algebra. I went to my file cabinet to pull out one of my student's folders. When I returned to my desk,Vicky was standing there.
"Aren't you going to ask me about Pancho Villa?"Vicky asked.
I laughed a little. I knew she wasn't talking about the Mexican.

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dagosd2000 wrote:Viva Villa

When I worked at The Learning Center,that was a drop out prevention center for teens,at Southwest High School in San Ysidro,I made good friends with the teachers' aide. She was a Philippino woman named Vicky.She was around my age. Her husband was Philippino and they were sweathearts and got married in Manila. He joined the U.S. Navy over there and became a U.S. citizen and eventually moved to San Diego with Vicky and they started a family. I remember their three kids in school. They were real smart. The youngest,a girl,went to Annapolis. She struggled there ,but graduated. Regardless what anyone says,the military is still and always will be a good 'ol boys club. I guess if the enemy had to pick a division of soldiers to fight between a female and a male division,I think the enemy would embrace womens' lib.

Anyway ,Vicky was not what she appeared. Quiet,very conscious of doing the right thing,never wanting to rock the boat. That was a side of her. But she had told me that she was alone with her babies living in an apartment in National City while her husband was overseas . When her husband returned she told me how they would kick up their heels in the Philippino bars in National City. I remember some of those joints like the 21 Club and the Trophy Lounge.Not places for the faint at heart.If you didn't know any better you'd think you were in the pearl of the Orient.

I remember when Paquiao was beginnning to make his move in the ranks. I asked Vicky if she had ever heard of him.
"Oh yes,"she said." We are keeping our eye on him."
Her answer surprised me alittle,but Phillippinos don't have much to root for. They've been a land conquered by different countries . They want a cultural identity that is out in the open. They fought the Americans after the Spanish/American war when the U.S. reneged on giving them their independence.We slaughtered them. In fact the .45 Colt was invented to bring them down with faster dispatch. The Japanese told them in WWII that it was an Asian war against the imperialists,then went on to enslave them. Lapu Lapu the islander who killed Magellan is a hero in Pinoy. So much on the mini history lesson.
"Vicky,how about Flash Elorde?"
"He was very popular. I remember him when I was going to school."
My unexpected boxing authority put her in a new light. Now I could talk to her more than asking her to help a student with his algebra. I went to my file cabinet to pull out one of my student's folders. When I returned to my desk,Vicky was standing there.
"Aren't you going to ask me about Pancho Villa?"Vicky asked.
I laughed a little. I knew she wasn't talking about the Mexican.

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Pancho Villa

Roger, I appreciate this great painting and the mini-history lesson. I love history, but the history lessons I sought as a child were all related to boxing. However, that history is a product of world history, and today I am able to appreciate that history more as I've friends from so many cultures as a result of my boxing life. I am copying this, and will send to my pal Bud Balani. Bud is a grip I work with in the film insudtry, a proud Filipino-American, and a master, a Guru in the Pinoy fighting arts. He has school in Glendale, and in recent years I have enjoyed training in those arts, which includes hand-to-hand weapons training. My boxing skills fit right in with what works best in such hand-to-hand combat. I am also a major fan of fighters from the P.I. and have studied the history. I often e-mail Bud photos of the great Pinoy legends, and anything related. He is going to appreciate this portrait, and your memories of Vicky, as you always flavor your memories with history. As I read, I appreciated seeing the reference to National City, and "Club 21". On my Boxrec record, you will find that in January, 1971, that I was an 18-year-old pro and fought my 7th pro fight at "Club 21". I was originally scheduled to fight in a six-rounder, however, the main event fell through and the promoter was paniced as he did not have enough scheduled rounds to satisfy the CSAC minimum for a fight card. I was in great shape and Johnny Flores pulled me aside at the weigh-in, "You wanna fight a ten rounder tonight? I'll get you another $250 for the extra rounds". I didn't so much as blink- "Hell, yeah!!" My opponent was a tough guy named Wolverine Campos, and I stopped him in the 6th round on a cut, after flooring him in the previous round. You are right about "Club 21", a rough looking night club, but one which I will always provide a great memory for me. Thanks, pal!
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scartissue wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Image

Salvador Sanchez
Magnificent portrait, Rog. The cosmos backdrop was so appropriate.
Wow! Brilliant.
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El Gallo wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Viva Villa

When I worked at The Learning Center,that was a drop out prevention center for teens,at Southwest High School in San Ysidro,I made good friends with the teachers' aide. She was a Philippino woman named Vicky.She was around my age. Her husband was Philippino and they were sweathearts and got married in Manila. He joined the U.S. Navy over there and became a U.S. citizen and eventually moved to San Diego with Vicky and they started a family. I remember their three kids in school. They were real smart. The youngest,a girl,went to Annapolis. She struggled there ,but graduated. Regardless what anyone says,the military is still and always will be a good 'ol boys club. I guess if the enemy had to pick a division of soldiers to fight between a female and a male division,I think the enemy would embrace womens' lib.

Anyway ,Vicky was not what she appeared. Quiet,very conscious of doing the right thing,never wanting to rock the boat. That was a side of her. But she had told me that she was alone with her babies living in an apartment in National City while her husband was overseas . When her husband returned she told me how they would kick up their heels in the Philippino bars in National City. I remember some of those joints like the 21 Club and the Trophy Lounge.Not places for the faint at heart.If you didn't know any better you'd think you were in the pearl of the Orient.

I remember when Paquiao was beginnning to make his move in the ranks. I asked Vicky if she had ever heard of him.
"Oh yes,"she said." We are keeping our eye on him."
Her answer surprised me alittle,but Phillippinos don't have much to root for. They've been a land conquered by different countries . They want a cultural identity that is out in the open. They fought the Americans after the Spanish/American war when the U.S. reneged on giving them their independence.We slaughtered them. In fact the .45 Colt was invented to bring them down with faster dispatch. The Japanese told them in WWII that it was an Asian war against the imperialists,then went on to enslave them. Lapu Lapu the islander who killed Magellan is a hero in Pinoy. So much on the mini history lesson.
"Vicky,how about Flash Elorde?"
"He was very popular. I remember him when I was going to school."
My unexpected boxing authority put her in a new light. Now I could talk to her more than asking her to help a student with his algebra. I went to my file cabinet to pull out one of my student's folders. When I returned to my desk,Vicky was standing there.
"Aren't you going to ask me about Pancho Villa?"Vicky asked.
I laughed a little. I knew she wasn't talking about the Mexican.

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Pancho Villa

Roger, I appreciate this great painting and the mini-history lesson. I love history, but the history lessons I saought as a child were all related to boxing. However, that history is a product of world history, and today I am able to appreciate that history more as I've friends from so many cultures as a result of my boxing life. I am copying this, and will send to my pal Bud Balani. Bud is a grip I work with in the film insudtry, a proud Filipino-American, and a master, a Guru in the Pinoy fighting arts. He has school in glendale, and in recent years I have enjoyed training in those arts, which includes hand-to-hand weapons training. My boxing skills fit right in with what works best in such hand-to-hand combat. I am also a major fan of fighters from the P.I. and have studied the history. I often e-mail Bud photos of the great Pinoy legends, and anything related. He is going to appreciate this portrait, anf your memories of Vicky, as you always flavor your memories with history. As I read, I appreciated seeing the reference to National City, and "Club 21". On my Boxrec record, you will find that in January, 1971, that I was an 18-year-old pro and fought my 7th pro fight at "Club 21". I was originally scheduled to fight in a six-rounder, however, the main event fill through and the promoter was panced as he did not have enough scheduled rounds to satisfy the CSAC minimum for a fight card. I was in great shape and Johnny Flores pulled me aside at the weigh-in, "You wanna fight a ten rounder tonight? I'll get you another $300 for the extra rounds". I didn't so much as blink- "Hell, yeah!!" My opponent was a tough guy named Wolverine Campos, and I stopped him in the 6th round on a cut, after flooring him n the previous round. You are right about "Club 21", a rough looking night club, but one which I will always provide a great memory for me. Thanks, pal!

Thanks Rick,I hope your friend appreciates it.The Philippino insurgency at the start of the 20th century isn't taught in state school text books. It was a shameful act on the part of the U.S. We felt that if we gave the Philippines their indepedence(we gave Cuba theirs after the
Spanish American War)that another European nation or strong Asian country would conquer them. Besides the Philippines offered us an opportunity to have military bases in Asia.When the Philippines revolted after the start of the 20th century we massacred them. Estimated over 100,000 Philippinos were killed. Most of them didn't have guns.

BTW.The only time I fought in the ring was an amateur fight against a serviceman(I can't remember his name)at the 21 Club. I won in the first round. Me and Marciano are the only two undeafeated Italian fighters. :lol: :lol:
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dagosd2000 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Viva Villa

When I worked at The Learning Center,that was a drop out prevention center for teens,at Southwest High School in San Ysidro,I made good friends with the teachers' aide. She was a Philippino woman named Vicky.She was around my age. Her husband was Philippino and they were sweathearts and got married in Manila. He joined the U.S. Navy over there and became a U.S. citizen and eventually moved to San Diego with Vicky and they started a family. I remember their three kids in school. They were real smart. The youngest,a girl,went to Annapolis. She struggled there ,but graduated. Regardless what anyone says,the military is still and always will be a good 'ol boys club. I guess if the enemy had to pick a division of soldiers to fight between a female and a male division,I think the enemy would embrace womens' lib.

Anyway ,Vicky was not what she appeared. Quiet,very conscious of doing the right thing,never wanting to rock the boat. That was a side of her. But she had told me that she was alone with her babies living in an apartment in National City while her husband was overseas . When her husband returned she told me how they would kick up their heels in the Philippino bars in National City. I remember some of those joints like the 21 Club and the Trophy Lounge.Not places for the faint at heart.If you didn't know any better you'd think you were in the pearl of the Orient.

I remember when Paquiao was beginnning to make his move in the ranks. I asked Vicky if she had ever heard of him.
"Oh yes,"she said." We are keeping our eye on him."
Her answer surprised me alittle,but Phillippinos don't have much to root for. They've been a land conquered by different countries . They want a cultural identity that is out in the open. They fought the Americans after the Spanish/American war when the U.S. reneged on giving them their independence.We slaughtered them. In fact the .45 Colt was invented to bring them down with faster dispatch. The Japanese told them in WWII that it was an Asian war against the imperialists,then went on to enslave them. Lapu Lapu the islander who killed Magellan is a hero in Pinoy. So much on the mini history lesson.
"Vicky,how about Flash Elorde?"
"He was very popular. I remember him when I was going to school."
My unexpected boxing authority put her in a new light. Now I could talk to her more than asking her to help a student with his algebra. I went to my file cabinet to pull out one of my student's folders. When I returned to my desk,Vicky was standing there.
"Aren't you going to ask me about Pancho Villa?"Vicky asked.
I laughed a little. I knew she wasn't talking about the Mexican.

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Pancho Villa

Roger, I appreciate this great painting and the mini-history lesson. I love history, but the history lessons I saought as a child were all related to boxing. However, that history is a product of world history, and today I am able to appreciate that history more as I've friends from so many cultures as a result of my boxing life. I am copying this, and will send to my pal Bud Balani. Bud is a grip I work with in the film insudtry, a proud Filipino-American, and a master, a Guru in the Pinoy fighting arts. He has school in glendale, and in recent years I have enjoyed training in those arts, which includes hand-to-hand weapons training. My boxing skills fit right in with what works best in such hand-to-hand combat. I am also a major fan of fighters from the P.I. and have studied the history. I often e-mail Bud photos of the great Pinoy legends, and anything related. He is going to appreciate this portrait, anf your memories of Vicky, as you always flavor your memories with history. As I read, I appreciated seeing the reference to National City, and "Club 21". On my Boxrec record, you will find that in January, 1971, that I was an 18-year-old pro and fought my 7th pro fight at "Club 21". I was originally scheduled to fight in a six-rounder, however, the main event fill through and the promoter was panced as he did not have enough scheduled rounds to satisfy the CSAC minimum for a fight card. I was in great shape and Johnny Flores pulled me aside at the weigh-in, "You wanna fight a ten rounder tonight? I'll get you another $300 for the extra rounds". I didn't so much as blink- "Hell, yeah!!" My opponent was a tough guy named Wolverine Campos, and I stopped him in the 6th round on a cut, after flooring him n the previous round. You are right about "Club 21", a rough looking night club, but one which I will always provide a great memory for me. Thanks, pal!

Thanks Rick,I hope your friend appreciates it.The Philippino insurgency at the start of the 20th century isn't taught in state school text books. It was a shameful act on the part of the U.S. We felt that if we gave the Philippines their indepedence(we gave Cuba theirs after the
Spanish American War)that another European nation or strong Asian country would conquer them. Besides the Philippines offered us an opportunity to have military bases in Asia.When the Philippines revolted after the start of the 20th century we massacred them. Estimated over 100,000 Philippinos were killed. Most of them didn't have guns.

BTW.The only time I fought in the ring was an amateur fight against a serviceman(I can't remember his name)at the 21 Club. I won in the first round. Me and Marciano are the only two undeafeated Italian fighters. :lol: :lol:

You & the Rock! No surprise! :lol: Thanks, Rog. You & I are the only ones I know of that fought in that National City cock pit! You'd like my pal Bud, a master of Eskrima, Kali, Aris, etc. Bud has been fighting his addiction to cigarettes for a long time. However, he has the uncanny ability to light a cigarette, put it in his mouth, and then turn it into a weapon by launching it from his mouth and hit a bulls eye 6' feet away. I've seen him do this dozens of times and he is always right on target, even when under attack. He can project a cigarette right in a person's eye in a split second, thus adding a major advantage for his follow-up attack, which is not pretty. Just another one of my fighting hobbies, having trained in Muay Thai, various forms of grappling, etc. over the years. I never stop working these tachniques so I will stay sharp and fit to use them if I must. However, the Philippino arts are a deadly style that incorporates a variety of weapons, many that are objects within close reach in many situations.
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So Near,Yet So Far Away

"Mickey,anyone sitting here?"I asked.
"No,go right ahead,"said Mickey.
Mickey Davies was the match maker for the fights at the old San Diego Coliseum. The crowd at the old coliseum looked pretty healthy.Mickey also had the matchmaking chores for Aileen Eaton at the Olympic Auditorium in LA.
"I see you put Tony Doyle on the card tonight"I said.
"Yes,he'll put on a show."
"I saw him when he fought Pulgarcito Ramos. That was a good fight."
"I remember Pulgarcito,"Mickey said."I had him up in the Olympic a few times."
"Whatever happened to him?"
"After losing to Frazier he started to struggle."
"Remember his fight with Frazier in The Garden?"
"He rocked Frazier with his big left in that first round,"said Mickey.
"He tried to follow up with another but just missed,"I countered.
"Imagine what might have happened if he hit him the second time with that left?"
"Mexico might have had a heavyweight champion of the world,"I said.
"Imagine that?"
The prelim boys had entered the ring and were scuffing their shoes in the rosin box.
"So you don't know if Ramos fights anymore?"I asked.
"I hear he's a set up guy for fighters in Europe."
"He used to stay in pretty good shape."
"I remember Gil Clancy had him in New York to fight Frazier."
The mike was dropping down to the ring announcer.
"How do you think Mexico would have reacted to having a their own heavyweight champion?"I asked.
"They would have elected him president."

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Manuel "Pulgarcito" Ramos-May He Rest In Peace
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Watch out LA !! Here come the red-hot Blackhawks and it isnt going to be pretty !!
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CNorkusJr wrote:Watch out LA !! Here come the red-hot Blackhawks and it isnt going to be pretty !!
The Kings are great, but the Black Hawks are the best team in Hockey this year. My opinion!
The Kings are also L.A.'s best sports franchise, the defending Stanley Cup Champs.
However, I'm more loyal to our pal ExPug than I am to our Hockey team, and I hope the Hawks take it all this year.
Keep in mind that the four teams remaining, L.A., Chicago, Pittsburg and Boston are the last four Stanley Cup winners.
It is an exciting series however, and the we must remember, L.A.'s team is the KINGS, defending champs!
Tomorrow night Staples Center.
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dagosd2000 wrote:So Near,Yet So Far Away

"Mickey,anyone sitting here?"I asked.
"No,go right ahead,"said Mickey.
Mickey Davies was the match maker for the fights at the old San Diego Coliseum. The crowd at the old coliseum looked pretty healthy.Mickey also had the matchmaking chores for Aileen Eaton at the Olympic Auditorium in LA.
"I see you put Tony Doyle on the card tonight"I said.
"Yes,he'll put on a show."
"I saw him when he fought Pulgarcito Ramos. That was a good fight."
"I remember Pulgarcito,"Mickey said."I had him up in the Olympic a few times."
"Whatever happened to him?"
"After losing to Frazier he started to struggle."
"Remember his fight with Frazier in The Garden?"
"He rocked Frazier with his big left in that first round,"said Mickey.
"He tried to follow up with another but just missed,"I countered.
"Imagine what might have happened if he hit him the second time with that left?"
"Mexico might have had a heavyweight champion of the world,"I said.
"Imagine that?"
The prelim boys had entered the ring and were scuffing their shoes in the rosin box.
"So you don't know if Ramos fights anymore?"I asked.
"I hear he's a set up guy for fighters in Europe."
"He used to stay in pretty good shape."
"I remember Gil Clancy had him in New York to fight Frazier."
The mike was dropping down to the ring announcer.
"How do you think Mexico would have reacted to having a their own heavyweight champion?"I asked.
"They would have elected him president."

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Manuel "Pulgarcito" Ramos-May He Rest In Peace

They keep talking about that first round, but they made too much of Ramos hurting Frazier.
I saw Joe get hit, I saw the reaction, but it was no big deal and I don't think he was anything more than off balance.
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I Want To Be Somebody

I used to see it a lot when I worked in the school system.Everybody was an expert. Everybody wanted to do their own thing.People took it personal when they were told to do something. It was political. Let's open it up to discussion instead of following an order. Eisenhower never wanted to be a politician. Truman told him that he wouldn't run again if he put his hat in the ring for the Presidency. Eisenhower could have been a Democratic President. But he was coerced to run in '52 and wiped out Adlai Stevenson. He did it again in '56. But Ike never relished the Presidency. His main gripe was when he gave an order,he was overrided. Either not a big enough majority,a veto,or just noncompliance. It drove him nuts.

But politics is an anachronism of everyday life.Everybody knows more than the next guy even if what he thinks he knows doesn't amount to nothing. I went Champ's Bar to watch the NBA semi final game. I got a taste of the frivolous on the bar stool.
"So Ed,who do you think is going to win tonight?"I asked the bartender.
"Miami.They'll bring Hibberd out of the center.Anderson will be back.They'll work more pick and rolls with him and LeBron will guard George."
"Indiana doesn't quit."
"The big three will step up,they're playing in Miami,Allen will get hot from the 3 point line,and Wade will see more screens."
"Indiana will be in there."
"Naw,it's going to be a blowout."
As the game moved through the second period Miami started to pull away.
"See,"said Ed. "Miami is controlling the tempo like I said."
"Well it doesn't look good for Indiana."
Just before the half Hibbard picked up his third foul and his coach sat him down.
"Well Ed,this doesn't look like it's going to be much of a game. Look like you were right."
"Of course.I can see things like this."
"Did you put any money on it?"
"No."
"Well I think I'm going to go home and watch the end of it in bed."
"I predict Miami will beat San Antonio in six. Bosch will come out on Duncan.Lebron will have Tony Parker,they won't have a man to guard Wade,and Miami's bench matches with San Antonio."
"Well you've got it all figured out,"I said.
"I've been following this since training camp."
I left a dollar on the counter and walked the block back to my condo. Before going to my bedroom I went to the fridge and made a sandwich.Then I went to my bedroom ,settled in with my dogs, and turned on the rest of the baseball game.

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When Men Were Men

"Any games on TV tonight Ed?"
"Just womens' softball if you want to watch that,"said Ed the bartender.
"Turn on ESPN Classic. Maybe they've got something good on from the good 'ol days."
Me and Ed were at the end of the bar at Champs. I was sitting at the end stool.A spot were the "clubhouse" members were privileged to rest their butts.Ed had found the ESPN channel.
"Hey that's Rocky Graziano,"I said.
"Yeah,they're going to show the 3rd Zale Graziano fight."
"There's Tony Zale."
"I think they filmed this thing sometime in the 70's,"said Ed.
There was Zale and Graziano sitting next to each other with Curt Gowdy the emcee sitting across from them.
"Too bad they only filmed the 3rd fight ,"I said.
"The first two fights were the best ones,"said Ed.
As the filmed rolled Zale and Rocky commented on what was transpiring.Graziano didn't have much to say. He got his lunch.
"What do you fellas think of the fighters today?"asked Gowdy.
Both Graziano and Zale started to laugh.
"These guys today are bums compared to the fighters of our day,"said Zale.
"Yeah,"said Rocky."These guys today are nothing. They couldn't hold a candle to us."
Me and Ed looked at each other as Graziano and Zale babbled on.
"You mean to tell me fighters in the 70's like Duran and Napoles were bums?"I said.
"And Ali and Foreman and Smokin' Joe were bums."
"Olivares,Griffith,Foster,"I said.
"We could go on forever,"said Ed wiping off the bar.
"I used to read Ring Magazine,"I said." Fleischer was always saying guys like Ketchel were better than Robinson."
"And Johnson could of handled Louis."
"And today?"said Ed."Fighters don't talk like that."
"I guess people who lived in the old days think everthing was better,"I said.
"Maybe someone like Mayweather will say in 20 years the fighters today could have kicked the crap out of anyone who's fighting then.
Ed drew me another draft.
"Say Ed,"I said. "Turn the TV back to womens' softball."
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